(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
PW[Matthew Cocke]PB[Matthew Macfadyen]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2002-09-22]GC[This game was relayed live on the KGS Go Server. 
At lunch time Guo Juan gave a commentary on the morning's play (the first 58 moves) and she then gave a live commentary during the afternoon.

This record started as a copy of the other KGS version of the record at lunch time, so this record contains a copy of all the morning's comments.
]EV[British Go Championship Title Match]RO[2]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]US[Tim Hunt]C[NOTE: This game record contains Guo Juan's comments. At lunch time she went over the morning's play, (the first 58 moves) and she in the afternoon she gave a live commentary.

This record started as a copy of the other KGS version of the record at lunch time, so this record contains a copy of all the morning's comments.

Because of the way the discussions happened, the first variation is not always the game move. I have tried to mark when this happened.

phenomene [2d?\]: hi BritChamp, thank you for broadcasting the game
BigDoug [24k?\]: yes, thanks very much
Evercat [?\]: Cheers Tim :)
minismurf [4d?\]: you can use the arrows here to step in the game also
guojuan [5p\]: ok let'sstart
]RE[B+Resign]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[minismurf [4d?\]: who is playing with the black smurfs?
]
;W[cd]CR[cd]C[phenomene [2d?\]: MacFadyen should be black
phenomene [2d?\]: he was white in the 1st game
BritChamp [?\]: Yes, MM black
Siberiak [4k\]: what is result 1st game?
]
;B[co]CR[co]C[phenomene [2d?\]: MacFadyen won by 12,5
Evercat [?\]: Macfadyen won...
freestone [1d\]: Matthew won :-)
Siberiak [4k\]: thx
BritChamp [?\]: Get player info on BritChamp, and look at the URL
cafard [7d\]: and who is white ?
]
;W[qp]CR[qp]C[BigDoug [24k?\]: i'm only a beginner, but do many openings start with the first move for black?
phenomene [2d?\]: black likes outside corner moves at the beginning
Evercat [?\]: Matthew Cocke 5d
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]C[cafard [7d\]: who is the commentator ?
phenomene [2d?\]: you :)
voldemort [-\]: you, cafard :)
phenomene [2d?\]: guo juan will comment this afternoon
phenomene [2d?\]: they have 3 hours each, so it is a long game
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Muttley [3k\]: Matthew Cocke is Black?
phenomene [2d?\]: no Mut
Muttley [3k\]: lol
phenomene [2d?\]: just the opposite, he is white :)
cafard [7d\]: r10
Muttley [3k\]: I was close
]
;B[pc]CR[pc]C[MacNala [16k\]: This game record is going to be interesting
phenomene [2d?\]: 4 shimari?
Muttley [3k\]: F17
Muttley [3k\]: K17
Muttley [3k\]: looks like Shusaku - Ota Yuzo game
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[cafard [7d\]: k3
Muttley [3k\]: allowing black two shimari, no komi games
cafard [7d\]: k3 is mandatory
aussiemate [9k\]: who is which colour stone?
nakade [4d\]: Hello to all the UK players from Richard Hunter in Japan
aussiemate [9k\]: hi Rich
phenomene [2d?\]: k3 direction at least, maybe k4 for o5 follow-up
PHiddink [6k\]: hello 
BigDoug [24k?\]: macfayden is black, matthew cocke is white
cafard [7d\]: b can kakari, but he has to finish with sente
Muttley [3k\]: Hey Richard!
museone [7d?\]: or k4
cafard [7d\]: because if he permits w k3, game will be difficult for him
nakade [4d\]: Hi Muttley
]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[Muttley [3k\]: white can tenuki?
phenomene [2d?\]: high moves, this is black style
guojuan [5p\]: all normal
]
;W[df]CR[df]C[aussiemate [9k\]: w can always tenuki
museone [7d?\]: I think so, mut
aussiemate [9k\]: not always a good idea, though
phenomene [2d?\]: no f16 is a bit of a kikashi
tinhore [3d\]: who is playing?
Muttley [3k\]: Matthew McFaddyen - Matthew Cocke
aussiemate [9k\]: the 2 English Matthews
Muttley [3k\]: 1st Game, Brit Ch.
phenomene [2d?\]: 2d game
tinhore [3d\]: b? w?
Muttley [3k\]: is it?
Muttley [3k\]: oh well
aussiemate [9k\]: MacFadyean 
Muttley [3k\]: who won first.
]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[phenomene [2d?\]: 1st game wasn't broadcasted
aussiemate [9k\]: and Croke
cafard [7d\]: hehe
aussiemate [9k\]: at last K3
cafard [7d\]: c10 now :)
tinhore [3d\]: these are top 2 players of british?
Muttley [3k\]: if you don't count Muttley
Muttley [3k\]: yes  ;-)
Muttley [3k\]: interesting actually watching a game at this pace
Evercat [?\]: Not quite... but the championship isn't necessarily the top 2
cafard [7d\]: too slow :)
phenomene [2d?\]: they play too fast for the time limits
Cirrion [16k\]: it gives time to speculate
Muttley [3k\]: but we get to think about more about the reasons for these moves
aussiemate [9k\]: a bit rapid, compared to professionals
Muttley [3k\]: pros play 3 hr games, aussie
cafard [7d\]: i bet on c10
aussiemate [9k\]: this is a 3 hour game
phenomene [2d?\]: c10 is commensense, agree
]
;W[id]CR[id]C[Cirrion [16k\]: thez seem to be plazing fairly low
Muttley [3k\]: lol
cafard [7d\]: of, if pheno agree with, it should be a bad move :)
Muttley [3k\]: because this is a big decision, Cirrion
cafard [7d\]:  see, they don't play 2d move :)
Muttley [3k\]: whether to disturb the flow of the game or not
phenomene [2d?\]: I hadn't the time to say a pincer was attractive too :)
]
(;B[ff]CR[ff]C[aussiemate [9k\]: i think J16 is correct
Cirrion [16k\]: why would a high move disturb the flow?
aussiemate [9k\]: but I am only a 9k ^_^
Muttley [3k\]: Separating stones
Muttley [3k\]: now white has two separated groups
Muttley [3k\]: with open skirt for top left shimari
Muttley [3k\]: sort of
aussiemate [9k\]: and W doesn't have 2 separated groups?
Muttley [3k\]: (this is, of course, a 30k's view of things)
phenomene [2d?\]: c10 still available :)
Muttley [3k\]: white is the one with the separated groups  :-)
PHiddink [6k\]: this is like watching a movie with your buddies this is very cool
BigDoug [24k?\]: what do you think was the point of J16 instead of C10?
guojuan [5p\]: feels a bit heavy
guojuan [5p\]: do you read me?
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, sure :)
cafard [7d\]: yes :)
museone [7d?\]: yes
LazyDog [11k\]: BritChamp is back
BritChamp [?\]: Game about to restart.
guojuan [5p\]: good
guojuan [5p\]: we just work here first then see their game ok
]
;W[dh]CR[dh]C[aussiemate [9k\]: exactly
Muttley [3k\]: to disrupt black's development
Muttley [3k\]: so playing the hasami is a big decision
Muttley [3k\]: Cirrion  :-)
aussiemate [9k\]: could not allow B at K18
phenomene [2d?\]: l16 now?
Muttley [3k\]: cafard?
cafard [7d\]: yes ?
minismurf [4d?\]: k18?
Muttley [3k\]: next white move please  :-)
Muttley [3k\]: lol
cafard [7d\]: j14
Muttley [3k\]: or black
cafard [7d\]: b j14
aussiemate [9k\]: M16
cafard [7d\]: b should take sente to play  c10
cafard [7d\]: m16 is wrong direction
Muttley [3k\]: forcing white to play J14 is not a good idea, is it?
Muttley [3k\]: drive towards thickness .....
BigDoug [24k?\]: b G12?
Muttley [3k\]: J16 is not a Shusaku move, imho
cafard [7d\]: the natural flow is : B j14, w M17, B c10
phenomene [2d?\]: f16 wasn't Shusaku too, Mutt :)
Muttley [3k\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: Ota Yuzo is black  ;-)
Muttley [3k\]: or white  ^_^
phenomene [2d?\]: black is more in his style
phenomene [2d?\]: and white in Shusaku's
Muttley [3k\]: mmmmm
Muttley [3k\]: hmmmmm
BigDoug [24k?\]: could black play something around N14 to keep white boxed in and separated?
int0x21 [12k\]: who is black and who is white ?
minismurf [4d?\]: n14?
minismurf [4d?\]: wow!
phenomene [2d?\]: n14 would be a very vague move
Muttley [3k\]: capping is the natural move, Doug
phenomene [2d?\]: no effect on the opponent
BigDoug [24k?\]: sorry, these are 24k ideas 8-)
Muttley [3k\]: don't apologies, we all learn by asking questions
minismurf [4d?\]: n14 doesn't make any territory
minismurf [4d?\]: and it doesn't attack
Muttley [3k\]: R12 might be a consideration
cafard [7d\]: who bet on my j14 ?
BigDoug [24k?\]: yes, that's very true.  thanks for the advice
BigDoug [24k?\]: i haven't quite mastered keeping sente yet 8-)
Muttley [3k\]: but forcing white to strengthen, probably bad
xor [3k\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: lol
]
(;B[ld]CR[ld]C[Evercat [?\]: doh
BigDoug [24k?\]: uh oh, tea break
cafard [7d\]: ah
Honte [13k\]: i would like an extension towards c10 or somewhere around
phenomene [2d?\]: so bad direction? :)
Muttley [3k\]: over concentrated
cafard [7d\]: ask guo this afternoon :)
Muttley [3k\]: lol
cafard [7d\]: F16 and f14 will have trouble now
Muttley [3k\]: J14?
phenomene [2d?\]: guo says : to have an weak group alone is not funny, so pincer and creat a weak group for your opponent too
Cirrion [16k\]: hm, I had wondered about N16 but wJ14 looks nice now
aussiemate [9k\]: did i say M 14 or didn't I?
cafard [7d\]: yes, b played a 9k move :)
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, good
cafard [7d\]: here we have questions
cafard [7d\]: is j14 better ?
cafard [7d\]:  to take sente to play c10 ?
]
(;W[if]CR[if]C[Muttley [3k\]: the case for the prosecution rests, aussiemate  ;-)
Hu [9k\]: I resemble that remark, cafard ^^
phenomene [2d?\]: cafard, I think c10 is no longer so attractive, so I disagree with your j14 direction
aussiemate [9k\]: now, of course, J14 is the only move
BigDoug [24k?\]: aussie, did you see that collingwood made the grand final?  the world is a better place for it
cafard [7d\]: c10 is very big
Muttley [3k\]: but black does not get to play it
cafard [7d\]: double extension/double wings formation
phenomene [2d?\]: but white's c16 group is storng now
guojuan [5p\]: but here I think white should walk faster
cafard [7d\]: ok
guojuan [5p\]: when two groups running together to the center, one should try run faster than the other
]
;B[fh]CR[fh]C[Muttley [3k\]: Mind you, black does take strategic risks
phenomene [2d?\]: now c10 and j12 are miai for black, aren't they?
pdcawley [8k\]: Any idea who is who?
Muttley [3k\]: scroll up
voldemort [-\]: they are Matthew
aussiemate [9k\]: Matthew MacFadyean is Black
pdcawley [8k\]: it fell off the buffer.
BigDoug [24k?\]: by following black on both sides, does the J16 group do much for whilte?
Evercat [?\]: Black - Matthew Macfadyen 6d (reigning champ) White - Matthew Cocke 5d
aussiemate [9k\]: British Champion
pdcawley [8k\]: Ta.
aussiemate [9k\]: 6 dane
Muttley [3k\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: quite a party
aussiemate [9k\]: Matthew Croke is White 5 dan
]
;W[ih]CR[ih]C[crux [8k\]: britchamp, i hope you will save this game in your info?  i have to leave soon(ish)...
freestone [1d\]: Cocke, not croke
cafard [7d\]: f16, f14, F1é are dame moves
aussiemate [9k\]: thanx
LazyDog [11k\]: Do either of them play on KGS?
cafard [7d\]: j16, j1' j1é controlled the center
Muttley [3k\]: when did the UK change to 6.5 komi?
Evercat [?\]: it's 5.5 isn't it?
Muttley [3k\]: check the game info
museone [7d?\]: w has better off
phenomene [2d?\]: hey, you're becoming quite convincing, cafard :)
BigDoug [24k?\]: is b D9 a possibility now?
cafard [7d\]: t''es d'accord avec moi maintenant ?
phenomene [2d?\]: sur le coup des dame, oui
phenomene [2d?\]: mais j14 ça reste un peu mou je toruve
aussiemate [9k\]: o dear
Evercat [?\]: ah it really is 6.5
aussiemate [9k\]: those frogs are croaking again
cafard [7d\]: j14 est un coup de pro :)
BigDoug [24k?\]: i knew that i should have paid more attention in the italian classes
museone [7d?\]: j14 is normal
Muttley [3k\]: white wants to keep black weak
Gabriel [10k\]: vic1000 is online . if we get him , we can kick guo over board ;) just kidding :)
cafard [7d\]: b has no choice now :  f10, inducing  W c9
minismurf [4d?\]: but macfayden knew all of this when playing M16
minismurf [4d?\]: he must have some kind of plan
MacNala [16k\]: so what comes after is more important
touyo [15k\]: when can Black play c17?
aussiemate [9k\]: did not want W to play there
PHiddink [6k\]: the weakest group on the board is f12 group isnt it?
wicket [1k\]: yeah got to remember MM isn't actually a 9k :)
]
(;B[ei]CR[ei]C[wicket [1k\]: he'll have had a reason for m16
aussiemate [9k\]: wot's wrong with 9k?
pdcawley [8k\]: /me has played MM a couple of times... I *never* know what's going on.
Honte [13k\]: Soooo Kageyama...^^ LITFOG
LazyDog [11k\]: Leaning attack to build momentum?
BigDoug [24k?\]: wD11, bH10?
Muttley [3k\]: white has an ocean to the right
guojuan [5p\]: don't really like this move
guojuan [5p\]: I understood that he may wants to turn the 'head' in the center
]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
(;B[dk]CR[dk]C[minismurf [4d?\]: white will cap at J10?
minismurf [4d?\]: is this a MM move?
minismurf [4d?\]: i mean, black
Cirrion [16k\]: MM being?
crux [8k\]: mm == mymaster :-)
aussiemate [9k\]: Black
minismurf [4d?\]: mm is the black player :)
Hu [9k\]: MM = Cornel Burzo too
aussiemate [9k\]: W d7?
aussiemate [9k\]: or is that a bit dangerous?
Muttley [3k\]: here, MM = Matthew McFaddyen
aussiemate [9k\]: i only ask as a 9ker
Cirrion [16k\]: wG11?
aussiemate [9k\]: good point
Muttley [3k\]: shoulder hit is interesting- ambitious, looks to me
BigDoug [24k?\]: wD10, bE10, wE17?
MacNala [16k\]: I think W will play on the right around o13
minismurf [4d?\]: but allowing b c9 seems silly?
aussiemate [9k\]: Q13?
Cirrion [16k\]: if wC9 bH11 or so?
museone [7d?\]: c9, and j9
]
(;W[ip]CR[ip]C[aussiemate [9k\]: remember "the good point and the bad point are next to esch other"
MacNala [16k\]: oooh?
cafard [7d\]: very good
aussiemate [9k\]: Ancient Go proverb
phenomene [2d?\]: big extension from j12 :-)
Cirrion [16k\]: I was only 9 intersections off the mark .)
aussiemate [9k\]: not bad for a beginner
touyo [15k\]: W C10, B D10, W E9, Black wants to play D7?
Muttley [3k\]: in that case, Cirrion, pick K10 next time  :-)
Muttley [3k\]: always be pretty close
PHiddink [6k\]: hi bigdoug
BigDoug [24k?\]: g'day P
phenomene [2d?\]: j4 is very nice, hard to deal with it
aussiemate [9k\]: K4
phenomene [2d?\]: destroying black moyo in advance
Muttley [3k\]: Shuko style
int0x21 [12k\]: who is white and who is black ?
child [6k\]: what if b simply ignores
minismurf [4d?\]: 2 hours time limit would be better :)
BigDoug [24k?\]: macfayden black, cocke white
Muttley [3k\]: J3 is something?
int0x21 [12k\]: thanks
museone [7d?\]: k4
Evercat [?\]: if black ignires then isn't white J4 good?
phenomene [2d?\]: then j3 is very big, j4 shoulder hit can't be ignored
aussiemate [9k\]: come on
aussiemate [9k\]: i said that first ^_^
]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[io]CR[io]C[aussiemate [9k\]: now what is good shape for B in this situation?
Hu [9k\]: Aussiemate gets the prize for K4.
phenomene [2d?\]: h2
]
;B[jo]CR[jo]
;W[in]CR[in]C[aussiemate [9k\]: L7?
]
(;B[hr]CR[hr]C[cafard [7d\]: fanfan ne vient pas?
phenomene [2d?\]: il joue
cafard [7d\]: ah
museone [7d?\]: k6
aussiemate [9k\]: just looks a bit low
child [6k\]: w got 2 weak groups now?
cafard [7d\]: c9 first
BigDoug [24k?\]: given that black's lower left looks solid, is there a point to the white wall at J4?
phenomene [2d?\]: k6 is worth a thousand gold pieces :)
aussiemate [9k\]: L7 is better, i think
child [6k\]: ah magic comes into play
minismurf [4d?\]: L7 is not better
MacNala [16k\]: with B n4 to follow
freestone [1d\]: j4 group stops B getting a bit territory, BigDoug
Hu [9k\]: K6 looks nice.
minismurf [4d?\]: L7 leaves bad aji
aussiemate [9k\]: for B that is
aussiemate [9k\]: if W allows him
minismurf [4d?\]: oh
minismurf [4d?\]: and why would w allow that :)
aussiemate [9k\]: which he wont
minismurf [4d?\]: :))
cafard [7d\]: w k6 promising
aussiemate [9k\]: yes
aussiemate [9k\]: has to prevent my move
ericboesch [4k\]: BigDoug, playing j4 next to a stone at k3 is not meant to take territory, it is meant to keep black's territory from getting too big
child [6k\]: if w c9 then b k6?
minismurf [4d?\]: black will win by 10 points anyway? :)
BigDoug [24k?\]: i see.  thanks to you and free
aussiemate [9k\]: have you counted?
minismurf [4d?\]: what is macfayden's strong side?
cafard [7d\]: in this game, b's territory maxi 40 points :)
phenomene [2d?\]: fight
cafard [7d\]: b has no more potential
]
(;W[ej]CR[ej]C[BigDoug [24k?\]: can black play at G9 to threaten the cut, then move down to G7 and get a big bite of territory?
phenomene [2d?\]: oh, is this reasonable?
BigDoug [24k?\]: oops, sorry, not anymore 8-)
xor [3k\]: this looks fun
minismurf [4d?\]: g9 is ajikeshi again
minismurf [4d?\]: would just help black fix
touyo [15k\]: Of course Matthew is strong in fighting.  But he's a planner, too.  The play at E11 means he's thinking about the lower right corner.
aussiemate [9k\]: fight, fight ^_^
phenomene [2d?\]: white had a good game, isn't he creating several weak groups in his position?
cafard [7d\]: d11 will be fun :)
Muttley [3k\]: not really
fdevolder [15k\]: waht is ajikeshi ?
fdevolder [15k\]: what
cafard [7d\]: when you eat garlic
aussiemate [9k\]: i think K5 was a mistake
cafard [7d\]:  you have ajikeshi
phenomene [2d?\]: aji keshi = erasing potential
museone [7d?\]: d11
Agahim [17k\]: *laugh*
minismurf [4d?\]: the proverb says that you should cut when you can, not peep
Muttley [3k\]: D11 starts the complications
Muttley [3k\]: museone?
Muttley [3k\]: I don't see a simple solution after that
BigDoug [24k?\]: D11 threatens the cut at C11 doesn't it?
aussiemate [9k\]: ?
museone [7d?\]: yes
touyo [15k\]: White is interested in getting the D17 point ...
museone [7d?\]: black is behind
cafard [7d\]: yes, because m16 :)
museone [7d?\]: so fighting is welcome I think
Muttley [3k\]: yes
minismurf [4d?\]: how much behind would you estimate?
cafard [7d\]: 10++
museone [7d?\]: can't estimate exactly
aussiemate [9k\]: 32.5 points ^_^
minismurf [4d?\]: that is why it's called estimate, because it's not exact :)
BigDoug [24k?\]: is it too early for black to play at D17 now?
aussiemate [9k\]: score est. says
museone [7d?\]: but black has no big potential
PHiddink [6k\]: looks like all the big guys at KGS are here
minismurf [4d?\]: just the french gang really
minismurf [4d?\]: ;)
Evercat [?\]: Black's got to deal with this business at D10-ish now Doug I think
phenomene [2d?\]: black is very strong at fighting, white shouldn't start a fight when ahead imho
minismurf [4d?\]: but what after D11?
guojuan [5p\]: I would not dare to play like this
Muttley [3k\]: with Tim entering moves at computer
PHiddink [6k\]: 71 there 58 here
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[di]CR[di]C[minismurf [4d?\]: so the cut was overplay?
]
(;B[hg]CR[hg]C[BigDoug [24k?\]: my only concern is that his group may need to create life for his F16 group soon
cafard [7d\]: h13 is a thank you move for white :)
phenomene [2d?\]: inside peep
cafard [7d\]: another dame
phenomene [2d?\]: maybe it is needed
Agahim [17k\]: Hey Cafard and Muse, what's your rl rankings?
Muttley [3k\]: no, phenomene
minismurf [4d?\]: in any case white must connect
Muttley [3k\]: coffee is needed
touyo [15k\]: Black is aming at f9
maze [?\]: is that a dog/horse face?
cafard [7d\]: what to think here?
Muttley [3k\]: Nessie
cafard [7d\]: j13 is necessary
Muttley [3k\]: Dog is O16
Muttley [3k\]: Horse is N16
crux [8k\]: is that charles typing as touyo?
Muttley [3k\]: Nessie is M16
phenomene [2d?\]: white is like Cho Chikun, thinkng hard when the move is obvious, then lose because of time :)
touyo [15k\]: yup
museone [7d?\]: j13 is a normal move
crux [8k\]: get a real account and play with us some time :)
touyo [15k\]: again?
PHiddink [6k\]: after j13 b at f10?
touyo [15k\]: no, f9 and squeeze
phenomene [2d?\]: f9 seems better than f10
Muttley [3k\]: H13 does prevent the white stone from escaping North
BigDoug [24k?\]: why do you think that white is taking so long on this move?  smoke break?
aussiemate [9k\]: i'm falling asleep
maze [?\]: why don't they update the clock?
freestone [1d\]: Maybe Tim fell asleep :-)
Muttley [3k\]: because E10 is important
pdcawley [8k\]: aussiemate: You should have been watching the Kisei game in London...
PHiddink [6k\]: this is six hour game
aussiemate [9k\]: must have stopped for a cup of tea
touyo [15k\]: No point losing before lunch
minismurf [4d?\]: but b J13 would ruin the white position
LazyDog [11k\]: lol
phenomene [2d?\]: he msut be thinking about what happens *after* j13
Muttley [3k\]: rather than what happened before?
pdcawley [8k\]: presumably quite a few moves after...
cafard [7d\]: that is b's concern, not white :)
minismurf [4d?\]: he should have been thinking about that before playing E10 :)
phenomene [2d?\]: you mean he may ask for undo, Mutt?
PHiddink [6k\]: w has three floating groups to take care of
xor [3k\]: after f9 white can play c9 in sente and then k6
Muttley [3k\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: why isn't the time changing?
Hu [9k\]: Demo game.
BigDoug [24k?\]: i'm not sure if it changes during a demonstration game
aussiemate [9k\]: net lag is a bore
Muttley [3k\]: ok
minismurf [4d?\]: i am starting to feel that white won't answer :)
aussiemate [9k\]: if that is what it is
Hu [9k\]: Possibly the pacing of moves made here does not reflect the real-time.
aussiemate [9k\]: W will answer after the second cup of tea
maze [?\]: yes, the observer went for lunch already
aussiemate [9k\]: i think Hu is right
aussiemate [9k\]: as usual
BigDoug [24k?\]: could white play at O14?
minismurf [4d?\]: so, where would you play if you don't answer at J13?
phenomene [2d?\]: j13 only :)
aussiemate [9k\]: i was thinking the same thing myself ^_^
museone [7d?\]: I think black come to separate two white groups j14 and j5, black could win.
cafard [7d\]: j 13 :)
maze [?\]: How about N14  or f7?
aussiemate [9k\]: only move 10 mins ago
Agahim [17k\]: *yawn*
cafard [7d\]: this game should be prohibited to kyu players;  they will have bad habit not answering kikashi
minismurf [4d?\]: well, if you are playing this special variant of go where your opponent can chooes one point you can't play...
museone [7d?\]: nothing els than j13
minismurf [4d?\]: and he chose J13
minismurf [4d?\]: :-)
aussiemate [9k\]: they are up to move 60 by now
MacNala [16k\]: how many moves ahead can you read in 10 minutes
museone [7d?\]: maybe w is smoking
eon [6k?\]: not answering kikashi good habit for kyu players
BigDoug [24k?\]: <slow clap>
cafard [7d\]: eon !
aussiemate [9k\]: ^_^
minismurf [4d?\]: too many go players are smokers :(
aussiemate [9k\]: they are rapidly losing me
eon [6k?\]: cafard!
BigDoug [24k?\]: this is like watching geoff boycott play go
cafard [7d\]: i not only smoke, i also dring, and use drug also
freestone [1d\]: Are you there, Tim?
MacNala [16k\]: then go yourself
aussiemate [9k\]: doe
guojuan [5p\]: was this neccessary?
cafard [7d\]: no
guojuan [5p\]: if white answers at J12, white becomes stronger outside
guojuan [5p\]: so if this is not necessary, we should not play
]
;W[ge]CR[ge]C[BritChamp [?\]: Sorry
Hu [9k\]: British Telecom?
BigDoug [24k?\]: <passes around hat to help with ISP bill>
BritChamp [?\]: Back now
phenomene [2d?\]: wow
PHiddink [6k\]: hooray
aussiemate [9k\]: aha
Evercat [?\]: is game up to date?
eon [6k?\]: answering kikashi with kikashi :)
minismurf [4d?\]: i warned you :)
minismurf [4d?\]: if black answers he will play H12 i think
BritChamp [?\]: FYI, both players have used 30 min
Muttley [3k\]: if white did not reply, eon .....
maze [?\]: looks like two dogs sneefing one another :)
Folo [?\]: im new to this game
guojuan [5p\]: too much risk
cafard [7d\]: which move is overplay?
Folo [?\]: how does it work?
]
(;B[hf]CR[hf]C[aussiemate [9k\]: time is still not moving
phenomene [2d?\]: time doesn't move in demo ganes
aussiemate [9k\]: did for a while
cafard [7d\]: kyu players, close yours eyes pls :)
MacNala [16k\]: no way to do that in a relayed game
minismurf [4d?\]: would be pretty embarrasing to run out of time in a demo game :)
BigDoug [24k?\]: it was like that when the game started
Hu [9k\]: W F15?
cafard [7d\]:  else you'll lose somes ranks when watchning this game
LazyDog [11k\]: :^)
BigDoug [24k?\]: could someone explain the last two moves to a poor student of go please?
LazyDog [11k\]: Shout when I can open them again
minismurf [4d?\]: no bigdoug, they are indefensible
eon [6k?\]: but you gain more ranks once you figure out which kikashi are real kikashi :)
minismurf [4d?\]: but it is mostly a matter of the e10 stone
minismurf [4d?\]: and black playing f9 i think
Hu [9k\]: Yes BigDoug.  They are enormously complicated moves. ^^
child [6k\]: g16 maybe?
PHiddink [6k\]: easy with typing pls
cafard [7d\]: white position at tom collapse in 2moves
cafard [7d\]: at top
]
;W[ig]CR[ig]C[touyo [15k\]: The problem with White threatening to cut at E15 is bad aji if he claims the top left corner.
BigDoug [24k?\]: b H15?
child [6k\]: what about 
PHiddink [6k\]: so many ppl type i am only able to read half of them
Muttley [3k\]: hmmmmmis
BigDoug [24k?\]: just pay attention to the comments with a "d" in the ranking 8-)
LazyDog [11k\]: INcrease the size of you text box
Muttley [3k\]: is G15 bait?
PHiddink [6k\]: thanks 
minismurf [4d?\]: touyo is also a dan Doug, just to make sure :)
PHiddink [6k\]: good advise bigdoug
cafard [7d\]: a pro is hiding among us, let ask him
aussiemate [9k\]: you can read my comments, though
BigDoug [24k?\]: ok aussie, reveal yourself and give us the answer
touyo [15k\]: I'm 3d, this is my son's account
aussiemate [9k\]: it's my secret
minismurf [4d?\]: great articles at Gobase too Charles :)
aussiemate [9k\]: and i'm keeping it that way
phenomene [2d?\]: yes, congrats for your series on ko fights, Charles
aussiemate [9k\]: all i will say is that G15 is a vital point
touyo [15k\]: thanks - even Jasiek liked one (out of 61)
aussiemate [9k\]: make what you like of that
phenomene [2d?\]: :)
minismurf [4d?\]: one article, one diagram? :)
aussiemate [9k\]: one move per diagram
]
;B[hi]CR[hi]C[aussiemate [9k\]: or maybe 2 at a pinch
touyo [15k\]: just the mathematics, I think
minismurf [4d?\]: heh
aussiemate [9k\]: W H15
phenomene [2d?\]: e10 may become useless, especially if white has two others weak groups to handle
cafard [7d\]: they both played strange moves
touyo [15k\]: Yes, why not Black f9, White f15, Black C17 ...
]
;W[he]CR[he]C[aussiemate [9k\]: wrong direction
aussiemate [9k\]: aha
aussiemate [9k\]: what did i say?
child [6k\]: w has some strange shape here
BigDoug [24k?\]: how about bF15, wJ8, bJ10, wG9 ?
freestone [1d\]: W is going to pull E10 out?
PHiddink [6k\]: letting d players talk would benefit all the kyu players 
]
(;B[ef]CR[ef]C[Folo [?\]: whats the object of the game?
guojuan [5p\]: Don't really like this shape
]
;W[de]CR[de]C[eon [6k?\]: d players just say we shouldn't watch
phenomene [2d?\]: everybody can comment I think
Folo [?\]: what is one supposed to do to win?
guojuan [5p\]: white is happy about this
BigDoug [24k?\]: folo, this is not an appropriate time
]
;B[ed]CR[ed]C[Gilles [1k\]: i agree !
LazyDog [11k\]: But please, dan players help us!
eon [6k?\]: b seems better
cafard [7d\]: help what ? :)
LazyDog [11k\]: Copious commetns
phenomene [2d?\]: it's hard to understand what the players are doing :)
pdcawley [8k\]: fighting.
touyo [15k\]: heavy ...
child [6k\]: the push at J11 maybe
cafard [7d\]: i know what they are doing
phenomene [2d?\]: my personal opinion is that with e10 and so on, white made the things difficukt for him
Muttley [3k\]: R13 ?
pdcawley [8k\]: What a surprise, tough complicated fight ina  game involving Matthew Macfadayen...
]
;W[fj]CR[fj]C[cafard [7d\]: they made a deal before a game : play strange move to make observers crazy
museone [7d?\]: amateur dan players r so weak in comparison with pros, so it doesn't help much
Muttley [3k\]: but so what, museone?
child [6k\]: ah now it gets even more complicated
phenomene [2d?\]: now, white has three weak groups
Muttley [3k\]: we all got to start somewhere, so the opinion of a player stronger than you is always interesting
cafard [7d\]: j16 is not a weak group pheno
museone [7d?\]: I understand
phenomene [2d?\]: not yet cafard :)
touyo [15k\]: If Black gets L7 and J10 the game is probably over.
Muttley [3k\]: I won't understand a pro's comments because i don't have that understanding
cafard [7d\]: b h12
Muttley [3k\]: welcome, of course, but all comments gratefully received  :-)
BigDoug [24k?\]: b J10 to separate the groups?
pdcawley [8k\]: BD: and sac h13/h14?
child [6k\]: i understand sometimes a little bit, but not in this game
Muttley [3k\]: cutting stone, child
Acro [10k\]: which player is which colour, if I may ask?
minismurf [4d?\]: macf black
Acro [10k\]: (Only just arrived)
guojuan [5p\]: yes, this is the move
Acro [10k\]: thanks 'smurf
phenomene [2d?\]: hi Acro
Acro [10k\]: hi pheno and everyone else
]
;B[gi]CR[gi]C[Muttley [3k\]: "capture the cutting stone"
BigDoug [24k?\]: is that a gote move?
aussiemate [9k\]: if you cam
LazyDog [11k\]: cafard had the right idea
phenomene [2d?\]: oh, fanfan is here, the French gang is complete now :)
child [6k\]: what is gote ?
Muttley [3k\]: depends whether white replies ....
minismurf [4d?\]: :) muttley
Muttley [3k\]: G9 is black's move?
Muttley [3k\]: yes, mini?
BigDoug [24k?\]: gote is a move which doesn't force the other player to make a response -- in effect, now the other player gains the initiative
minismurf [4d?\]: white must defend his 2 stones if he pulled them out in the first place
Muttley [3k\]: the danger is
minismurf [4d?\]: especially after black defends solidly
Muttley [3k\]: that they no longer affect the status of black;s groups
touyo [15k\]: White g8?
Muttley [3k\]: so pulling them out becomes small
cafard [7d\]: f8
Muttley [3k\]: f8 looks more like honte
BigDoug [24k?\]: how about K7 for white?
child [6k\]: but maybe b still eyeless?
aussiemate [9k\]: E8?
cafard [7d\]: BigDoug, stop proposing moves :)
Muttley [3k\]: I wondered that too, child
cafard [7d\]: you can asks on moves you don't understand :)
Muttley [3k\]: but look at the top
LazyDog [11k\]: Yes, you spoil tha game by giving away the answer
PHiddink [6k\]: bigdoug is okay but other kyu guysneed to go easy
aussiemate [9k\]: sorry
Muttley [3k\]: black must get at least one eye up there
heian [2d\]: kyu dont listen to them =)
BigDoug [24k?\]: my apologies
touyo [15k\]: White f8 aims at d8
child [6k\]: looks like 3 weak groups attacking 1 weak group
aussiemate [9k\]: and mine
cafard [7d\]: w has only 2 weak groups
aussiemate [9k\]: <bows>
cafard [7d\]:  j16 is a STRONG group
phenomene [2d?\]: "only" :)
LazyDog [11k\]: *grins*
phenomene [2d?\]: not so strong
touyo [15k\]: but the relation of f8 to white's three-stone wall isn't so good
cafard [7d\]:  i say it is strong :)
child [6k\]: hm why is J16 strong, looks eyeless to me
cafard [7d\]:  w can ignore 2 moves in this area and i alive
cafard [7d\]: is alive
phenomene [2d?\]: but after the fight with the two other groups, it may be weakened
touyo [15k\]: White g3 may be kikashi ...
cafard [7d\]: it "may" is another problem
child [6k\]: sigh, ok, i `ll take your word for it
Hu [9k\]: Please suspend chatter and let GuoJuan comment.
]
;W[el]CR[el]C[cafard [7d\]:  now , w has 2 weak groups, and b also
Muttley [3k\]: it may be aji keshi, touyo
]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[em]CR[em]C[cafard [7d\]: now, w has  no weak groups anymore 
domi [1k?\]: touyo :-)
cafard [7d\]: next w K10
domi [1k?\]: what about toyou ?
Evercat [?\]: remember touyo's the hidden 3d :)
]
;B[dm]CR[dm]C[cafard [7d\]: or w g 8
domi [1k?\]: where does this event take place please ?
touyo [15k\]: White j10 now?
Evercat [?\]: Milton Keynes
child [6k\]: or tengen first and then the turn
LazyDog [11k\]: Who's ahead on terriory and influence?
phenomene [2d?\]: see the web page, in Britchamp info, domi
cafard [7d\]: w
domi [1k?\]: pheno y a n f
fanfan [5d\]: K6 now
heian [2d\]: tahts what i was thinking ,but is it slow?
cafard [7d\]: if k6, b would g8
Evercat [?\]: we have guo juan :)
child [6k\]: :-)
]
(;W[hk]CR[hk]C[domi [1k?\]: she wants to study their style for the next tournament :-) 
touyo [15k\]: why?
child [6k\]: which is better J11 or J10?
eon [6k?\]: I'm sure she knows MM's style very well already :)
fanfan [5d\]: J9 :-)
touyo [15k\]: yes, in a seminar she used it a s a 'straw man' for two days ...
Evercat [?\]: hehe
domi [1k?\]: you must be right eon - there are not many english people watching at the game here
cafard [7d\]: only french people here :)
cafard [7d\]:  no german, no british :)
vlindertje [6k\]: hey a belgian too
phenomene [2d?\]: but at least one dutch :)
child [6k\]: bist du sicher?
Cirrion [16k\]: objection, your honour
Muttley [3k\]: et aussi .....
cafard [7d\]: child, you don't go for voting today ?
Muttley [3k\]: Le Chien do Go
child [6k\]: nope, still too young :-(
domi [1k?\]: :-)Mut ! how are you today ?
vlindertje [6k\]: oh t-yeah the german are voting
cafard [7d\]: k10
LazyDog [11k\]: I am British, and this is a lovely way to spend my lazy Sunday morning - thanks guys
fanfan [5d\]: kosumi is not a move
cafard [7d\]: k10 is not a kosumi
pdcawley [8k\]: LazyDog: Not marching in London then?
Cirrion [16k\]: yes, a nice sunday dinner and a game to watch while munching ....
LazyDog [11k\]: No, why?
LazyDog [11k\]: Should I watch the news?
kiwiPete [19k\]: forgive my ignorance, but does anyone have an advantage yet?
Muttley [3k\]: anti-Iraqwar demo?
pdcawley [8k\]: Nah. It's just a bunch of foxhunters.
cafard [7d\]: w
fanfan [5d\]: don't escape with a keima
child [6k\]: looks to me b has to get out somehow
domi [1k?\]: K10 is not possible, is it ? immediate cut no ?
eon [6k?\]: b needs to escape?
nakade [4d\]: I'm British, but I'm having dinner now in Japan
heian [2d\]: j11?
Chopin [15k?\]: I'm also a cheesehead
Chopin [15k?\]: And Bastaman also
PHiddink [6k\]: who said j9 is a cool play?
fanfan [5d\]: me
cafard [7d\]: bon, je vais voir les infos, a plus
PHiddink [6k\]: ok
Cirrion [16k\]: don't mention Japan... autumn must be coming now, *sigh*
phenomene [2d?\]: fanfan, explain j9 please
phenomene [2d?\]: this is not in my repertoire
fanfan [5d\]: i don't like J11 and J10
]
;B[ij]CR[ij]C[nakade [4d\]: yes the heat is over, thank goodness
domi [1k?\]: lol
phenomene [2d?\]: oh, this is not a move :)
child [6k\]: kosumi!
Cirrion [16k\]: where in Japan are you, Nakade?
nakade [4d\]: Tokyo
fanfan [5d\]: :-)
Cirrion [16k\]: ah... I was two years in Osaka .... August bloody awful each time :)
maze [?\]: Quem fala portuguese
child [6k\]: magari?
domi [1k?\]: remember even professional play bad moves pheno ;-))
LazyDog [11k\]: What is kosumi? Sorry.
phenomene [2d?\]: kosumi = diagonal move
fanfan [5d\]: a diagonal move
maze [?\]: diagonal connection
nakade [4d\]: yes, stay indoors and work hard in the airconditioning
LazyDog [11k\]: I don't understand wwhat you are syaing about j10\]
LazyDog [11k\]: Why is it *so* bad?
Cirrion [16k\]: air conditioning? :) the lab didnt have any
]
(;W[jl]CR[jl]C[phenomene [2d?\]: fanfan meant it was not  good shape I guess
fanfan [5d\]: J10 is a kosumi (a diagonal move), and i don't like this shape
LazyDog [11k\]: Thanks
child [6k\]: kind of double keima
touyo [15k\]: j10 is a bit shapeless - W has the points j12 and h9
Chopin [15k?\]: L10 for black!
LazyDog [11k\]: Thanks
Chopin [15k?\]: makes the group of j16 weak!
planar [5k\]: fanfan, you don't like keima and you don't like kosumi, is there any shape you like ?
phenomene [2d?\]: yes, j12 and h9 are alreday on the vital points of kosumi
fanfan [5d\]: nobi! :-)
fanfan [5d\]: nobi is the only move :-)
phenomene [2d?\]: fanfan likes sake bottle shape :-)
child [6k\]: the cut with J9 does not work?
fanfan [5d\]: but J11 was a nobi that i don't like
freestone [1d\]: If it comes to it, can Black live at the top?
guojuan [5p\]: but this move a too slow I think
]
;B[je]CR[je]C[fanfan [5d\]: the J9 cut doesn't cut
domi [1k?\]: fanfan, the fact you don't like is very interesting but why you don't like would be more interesting
phenomene [2d?\]: so, this is a strong group, cafard? :-)
kiwiPete [19k\]: who is black, and who is white?
fanfan [5d\]: i am looking for a reason :-)
kiwiPete [19k\]: oh, I see its MacFadyn black.  I think he will win :-)
domi [1k?\]: yes the J14 group is strong....for the moment
child [6k\]: J16 group somehow does not look that strong anymore, but hey what do i know
heian [2d\]: it isnt weak
PHiddink [6k\]: hey bigdoug dont be too quiet  your sage questions help all of us
phenomene [2d?\]: k16 before connecting?
fanfan [5d\]: w J15 is heavy
kiwiPete [19k\]: black seems better coordinated to me, but what do i know
fanfan [5d\]: w should be very relunctant to play J15
]
;W[jd]CR[jd]C[domi [1k?\]: heavy ? but what else ?
fanfan [5d\]: K16? :-)
phenomene [2d?\]: my move :)
domi [1k?\]: ;-))
child [6k\]: hm, b can`t cut yet
heian [2d\]: eventualyl he will have to play j15 tho
kiwiPete [19k\]: L15 now ?
child [6k\]: L15 now?
domi [1k?\]: who is the person typing the moves please ?
]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[ie]CR[ie]C[minismurf [4d?\]: but usually it is bad to get locked in like white did, no?
]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[lg]CR[lg]C[Evercat [?\]: It's Tim Hunt
LazyDog [11k\]: I have to go and find some food - bother. Thanks for all your comments and patience (especially phiddink). I will be back.
touyo [15k\]: Now Black just runs into White's framework
domi [1k?\]: Tim can you describe the atmosphere please ,
child [6k\]: should b run once more with N10?
PHiddink [6k\]: thank you lazydog
Muttley [3k\]: they are both drinking beer, domi
fanfan [5d\]: b N10 cannot be bad
fanfan [5d\]: tobi is never a bad move
phenomene [2d?\]: oh, we have found the shape fanfan likes :)
phenomene [2d?\]: tobi
heian [2d\]: nobi..tobi..there's a pattern there..
child [6k\]: thanks, at least i got it right once :-)
PHiddink [6k\]: hmm... nice comment tks
maze [?\]: tobi or not tobi is the question ?
utafahudh [1d\]: Who are playing?
guojuan [5p\]: what do you think about the situation?
cafard [7d\]: b better
touyo [15k\]: good for Black
eon [5k?\]: I like black
cafard [7d\]:  letting black splitting white group is that is good for him
cafard [7d\]: h9 is questio nnable
cafard [7d\]: may be better at k19
cafard [7d\]: k10
guojuan [5p\]: ok, I see more people prefer black
guojuan [5p\]: I think the game is still even
guojuan [5p\]: you are right
guojuan [5p\]: but if black doesn't profit from the closing stones, then it is ok
minismurf [4d?\]: ok
]
;B[li]CR[li]C[eon [6k?\]: we need titles for demo games
PHiddink [6k\]: lol maze
touyo [15k\]: ha - the ear point
child [6k\]: hm wrong again
minismurf [4d?\]: i guess we just found the shape mm likes :)
child [6k\]: this attacks white?
rcc [9k\]: m11 needed to prevent cut at k10?
touyo [15k\]: if Black just jumped, White's peep at 11 affects the chance of cutting
utafahudh [1d\]: yes (about title). I tried to find some info about the players, but couldn't find any.
guojuan [5p\]: severe attack
]
;W[lh]CR[lh]C[eon [6k?\]: b is Matthey McFadyen, w is Matthew Cocke
child [6k\]: try homepage
BigDoug [24k?\]: if black can play at O12, is white's group at J16 in danger of not having eyes?
vivo [?\]: M8?
BritChamp [?\]: For more background into, get player info on BritChamp, and look at the URL
heian [2d\]: m8 looks good
]
(;B[ll]CR[ll]C[vivo [?\]: ._)
fanfan [5d\]: the game looks good for b
eon [5k?\]: splitting attack
child [6k\]: wonder if w can leave the w group on the left
PHiddink [6k\]: w cant help that until it takes care of two weak groups i think
vivo [?\]: g3?
domi [1k?\]: what colour do you prefer ?
fanfan [5d\]: b
cafard [7d\]: back
Chopin [15k?\]: purple
child [6k\]: blanc?
fanfan [5d\]: blue
child [6k\]: beige?
Marcel [5d\]: rose
fanfan [5d\]: magenta
child [6k\]: brown?
fanfan [5d\]: caramel
phenomene [2d?\]: we really need Mrs Guo for comments :
phenomene [2d?\]: :)
thomas [3d\]: is o11 after this good for black still?
guojuan [5p\]: I believe this move played in a wrong direction
]
(;W[kn]CR[kn]C[PHiddink [6k\]: is Guo a she?
phenomene [2d?\]: yes
kiwiPete [19k\]: isn't white's entire group around H9 in danger?
domi [1k?\]: glups ? was not waiting for that move...
heian [2d\]: o11?
fanfan [5d\]: since we don't know how to play go, difficult to find an appropriate comment
minismurf [4d?\]: speak for yourself ;)
PHiddink [6k\]: oh pls
domi [1k?\]: what if B pushes into the shape
touyo [15k\]: White needed to take territory
fanfan [5d\]: yes :-)
child [6k\]: this b group seems to have grown too large to be attacked
freestone [1d\]: Can you explain -- territory where?
eon [5k?\]: w cannot attack
utafahudh [1d\]: I think b is better now. w has two weak groups, with b's now not-so-weak group inbetween
kiwiPete [19k\]: is K6 an option here?
touyo [15k\]: Upper right
minismurf [4d?\]: black will just take a big point?
BritChamp [?\]: Time used: MM(b) 60min, MC(w) 55min
minismurf [4d?\]: lunch break in just a few mins britchamp?
fanfan [5d\]: there is something at O16
Marcel [5d\]: MM/MC who are they?
utafahudh [1d\]: And w's right side is still very thin
PHiddink [6k\]: hey champ could you tell us about Mattew Cocke's style of playing?
child [6k\]: info at britchamp
Marcel [5d\]: thx
touyo [15k\]: Cocke is strong in the endgame
domi [1k?\]: stop always this "see the infos" style, we are human beings we can talk
maze [?\]: B is Matthey McFadyen 6d, W is Matthew Cocke 5d
minismurf [4d?\]: well, repeating 10 times who are playing is not very productive is it :)
child [6k\]: :-)
heian [2d\]: o11 looks too good to me.is it slow?
PHiddink [6k\]: agree minismurf
domi [1k?\]: question of communication smurf
LazyDog [11k\]: Tensions run high around the stadium
domi [1k?\]: maybe next time it will be better to create a different nick
PHiddink [6k\]: lol LazyDog
child [6k\]: the suspense is killing me
minismurf [4d?\]: nicks can only be 10 characters
minismurf [4d?\]: so hard to encode who is playing in nickname :)
domi [1k?\]: nicks are what wms wants they are no ?
vivo [?\]: isn't o11 driving black directly into the thin white group?
LazyDog [11k\]: Go = game of life, life is fun. Lets have fun today and leave the serious style in the joseki books
child [6k\]: and the audience is still growing
touyo [15k\]: Black has p4 etc to play as kikashi here
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, people skipped the boring fuseki and are turning up just in time for the interesting endgame :)
child [6k\]: maybe the shoulderhit looks interesting
domi [1k?\]: ;-)
GoVictim [20k\]: What is the dan rating of the players?
domi [1k?\]: what about Q3 ?
phenomene [2d?\]: 6d an d5d
child [6k\]: somewhere on the olympus
heian [2d\]: w is 5d,b is 6d
GoVictim [20k\]: Thanks
kiwiPete [19k\]: can someone explain why k6 with idea of L7 is a bad move?
Muttley [3k\]: libetires
kiwiPete [19k\]: or is that too stupid for explanation :-)
friede [1d\]: is not bad
Muttley [3k\]: liberties
utafahudh [1d\]: Why can't I browse through the game from the beginning with the editing tool?
BritChamp [?\]: Next move will be the sealed move for lunch.
heian [2d\]: because its a demo
phenomene [2d?\]: because it is a demo game
Muttley [3k\]: is the downsideblack plays moves that ta
GoVictim [20k\]: click view offline then you can
BigDoug [24k?\]: go to options, then view offline
Muttley [3k\]: ke away libertise of own group
LazyDog [11k\]: How long is lunch break?
utafahudh [1d\]: ah... thx
minismurf [4d?\]: so we don't get to see anymore moves before lunch then?
PHiddink [6k\]: man this is a full time work
domi [1k?\]: oh they have make a break now ?
Chopin [15k?\]: early lunch...
minismurf [4d?\]: are you cooking the lunch too Tim? :)
phenomene [2d?\]: haha
LazyDog [11k\]: Can I get hot dogs anywhere around here?
PHiddink [6k\]: no food allow in the room
domi [1k?\]: hot lazydogs ?
LazyDog [11k\]: :^)
deft [4d\]: Put a torch to Mutt and you'll have a hot dog
LazyDog [11k\]: Be nice to the dogs!
eon [5k?\]: I don't think you need a torch for that...
PHiddink [6k\]: uh uhhu
eon [5k?\]: a picture of Lassie should be enough ;-)
LazyDog [11k\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: mmm
guojuan [5p\]: here now
minismurf [4d?\]: there you go
gedh [5k\]: won't britchamp return and start playing the other game, though?
minismurf [4d?\]: well, guo can still explain the start of the game?
child [6k\]: maybe we `ll get a message then
ProJo [9k\]: where will the 2:nd game in britchamp be played?
minismurf [4d?\]: guo seems to be having some problems with the edit game window covering the board
gedh [5k\]: i usually get that due to having only a 15"monitor
LazyDog [11k\]: Needs a dual head system...
guojuan [5p\]: well i can minimize
gedh [5k\]: need to resize the game board window
guojuan [5p\]: and maximize whne needed
minismurf [4d?\]: can't you  "windowize"?
touyo [15k\]: This is the secong game.  Macfadyen won game 1.
eon [5k?\]: can't you resize?
guojuan [5p\]: so we may begin
ProJo [9k\]: ok
phenomene [2d?\]: ok, thanks for commenting, guo
child [6k\]: please teach us
LazyDog [11k\]: Thanks
thomas [3d\]: o11 still good here?
guojuan [5p\]: so what should I do now? just wait for the new moves or move to the other room?
minismurf [4d?\]: i can add the new moves if you like
cafard [7d\]: add new moves :)
touyo [15k\]: yes please
phenomene [2d?\]: oh, a live replay of the live replay then :)
child [6k\]: q11
]
;B[pi]CR[pi]C[guojuan [5p\]: nice move
]
(;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[mi]CR[mi]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
(;B[qi]CR[qi]C[guojuan [5p\]: can we review the game in the other room where they play?
]
;W[od]CR[od]C[Muttley [3k\]: current game position appears to verify that
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]C[Warp [24k?\]: I don't understand why white played O18 in the first place. He must have seen that after black reply at N15 the group is in big trouble?
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[semelis [4d\]: a delayed replay of the live replay :)
]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]C[minismurf [4d?\]: it is possible guo
minismurf [4d?\]: ask britgo to give you control
Muttley [3k\]: but you could only comment
phenomene [2d?\]: the pb is that in the other room, we must let Britchamp have the control
Muttley [3k\]: hmmm
minismurf [4d?\]: but it is hard to do relaying at the same time
Muttley [3k\]: then we would not see the game as it happened
Muttley [3k\]: not easy
Muttley [3k\]: demo board preferable
guojuan [5p\]: ok then we do it here
Olawi [1k\]: its better to have two separate boards
Muttley [3k\]: imho
semelis [4d\]: agree
cafard [7d\]: b played n15
minismurf [4d?\]: ok, now you can give it to guo :)
]
;B[me]CR[me]C[Muttley [3k\]: have two windows open here
cafard [7d\]: white is thinkiing
Muttley [3k\]: and now, this is where the game is at
domi [1k?\]: if everybody has the 2 windows, there is no problem
LazyDog [11k\]: Yes, just keep two windows open
guojuan [5p\]: so we should then let every body know that the comemtary is here
Muttley [3k\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: ok I need contrlo again
minismurf [4d?\]: you have it
freestone [1d\]: 70 here, 66 there
guojuan [5p\]: no, I don't have cntrol
minismurf [4d?\]: yes
minismurf [4d?\]: does it work now? :)
guojuan [5p\]: no :(
cafard [7d\]: try to give it to me, mini
cafard [7d\]: i have it
cafard [7d\]: done
Muttley [3k\]: pass the parcel ....
guojuan [5p\]: i'll leave the room and return
minismurf [4d?\]: ok
minismurf [4d?\]: better now?
minismurf [4d?\]: great :)
guojuan [5p\]: got it
guojuan [5p\]: so who is killing who ?
minismurf [4d?\]: white playe O14 next
cafard [7d\]: w played o14
minismurf [4d?\]: O14 O16 P10 is the game
guojuan [5p\]: this means white could not fight like this
minismurf [4d?\]: can you should w o15?
]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]C[phenomene [2d?\]: s13 r8 missing
Muttley [3k\]: black O8/white S13 exchange took place
minismurf [4d?\]: sorry, let me correct it
guojuan [5p\]: I wait
]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is dead
domi [1k?\]: playing N15 instead connection at O18 was not more natural ?
cafard [7d\]: o18 seems overplay
guojuan [5p\]: This result is really bad for whtie
guojuan [5p\]: lost many points
guojuan [5p\]: lost eye shape too
minismurf [4d?\]: would o18 at n15 have made up for that at all?
guojuan [5p\]: and damaged outside
micawber [?\]: 2 weak groups to defend
guojuan [5p\]: I think white is losing the game now
minismurf [4d?\]: want me to play the rest of the moves?
Muttley [3k\]: white played P10 now I think
guojuan [5p\]: yes
]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[ok]CR[ok]C[guojuan [5p\]: the problem for white here is that black is getting all the points
]
(;B[ql]CR[ql]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

minismurf [4d?\]: O8 is the game
guojuan [5p\]: so this is the move 
guojuan [5p\]: good move
guojuan [5p\]: a lot of points
]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[og]CR[og]C[Muttley [3k\]: O15
freestone [1d\]: o15
Muttley [3k\]: white now played
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]C[Muttley [3k\]: & black connected
eon [5k?\]: connect
minismurf [4d?\]: ok, i gave you control again
joachim [1d?\]: there is an exchange missing
guojuan [5p\]: ok
Muttley [3k\]: mini, you have missed out two moves
minismurf [4d?\]: hope it worked this time :)
Muttley [3k\]: hold on
minismurf [4d?\]: no, O8 S13 exchange was played
minismurf [4d?\]: the other line is the game
]
;B[md]CR[md]C[cafard [7d\]: yes,  lack o8
]
;W[oe]CR[oe]C[Muttley [3k\]: you are showing this without the exchange deliberately?
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[guojuan [5p\]: maybe this is white's plan?
minismurf [4d?\]: guo, the exchange O8 S13 was played
guojuan [5p\]: oh, should I just wait for your moves
minismurf [4d?\]: this is the mistake i made first
guojuan [5p\]: I wait ok
minismurf [4d?\]: no, i entered it
])
(;B[nl]CR[nl]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

guojuan [5p\]: ok, this was the mistake
Muttley [3k\]: white played P12 after this
]
(;W[rg]CR[rg]C[minismurf [4d?\]: that's a pretty big problem :)
guojuan [5p\]: I see
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, this is the game, sorry about the confusion
]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[ko]CR[ko]C[Muttley [3k\]: that's better
]
;B[og]CR[og]C[minismurf [4d?\]: this line is the game
minismurf [4d?\]: black exchanged O8 for S13 before playing R8
guojuan [5p\]: so this is the game?
Muttley [3k\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: A severe attack
Muttley [3k\]: sorry, not P12
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[md]CR[md]C[minismurf [4d?\]: ok
Muttley [3k\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: let's see what can white do now
Muttley [3k\]: then P12 black R13
Muttley [3k\]: white played R14, black Q14
Muttley [3k\]: and ko
minismurf [4d?\]: they are playing too fast :)
]
(;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[minismurf [4d?\]: here is the current state
guojuan [5p\]: so how is the game now?
minismurf [4d?\]: i can take the game up to date again if you like
guojuan [5p\]: a tesuji
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[of]CR[of]C[guojuan [5p\]: at least something for white to do now
guojuan [5p\]: when we are behind, the only thing we should do is to make the game as difficult as possible 
minismurf [4d?\]: so what ko threats does white have?
guojuan [5p\]: like what white is doing now is very goood.
guojuan [5p\]: p17 is a big one
]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[eon [5k?\]: it doesn't turn out very well
]
(;W[pk]CR[pk]C[minismurf [4d?\]: there you go
eon [5k?\]: b connected
fiddle [2k\]: there is more
cafard [7d\]: they connected the ko
]
;B[pg]CR[pg]C[guojuan [5p\]: oh this is no good for whit
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[mh]CR[mh]C[Muttley [3k\]: terrible
guojuan [5p\]: yes, here is a cut
eon [5k?\]: w o13
colorwolf [?\]: thx, their rank?
]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[mf]CR[mf]C[Muttley [3k\]: then M14
minismurf [4d?\]: it seems like a one way street
minismurf [4d?\]: and the street is painted black :)
guojuan [5p\]: so the game played till here?
Muttley [3k\]: atari, connect, & white is still thinking
eon [5k?\]: m14 now
eon [5k?\]: then l14 and m15
]
;B[lf]CR[lf]C[Muttley [3k\]: and here they are
minismurf [4d?\]: here is the game right now
Muttley [3k\]: resignable game?
guojuan [5p\]: White is in a big danger
Muttley [3k\]: what is white to do?
Marcel [5d\]: Stalingrad!
phenomene [2d?\]: :)
Muttley [3k\]: dos vadanya!
guojuan [5p\]: very difficult to live first
minismurf [4d?\]: P17 seems like nothing now, black is so solid
guojuan [5p\]: and then outside is also broken :(
minismurf [4d?\]: 3 more
minismurf [4d?\]: 2 more
guojuan [5p\]: I wait
Muttley [3k\]: then white playes K11
cafard [7d\]: L14
phenomene [2d?\]: l14 m15 k11
eon [5k?\]: l14 now
]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[le]CR[le]C[phenomene [2d?\]: atari is played
]
(;W[kb]CR[kb]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

Muttley [3k\]: 6/5d
]
;B[la]CR[la]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[fb]CR[fb]C[Muttley [3k\]: that's a nasty move to have lurking in the woodwork ....
int0x21 [12k\]: yes thats it :)
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[deft [4d\]: I think W should resign...
guojuan [5p\]: big problem here too
colorwolf [?\]: who is playing, may i ask?
int0x21 [12k\]: mcfeyden or how his name is and uhm what was his name
eon [5k?\]: b is Matthew McFadyen, w is Matthew Cocke
])
(;W[ji]CR[ji]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

Muttley [3k\]: game
cafard [7d\]:  connect
eon [5k?\]: k10
Muttley [3k\]: J10
colorwolf [?\]: r19
]
;B[jj]CR[jj]C[Muttley [3k\]: lol
Muttley [3k\]: oops
Muttley [3k\]: sorry!
minismurf [4d?\]: ok, this is game
guojuan [5p\]: I wait for yes, connect is the best 
colorwolf [?\]: b better?
guojuan [5p\]: when we are leading so much like this, we should just connect everywhere :)\\
minismurf [4d?\]: guo, you have control, this is game right now
guojuan [5p\]: . no trouble
Muttley [3k\]: K18
]
;W[jb]CR[jb]C[colorwolf [?\]: h17?
guojuan [5p\]: now black should make sure that no aji on the top
minismurf [4d?\]: well, he lost first game 11.5, so maybe he is used to playing on when behind
]
(;B[jf]CR[jf]C[deft [4d\]: I don't understand why W is still playing, even if he is lucky and makes these stones live, the other big group dies -- and even if _that_ group also miraculously survives, he is still way behind...
guojuan [5p\]: very good move
guojuan [5p\]: take away the eye shape
Muttley [3k\]: white gets an eye ....
guojuan [5p\]: and make black safe too
Muttley [3k\]: ?
]
;W[kh]CR[kh]C[Muttley [3k\]: in the game, white has played L12
Muttley [3k\]: yes
minismurf [4d?\]: P15 is simple
guojuan [5p\]: Black shuld be careful 
semelis [4d\]: K13 first ?
Muttley [3k\]: white may make two eyes
deft [4d\]: just play P17 is more than enough
guojuan [5p\]: yes, p15 is a good move
colorwolf [?\]: yeah
colorwolf [?\]: p9 hasnt alive
eon [5k?\]: b played p15
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[fb]CR[fb]C[guojuan [5p\]: so the idea for black here is: white may live, as long as black get sente to play on the outside
Muttley [3k\]: F17
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]C[domi [1k?\]: is it the last game ?
minismurf [4d?\]: 2nd game, best of 5
minismurf [4d?\]: but white will hurt upper left while living too
]
;B[eb]CR[eb]C[guojuan [5p\]: you are right
guojuan [5p\]: oh, black wants more :)
child [6k\]: why not e17 instead of e18
domi [1k?\]: :-)
Sophist [11k\]: this is more aggressive, right?
guojuan [5p\]: E17 looks very good to me :)
guojuan [5p\]: I prefer e17
guojuan [5p\]: no problems
guojuan [5p\]: now more fight
fiddle [2k\]: Mc F likes fight
guojuan [5p\]: looks still difficult for white, but something to do at least :)
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, but what can white do?
minismurf [4d?\]: black maybe wants to force white to let black live in upper left?
]
(;W[gb]CR[gb]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

guojuan [5p\]: this is sente :)
Muttley [3k\]: white can L11?
]
(;B[ec]CR[ec]C[Muttley [3k\]: then J11?
]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[guojuan [5p\]: live
])
(;B[kb]CR[kb]C[guojuan [5p\]: kill?
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
(;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]CR[da]C[guojuan [5p\]: ha mistake
child [6k\]: wonder if w will find this
minismurf [4d?\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: why this is mistake?
Muttley [3k\]: very neat  :-)
]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[domi [1k?\]: guo and you see that before stones are placed I suppose ;-)
guojuan [5p\]: because of this b move
eon [5k?\]: w didn't find it :)
]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[be]CR[be]C[colorwolf [?\]: b q7?
minismurf [4d?\]: back to the game?
guojuan [5p\]: white is almost dead on the left side
guojuan [5p\]: yes, back to the game
])
(;W[db]CR[db]C[guojuan [5p\]: cut now
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[ca]CR[ca]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[guojuan [5p\]: black is dead :)
fiddle [2k\]: wow
])))
(;W[ec]CR[ec]C[NOTE: this IS the game.]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[Muttley [3k\]: J11
]
;W[ii]CR[ii]
;B[hj]CR[hj]C[eon [5k?\]: j11
child [6k\]: well g18 sente so w alive?
semelis [4d\]: white is hurting his groups around 
deft [4d\]: maybe W wants to leave it like this to play around Q6?
eon [5k?\]: is w alive yet?
guojuan [5p\]: white is trying to get sente
]
(;W[gb]CR[gb]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

guojuan [5p\]: well, this is the only move i believe
]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bc]CR[bc]C[colorwolf [?\]: b q7 man
]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[db]CR[db]C[deft [4d\]: Q7 is very big, so W would do well to get sente
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[guojuan [5p\]: possible sente
]
;B[jg]CR[jg]C[eon [5k?\]: w played k13
minismurf [4d?\]: white didn't find this either
eon [5k?\]: not g18
])
(;W[jg]CR[jg]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

guojuan [5p\]: but white lost sente by playing this move
eon [5k?\]: so black q7 now and game over?
]
(;B[pm]CR[pm]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

trubamolli [5k\]: I find it odd that W played this now
guojuan [5p\]: black should take sente now
guojuan [5p\]: leave the upper side for later
guojuan [5p\]: white would not have time to play there
phenomene [2d?\]: h17 is game
phenomene [2d?\]: instead of q7
])
(;B[hc]CR[hc]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

guojuan [5p\]: white should play at g18 now
minismurf [4d?\]: to threaten this killing sequence
Marcel [5d\]: then h18?
guojuan [5p\]: this move may cost his sente
]
;W[gb]CR[gb]C[pdcawley [8k\]: g18 h18 G19 in game now.
]
(;B[gd]CR[gd]C[NOTE: this is not the game.]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ic]CR[ic]C[guojuan [5p\]: alive
deft [4d\]: B will play H18
])
(;B[hb]CR[hb]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

child [6k\]: g18 h18 and?
]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ga]CR[ga]C[deft [4d\]: yes
minismurf [4d?\]: this is the game
eon [5k?\]: this is it, yes
guojuan [5p\]: should keep it for later
]
(;W[db]CR[db]C[NOTE: this is not the game.]
(;B[bb]CR[bb])
(;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[ca]CR[ca]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[guojuan [5p\]: black is dead
guojuan [5p\]: am I too fast?
deft [4d\]: I don't think B has seen this yet ;-)
eon [5k?\]: no, not too fast
deft [4d\]: if he had seen this, he wouldn't play H17
eon [5k?\]: too strong maybe :)
trubamolli [5k\]: the real game has advanced again
eon [5k?\]: b played h18
deft [4d\]: the game is proceeding along this line.,.
child [6k\]: he saw now :-)
]))
(;W[ia]CR[ia]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

Marcel [5d\]: j19?
guojuan [5p\]: so white didn't see the killing in the corner too :)
semelis [3d\]: white did not see D18
fiddle [2k\]: can still D18 next
minismurf [4d?\]: well, they are about same strength, so they will see about same things :)
pdcawley [8k\]: if white does kill black, does Q7 still sew things up for Black?
guojuan [5p\]: well, at least it would make white very happy if he kills the black corner
minismurf [4d?\]: :)
jerokfor [2d?\]: w should have play b17 shouldnt he?
eon [5k?\]: d18
child [6k\]: so b can live in the corner?
guojuan [5p\]: d18 first
minismurf [4d?\]: so what does black play now?
minismurf [4d?\]: B17?
guojuan [5p\]: now black should take sente again
]
(;B[pm]CR[pm]C[NOTE: this is not the game.
]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[be]CR[be]C[minismurf [4d?\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: white already spent a move at j19
eon [5k?\]: b played b16
phenomene [2d?\]: game is b b16
])
(;B[bd]CR[bd]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

guojuan [5p\]: one step slower
guojuan [5p\]: clever :)
]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[ha]CR[ha]C[guojuan [5p\]: he saw it now
guojuan [5p\]: finally
guojuan [5p\]: :)
minismurf [4d?\]: :)
minismurf [4d?\]: so now white is dead all over?
guojuan [5p\]: I think so :)
eon [5k?\]: guo, how easy is it for you to beat these players?
guojuan [5p\]: no body is easy to beat :)
eon [5k?\]: ok :)
LazyDog [11k\]: Must be big physcological advantage in their next game
int0x21 [12k\]: i succesfully beat myself today wasnt easy but i managed to build my oponents terertoy all fine
minismurf [4d?\]: macfayden has won for last few years though, no?
pdcawley [8k\]: Black has been British Go Champion for *years*.
minismurf [4d?\]: nobody is really expecting him to lose
guojuan [5p\]: is this the final match?
guojuan [5p\]: how many games they play?
guojuan [5p\]: three?
fraggy2 [12k?\]: best of five
pdcawley [8k\]: which has to be a big advantage all by itself.
Evercat [?\]: this is 2 of a possible 5
minismurf [4d?\]: 2nd in best of 5
guojuan [5p\]: I see
phenomene [2d?\]: this is 2d game, this is a best of 5
guojuan [5p\]: who did win the first one?
minismurf [4d?\]: macfayden has 1-0, won first game by 11.5
fraggy2 [12k?\]: black won the first
minismurf [4d?\]: (he is black here)
eon [5k?\]: white played f19
]
;W[fa]CR[fa]C[guojuan [5p\]: so now it will be 2-0 right?
minismurf [4d?\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: not easy to win all the three games
Warp [23k?\]: Everybody expects white to lose except white himself?-)
phenomene [2d?\]: MacFadyen may be by far the stronger player in UK since Zang Shutai stopped compete in the championship
guojuan [5p\]: take at e19
deft [4d\]: I think W also think he is going to lose
Warp [23k?\]: Then why does he continue?
hello [3d\]: guo, do you know Lee Haiou?
minismurf [4d?\]: you have control guo, but maybe there is nothing interesting anymore
guojuan [5p\]: white is trying to get sente at j17 and 18 to make an eye
guojuan [5p\]: black should make sure that his corner doesn't die
minismurf [4d?\]: b18 and moves like that are no danger?
guojuan [5p\]: I will stop soon
guojuan [5p\]: if black lives in the corner, and get sente, we stop the comemtary. Ok?
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]C[semelis [4d\]: b C18 now
minismurf [4d?\]: i think that's ok :)
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]C[fiddle [2k\]: thx for fascinating commentary
guojuan [5p\]: now white lives
Muttley [3k\]: excellent, thank you
pdcawley [8k\]: Maybe they're not sure if black's centre group has life yet?
minismurf [4d?\]: look at white right group pd
pdcawley [8k\]: Point.
deft [4d\]: maybe you can show why L17 now fails
deft [4d\]: it's not very obvious...
guojuan [5p\]: how did they play?
]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

domi [1k?\]: where is a possible eye for W ?
guojuan [5p\]: overplay
phenomene [2d?\]: game : k6 l7
]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ea]CR[ea]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[fa]CR[fa]
;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[ba]CR[ba]C[deft [4d\]: I know, but I'm sure not everyone saw this immediately...
]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
(;B[da]CR[da]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[minismurf [4d?\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: black is dead :)
])
(;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ad]CR[ad]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[bb]CR[bb]
(;B[kd]CR[kd])
(;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[aa]CR[aa]C[Muttley [3k\]: oop
]
;B[ca]CR[ca]
;W[ba]CR[ba]C[trubamolli [5k\]: game: B played o6
deft [4d\]: in the game, B did not protect, so the corner is unsettled...
guojuan [5p\]: short of liberty
])))
(;B[jn]CR[jn]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

colorwolf [?\]: why not q7
]
;W[km]CR[km]
;B[nn]CR[nn]C[phenomene [2d?\]: r7 now
guojuan [5p\]: safe 
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[eon [5k?\]: r6
phenomene [2d?\]: this is the game
guojuan [5p\]: let's count the points
minismurf [4d?\]: white upper side, 2 points :)
phenomene [2d?\]: 2+6,5+...
minismurf [4d?\]: black upper right 40
guojuan [5p\]: very good
Warp [23k?\]: White played Q7
minismurf [4d?\]: those 2 are about equal, so we cancel black top with white top :))
child [6k\]: w left 10?
]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[guojuan [5p\]: black should be careful with his big group in the center
deft [4d\]: W upper side is 6pt, because J18 captures 4 stones
]
;B[np]CR[np]C[guojuan [5p\]: black is leading by territory
guojuan [5p\]: but his group is not surely alive
guojuan [5p\]: white q7 was very good
]
;W[mj]CR[mj]C[fiddle [2k\]: w N10
guojuan [5p\]: they both see it
minismurf [4d?\]: that the group isn't safe?
guojuan [5p\]: black should just live and white has to kill
Muttley [3k\]: this is an entralling game
guojuan [5p\]: L8
minismurf [4d?\]: black
deft [4d\]: B played M10
guojuan [5p\]: you are right
]
(;B[kl]CR[kl]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

minismurf [4d?\]: but black atari and then O9 white lives easily also
]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
(;B[mq]CR[mq])
(;B[ki]CR[ki]C[guojuan [5p\]: sente :)
]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[guojuan [5p\]: game over
minismurf [4d?\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: did they play?
deft [4d\]: I think N10 was not really good
minismurf [4d?\]: no
minismurf [4d?\]: they have too much time :)
guojuan [5p\]: :)
]))
(;B[lj]CR[lj]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

guojuan [5p\]: why?
]
(;W[mk]CR[mk]C[NOTE: this is not the game.]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[jm]CR[jm])
(;W[mp]CR[mp]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

fiddle [2k\]: W N4
guojuan [5p\]: Good move for white
guojuan [5p\]: b m10 was alow
]
(;B[lp]CR[lp]C[NOTE: this is not the game.]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
(;B[lm]CR[lm])
(;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[guojuan [5p\]: ok for black
]
;W[hm]CR[hm]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[il]CR[il]
;B[mk]CR[mk]C[guojuan [5p\]: no problems :)
worryezkil [29k\]: black played P4
]))
(;B[op]CR[op]C[NOTE: this IS the game.]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[on]CR[on]C[guojuan [5p\]: yes, the only chance for white 
minismurf [4d?\]: but black should live, no?
]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[deft [4d\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: but it was not necessary for black to get into this trouble at all :)
minismurf [4d?\]: lots of ways
minismurf [4d?\]: white is getting some consolation points on the right side
deft [4d\]: there are lots of ways to die as well ;-)
]
;B[oq]CR[oq]C[cafard [7d\]: n9 now?
]
(;W[mk]CR[mk]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

guojuan [5p\]: chance for white!!!
Muttley [3k\]: practically impossible for black to die, surely?
]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
(;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[mm]CR[mm]C[guojuan [5p\]: :)
])
(;B[lm]CR[lm]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[minismurf [4d?\]: they played more
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]))
(;W[mq]CR[mq]C[NOTE: this IS the game.]
;B[mk]CR[mk]C[worryezkil [29k\]: black played N9
guojuan [5p\]: :(
guojuan [5p\]: now black is alive
guojuan [5p\]: and the white territory is broken :(
]
;W[eo]CR[eo]C[worryezkil [29k\]: could white do anything with a ko move at O9?
guojuan [5p\]: should we stop here?
minismurf [4d?\]: great commentary
minismurf [4d?\]: thanks
guojuan [5p\]: if white can't kill anything, black wins the game
int0x21 [12k\]: upper left ?
guojuan [5p\]: you are all welcome
guojuan [5p\]: lower left
]
(;B[ep]CR[ep]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

guojuan [5p\]: defend
guojuan [5p\]: not reallt
guojuan [5p\]: black has a eye in the lower right corner and a eye  with the move at m12
])
(;B[bc]CR[bc]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

cafard [7d\]: w is killing k3 :)
guojuan [5p\]: black is trying to find the best move to defend
]
(;W[fq]CR[fq]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

minismurf [4d?\]: black played B17
])
(;W[eq]CR[eq]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

cafard [7d\]: and w e3
int0x21 [12k\]: oh i ment later if whtite j18
int0x21 [12k\]: ah
minismurf [4d?\]: guo showed before that upper left is safe
guojuan [5p\]: oops
guojuan [5p\]: ha
]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

guojuan [5p\]: what is this?
fiddle [2k\]: B17 was sente
Muttley [3k\]: ajikeshi ....
minismurf [4d?\]: :) muttley
])
(;B[dr]CR[dr]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

cafard [7d\]: come back to the game
]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[kr]CR[kr]C[Gilles [1k\]: even if white kills k3 it won't be enough ?
Muttley [3k\]: guo, you are unstoppable :-)
guojuan [5p\]: :(
minismurf [4d?\]: here is the game again
guojuan [5p\]: stop or not, please tell me :)
Muttley [3k\]: lol
]
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

minismurf [4d?\]: it's ok to stop, we know black will win :)
]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ea]CR[ea]
;W[ka]CR[ka]
;B[kb]CR[kb]C[Muttley [3k\]: your commentary is excellent and it is your choice  :-)
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[fiddle [2k\]: stay and make jokes
Muttley [3k\]: we can chat in the Britchamp room also
guojuan [5p\]: white dies
cafard [7d\]: if w dead, why continue ?
])
(;B[jr]CR[jr]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

semelis [3d\]: b connected at K2
]
;W[fr]CR[fr]C[minismurf [4d?\]: again back to the game
guojuan [5p\]: I think they both thought white could live
pdcawley [8k\]: cafard: Because white is sat at a goban, trying to survive.
minismurf [4d?\]: they just forgot didn't they?
minismurf [4d?\]: but, in that case, b17 doesn't make sense
]
(;B[lr]CR[lr]C[NOTE: this is not the game.]
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[jk]CR[jk]C[guojuan [5p\]: so black has no problem
Muttley [3k\]: what a game ....
])
(;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[ks]CR[ks]))
(;B[jm]CR[jm]C[NOTE: this IS the game.]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[im]CR[im]C[pdcawley [8k\]: w j9 in the gaem.
]
;W[ik]CR[ik]C[guojuan [5p\]: they don't like simple gaems for sure
]
(;B[lr]CR[lr]C[guojuan [5p\]: I would just live
guojuan [5p\]: :)
fiddle [2k\]: w is trading on McF need to kill whole board
guojuan [5p\]: safe
]
(;W[kp]CR[kp]C[NOTE: this is not the game.

]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[ks]CR[ks]
;B[gs]CR[gs]
;W[fs]CR[fs]C[eon [5k?\]: haha fiddle
]
;B[js]CR[js]C[guojuan [5p\]: alive :)
])
(;W[mn]CR[mn]C[NOTE: this IS the game.

]
;B[lm]CR[lm]C[Muttley [3k\]: back plays M2
guojuan [5p\]: game over :)
Muttley [3k\]: ah ok
minismurf [4d?\]: isn't this the 3rd or 4th game over this game?
domi [1k?\]: lol
fiddle [2k\]: did you tell w?
Warp [23k?\]: White is stubborn.
]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[cafard [7d\]: guo, you can stop soon i think :-)
guojuan [5p\]: yea, black could win much earlier
guojuan [5p\]: I think so too :)
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, you can stop - now everony knows the game is over :)
minismurf [4d?\]: everyone
fiddle [2k\]: lol++
pdcawley [8k\]: except the players.
Muttley [3k\]: Q8 sente?
guojuan [5p\]: thx for watching
minismurf [4d?\]: thanks for commenting
guojuan [5p\]: nice fighting game
domi [1k?\]: thanks Guo
LazyDog [11k\]: Thanks
Gareth [11k\]: Thank you for commenting.
guojuan [5p\]: thx to the players
museone [7d?\]: thx for comments
alec [17k?\]: Thank you Guo.
bambooday [?\]: thanks alot
semelis [3d\]: thanks for the comments
guojuan [5p\]: hope to see you again here
phenomene [2d?\]: thank you guo juan
minismurf [4d?\]: next time you should do the same as this game but ask the relayer to give you control
Gilles [1k\]: thx for the commennts
minismurf [4d?\]: kgs is a little difficult for this kind of thing
guojuan [5p\]: oh? I think kgs is very good for reviewing the games
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, sure :)
domi [1k?\]: what do you mean smurf ? better than IGS no ?
Muttley [3k\]: nah, demo boar should be separate from game
minismurf [4d?\]: but for relaying and commenting
guojuan [5p\]: I top commemtary now
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, it worked well like this too :)
Muttley [3k\]: should always keep the current position available somewhere
guojuan [5p\]: because there is a game tree, easy to get back where you want
minismurf [4d?\]: ok, i stop relaying
minismurf [4d?\]: they played some more moves now 
Muttley [3k\]: true!
guojuan [5p\]: ok maybe we should go to the other room to see the game?
domi [1k?\]: but we see it in the same time
guojuan [5p\]: so what happened?
fiddle [2k\]: b D6\]
cafard [7d\]: go to the other room Guo
phenomene [2d?\]: minismurf said he stopped relaying, just go to the Britchamp game
guojuan [5p\]: so I go to the other room to see the game 
semelis [3d\]: finally L17 has been played
trubamolli [5k\]: W resigned
]))
(;B[hn]CR[hn]C[minismurf [4d?\]: but, does black know this?
guojuan [5p\]: or kill more
domi [1k?\]: are you a cautious player Guo ?
semelis [3d\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: he should know
guojuan [5p\]: I like to kill, but like not be killed more
domi [1k?\]: :-))
guojuan [5p\]: so first safe and then attack
cafard [7d\]: h6 is a move we learn to beginners:)
]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[gn]CR[gn]C[int0x21 [12k\]: i should try to aply that in my game 
]
;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[gm]CR[gm]
;B[gl]CR[gl]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[gk]CR[gk]
;W[hl]CR[hl]C[minismurf [4d?\]: he played it safe instead :))
guojuan [5p\]: oh this is dangerous for black too
int0x21 [12k\]: i usualy end up running around with a one eyed group and threatening things only to notice that suddenly i ran up the space for the second eye
]))))))))))))))))))
(;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
(;W[la]CR[la])
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[ka]CR[ka]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[Muttley [3k\]: nice!
]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[guojuan [5p\]: :(
guojuan [5p\]: this is what I mean
guojuan [5p\]: little aji there
]))))
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[colorwolf [?\]: thx
guojuan [5p\]: is this the game?
minismurf [4d?\]: no
Muttley [3k\]: yup
eon [5k?\]: no
deft [4d\]: no
guojuan [5p\]: oh no
Muttley [3k\]: sorry, no
guojuan [5p\]: this was my variation :)
Muttley [3k\]: before was game
]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is very dangerous for black too
]
;B[kh]CR[kh]
;W[ng]CR[ng]C[Muttley [3k\]: sadly, this threat was not played
]
;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[guojuan [5p\]: big problem in the corner for black
guojuan [5p\]: I see
]))
(;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[mf]CR[mf]C[jerokfor [2d?\]: hello what is this game please?
]
(;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Muttley [3k\]: 2nd game, Brit ch
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[jerokfor [2d?\]: oh!
minismurf [4d?\]: british championship title game 2 - comments by guojuan
phenomene [2d?\]: live comment of british championship final
jerokfor [2d?\]: i forgot this
jerokfor [2d?\]: thx
guojuan [5p\]: little danger for black in the corner
])
(;B[oe]CR[oe]C[minismurf [4d?\]: enough for black?
guojuan [5p\]: but black doesn't have to take the risk
]
;W[mh]CR[mh]C[minismurf [4d?\]: white is on the defensive all the time
]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[guojuan [5p\]: White is still in trouble
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Muttley [3k\]: this suffering without an end
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[guojuan [5p\]: The white corner is weak now
guojuan [5p\]: black has enough territory
])))
(;W[pk]CR[pk]C[guojuan [5p\]: prefer to play here
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[guojuan [5p\]: little better than the game
])))
(;W[oe]CR[oe]C[guojuan [5p\]: the only chance for white
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[guojuan [5p\]: but this move is severe
]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[mh]CR[mh]C[semelis [4d\]: O15 ko no good ?
]
;W[mg]CR[mg]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[oh]CR[oh]C[semelis [4d\]: instead of P15
]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is dead again
guojuan [5p\]: there is no ko
])
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[guojuan [5p\]: ha this ko?
]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[guojuan [5p\]: and now?
]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[mh]CR[mh]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
(;W[og]CR[og]
;B[of]CR[of]C[cafard [7d\]: cry :)
guojuan [5p\]: white is dead
])
(;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[og]CR[og]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is dead
])))
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[guojuan [5p\]: yes, this would be better than the game
minismurf [4d?\]: sorry, but black top is completely secure?
]
(;B[oe]CR[oe]C[guojuan [5p\]: not much better
]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[jb]CR[jb]C[guojuan [5p\]: little better 
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, so white gets some eye-shape
])
(;B[jb]CR[jb]C[minismurf [4d?\]: ok :)
]
;W[oe]CR[oe])))
(;W[lc]CR[lc]C[guojuan [5p\]: I still think white could only try to live here.
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[md]CR[md]C[guojuan [5p\]: how about this? 
Muttley [3k\]: tastier for white
guojuan [5p\]: just misreading Warp
guojuan [5p\]: one min.
Warp [24k?\]: Even players at those levels make mistakes? :-o
touyo [15k\]: err ... yes
trubamolli [5k\]: warp, all players make mistakes, even the best
Muttley [3k\]: if they played perfect go, they would be playing in Tokyo
eon [5k?\]: even pros misread ladders :)
hello [3d\]: you just have to be better to spot them
cafard [7d\]: even champion don't see atari when filling dame :)
minismurf [4d?\]: ladders are pspace-complete though ;)
]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[trubamolli [5k\]: cafard, that's rude =)
]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Muttley [3k\]: it's true!
]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[trubamolli [5k\]: yes it is, though
]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[ha]CR[ha]C[Warp [24k?\]: Suddenly I feel a lot better about me making mistakes all the time... :P
guojuan [5p\]: difficult fight here
]))
(;B[nf]CR[nf]C[Muttley [3k\]: not Q10 first?
guojuan [5p\]: if black could have a sente here, there will be no problem like in the game for black
guojuan [5p\]: Q10 is a nice move
guojuan [5p\]: solid
]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[mh]SQ[nf]CR[mh]C[guojuan [5p\]: after the marked move, this is the only thing black has to worry about
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[guojuan [5p\]: if white can live here, the result is not good for black
])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[guojuan [5p\]: This move looks very good
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[guojuan [5p\]: Good enough
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[guojuan [5p\]: good enough
]))
(;W[pj]CR[pj]C[guojuan [5p\]: if that is the case, white should profit first outside
]
;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[guojuan [5p\]: now live
guojuan [5p\]: in the game white lost too much outside
]))
(;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[nj]CR[nj]C[guojuan [5p\]: I would like to play like this for white
minismurf [4d?\]: but it seems the players have same idea that white should not get surrounded in the middle?
semelis [4d\]: N12 is not dangerous
guojuan [5p\]: bend the ' head' in the center
semelis [4d\]: ?
]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[lf]CR[lf]C[guojuan [5p\]: overplay for b
]
;B[og]CR[og]
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[semelis [4d\]: I see
guojuan [5p\]: easy for white to live
])
(;W[mk]CR[mk]C[guojuan [5p\]: so attack black first
]))
(;W[ss]CR[ss]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[fp]SQ[nq]CR[fp]C[guojuan [5p\]: white can even make 10 points here :)
eon [5k?\]: :)
minismurf [4d?\]: it looks fragile to us beginners :)
guojuan [5p\]: and the marked stone is in a perfect position
]))
(;B[ni]CR[ni]C[thomas [3d\]: =)
guojuan [5p\]: Why not play here?
]))
(;W[jn]LB[ko:A]CR[jn]C[guojuan [5p\]: after this move, A would be very powerful
]
;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[guojuan [5p\]: close like this
guojuan [5p\]: white has a chance to build a big moyo on the right side
])
(;W[ki]CR[ki]C[guojuan [5p\]: or to play here
]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[ll]CR[ll]
;B[km]CR[km]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[jj]CR[jj]
;W[eo]CR[eo]C[guojuan [5p\]: the white group is alive
guojuan [5p\]: no danger
]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[guojuan [5p\]: we can see that the white stones are more efficient than the black stones
guojuan [5p\]: but of course this is still fighting game
minismurf [4d?\]: interesting
]))
(;W[jj]CR[jj]C[semelis [4d\]: G8 now ?
semelis [4d\]: yes, I think so
]
;B[gl]CR[gl]C[guojuan [5p\]: this looks a bit dangers for white
]))
(;B[fe]LB[cc:A]CR[fe]C[Hu [9k\]: This is highlevel play Folo, please ask in English Room
Muttley [3k\]: Folo, ask in public room
Muttley [3k\]: many people will help you there, also use help files
guojuan [5p\]: after this move, A would be a big aji 
guojuan [5p\]: this means the white corner is not strong
]))
(;B[ig]CR[ig]C[Gilles [1k\]: e10
]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[jg]CR[jg]C[guojuan [5p\]: possible for black to play like this
guojuan [5p\]: many aji in the upper left corner
guojuan [5p\]: and the white group in the center is in danger too
]))
(;B[fj]CR[fj]C[fiddle [2k\]: j12??
guojuan [5p\]: This think here is the shape
]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[el]CR[el]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[fi]CR[fi]C[LazyDog [11k\]: j13
voldemort [-\]: arg
guojuan [5p\]: sorry j12
cafard [7d\]: minismurf, come back ! 
Warp [24k?\]: great
minismurf [4d?\]: sorry guo
cafard [7d\]: british telecom has pb
Hu [9k\]: Give control back to guojuan
minismurf [4d?\]: here is control again :)
bubbling [25k?\]: British Telecom, who tried to patent the World Wide Web?
gedh [5k\]: what has happened? it's all gone inactive
guojuan [5p\]: ok, let's go on
bubbling [25k?\]: people at BT are angry and have gotten revenge
]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[gk]CR[gk]C[guojuan [5p\]: white has a weak shape
guojuan [5p\]: it is impossible to close black
guojuan [5p\]: do the players know that we are here?
child [6k\]: maybe britchamp knows
minismurf [4d?\]: britchamp knows
minismurf [4d?\]: i don't think the players can watch the commentary :)
phenomene [2d?\]: it was annouced in the live replay
guojuan [5p\]: I mean the visitors
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, they know
guojuan [5p\]: because there are more people watching there
guojuan [5p\]: but we are here 
minismurf [4d?\]: some of them are inactive like always
guojuan [5p\]: they only see the game but no commentary
Muttley [3k\]: players will be using a goban, I assume
guojuan [5p\]: ok
])
(;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[fj]CR[fj]C[guojuan [5p\]: if white gets a stone here, the black shape looks weak
guojuan [5p\]: I think so, it is an overplay
]))
(;W[ik]CR[ik]C[guojuan [5p\]: I would be very happy to connect here
]))
(;B[ij]CR[ij]C[guojuan [5p\]: I think now is the time to punish white
]
(;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[kl]CR[kl]C[guojuan [5p\]: more dangerous for white than for black
])
(;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[kj]CR[kj]C[guojuan [5p\]: white got more things to worry about
])))
(;W[ij]CR[ij]C[guojuan [5p\]: now I think white should play here
]
;B[il]CR[il]C[guojuan [5p\]: if black tries to  stop here...
]
;W[jo]LB[gk:B][hk:A]CR[jo]C[guojuan [5p\]: white still can get in
guojuan [5p\]: black has weakness at A, B
]))
(;B[ij]CR[ij]C[guojuan [5p\]: something like this
guojuan [5p\]: would be interesting
guojuan [5p\]: the 'head' in the certer is really important
]))
(;B[fj]CR[fj]
(;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ij]CR[ij]C[guojuan [5p\]: this would be good for black
guojuan [5p\]: simple
])
(;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[dk]CR[dk]C[guojuan [5p\]: normal 
])))
(;W[ge]CR[ge]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is why first here
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ig]CR[ig]C[guojuan [5p\]: no weakness for white
]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[ii]CR[ii]
;B[fj]CR[fj]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ik]CR[ik]
;W[gi]CR[gi]C[guojuan [5p\]: even possible to cut here
]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[hk]CR[hk]
;B[hj]CR[hj]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[gj]CR[gj]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[gm]CR[gm]C[guojuan [5p\]: big fight, possible
])
(;W[ig]CR[ig]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is the idea, walk faster
]
;B[if]CR[if]C[guojuan [5p\]: maybe weakness here
]))
(;B[if]CR[if]C[guojuan [5p\]: you mean this one?
vlindertje [6k\]: they restarted in the game
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[cafard [7d\]: yes
guojuan [5p\]: this would too easy for white
]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[guojuan [5p\]: a easy way for black
guojuan [5p\]: not heavy in this case
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[dk]CR[dk]C[guojuan [5p\]: something like this
guojuan [5p\]: just an idea
]))
