(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
PW[Matthew Cocke]PB[Matthew Macfadyen]WR[5d]BR[6d]DT[2002-09-22]GC[This game was relayed live on the KGS Go Server. 
At lunch time Guo Juan gave a commentary on the morning's play (the first 58 moves) and she then gave a live commentary during the afternoon.

This record started as a copy of the other KGS version of the record at lunch time, so this record contains a copy of all the morning's comments.
]EV[British Go Championship Title Match]RO[2]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]US[Tim Hunt]C[This version is annotated to include Guo Juan's comments, and some
further queries by Matthew Macfadyen [M\]

[M\] Points I would like to ask Guo Juan about:

Evaluation of the line with move 33 at j13

Are you sure White is safe if 58 at n11?

Move 85 described as severe, but very dangerous. I can win simply with q7?

Commentators all wanted 123 to be q7, but it seems to me to be very difficult. Did I miss something?

At move 150, you say white has a chance, but I don't see it.  Black has a sente move to connect all then take the loose stone.
]RE[B+Resign]VW[]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[guojuan [5p\]: all normal
]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[id]LB[kc:B][ff:A]CR[id]C[[M\] I like your idea here, but can Black really be sure of getting sente after living in the corner?
]
(;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[dh]CR[dh]
;B[ld]LB[ge:B][if:A][ig:C]CR[ld]
(;W[if]CR[if]C[guojuan [5p\]: but here I think white should walk faster
cafard [7d\]: ok
guojuan [5p\]: when two groups running together to the center, one should try run faster than the other

[M\] Makes good sense
]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[ih]LB[ei:A][fj:B]CR[ih]
(;B[ei]CR[ei]C[guojuan [5p\]: don't really like this move
guojuan [5p\]: I understood that he may wants to turn the 'head' in the center

[M\] I got a bit confused here. i wanted to play d11 but e12 and cut looked too difficult. I think I undervalued j10.
]
;W[cj]LB[ij:B][dk:A]CR[cj]
(;B[dk]LB[ij:B][ip:A]CR[dk]
(;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[jo]CR[jo]
;W[in]LB[ij:B][hr:A]CR[in]
(;B[hr]LB[ej:A][ik:B]CR[hr]
(;W[ej]CR[ej]C[[M\]generally agreed to be an overplay
]
;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[di]LB[hg:A][hi:D][fj:B][ss:C]CR[di]
(;B[hg]CR[hg]C[guojuan [5p\]: was this neccessary?
cafard [7d\]: no
guojuan [5p\]: if white answers at J12, white becomes stronger outside
guojuan [5p\]: so if this is not necessary, we should not play

[M\] I thought it was necessary, see h11 continuation.
]
;W[ge]LB[hf:A][ig:B]CR[ge]C[guojuan [5p\]: too much risk

[M\] Very interesting. See my comment at end of j13 line.

]
(;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[ig]LB[hi:A][fk:B]CR[ig]
(;B[hi]CR[hi]C[touyo [15k\]: Yes, why not Black f9, White f15, Black C17 ...

[M\] because Black f9 does not capture.
]
;W[he]LB[fe:B][ef:A]CR[he]
(;B[ef]CR[ef]C[guojuan [5p\]: Don't really like this shape

[M\] Nor me. I chose it because I was sure I had 2 eyes at the top if necessary.
]
;W[de]CR[de]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is happy about this
]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[fj]CR[fj]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[el]CR[el]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[dm]LB[jj:B][hk:A]CR[dm]
(;W[hk]LB[ii:D][ij:A][gk:C][ik:B]CR[hk]
(;B[ij]LB[ki:C][jl:A][jn:B]CR[ij]C[[M\] The commentators hated this shape, so did I but it seems to be correct, see variations.
]
(;W[jl]CR[jl]C[guojuan [5p\]: but this move a too slow I think

[M\] I agree.
]
;B[je]CR[je]
;W[jd]CR[jd]
;B[ke]CR[ke]
;W[ie]CR[ie]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[lg]CR[lg]C[guojuan [5p\]: ok, I see more people prefer black
guojuan [5p\]: I think the game is still even

guojuan [5p\]: but if black doesn't profit from the closing stones, then it is ok
]
;B[li]CR[li]C[guojuan [5p\]: severe attack
]
;W[lh]LB[ni:B][ll:A]CR[lh]
(;B[ll]LB[mi:B][kn:A][ss:C]CR[ll]C[guojuan [5p\]: I believe this move played in a wrong direction

[M\] I thought it was sente, at least to destroy the white corner.  See continuation after white n11.
]
(;W[kn]CR[kn]C[[M\] Lunch time.
]
;B[pi]LB[nh:A][pj:B]CR[pi]C[guojuan [5p\]: nice move
]
(;W[nh]CR[nh]
;B[mi]CR[mi]
;W[pg]LB[nf:B][qi:A][pj:C]CR[pg]
(;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[pd]LB[lc:B][nc:A]CR[pd]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[mb]CR[mb]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lc]LB[nb:A][me:B]CR[lc]
(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[me]LB[ne:C][oe:B][nf:A]CR[me]
(;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[nd]CR[nd]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is dead

guojuan [5p\]: I think white is losing the game now
]
;W[oj]CR[oj]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[ok]LB[nl:B][ql:A]CR[ok]C[guojuan [5p\]: the problem for white here is that black is getting all the points
]
(;B[nl]LB[rg:A][pk:B]CR[nl]
(;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[og]CR[og]C[guojuan [5p\]: A severe attack

[M\] Actually seems to have been a rather dangerous attack for Black to try. Better simply q7 and watch to see how White tries to make eyes. Then Black has attack in the centre and invasion of the lower right to play.
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[md]LB[pf:B][oh:A]CR[md]C[guojuan [5p\]: let's see what can white do now
]
(;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[qg]CR[qg]C[guojuan [5p\]: a tesuji

[M\] But dangerous. I did not see that White can win the ko with a big threat.
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[of]CR[of]C[guojuan [5p\]: at least something for white to do now
guojuan [5p\]: when we are behind, the only thing we should do is to make the game as difficult as possible 
minismurf [4d?\]: so what ko threats does white have?
guojuan [5p\]: like what white is doing now is very goood.
guojuan [5p\]: p17 is a big one
[M\] P17 is not a clear ko threat, Black answers with o13.
]
;B[qg]LB[oc:B][pk:A]CR[qg]
(;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[pg]CR[pg]C[guojuan [5p\]: oh this is no good for white
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[ng]CR[ng]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[mf]CR[mf]
;B[lf]CR[lf]C[guojuan [5p\]: very difficult to live first
]
;W[kf]CR[kf]
;B[le]LB[kb:A][ji:B]CR[le]
(;W[ji]CR[ji]
;B[jj]CR[jj]
;W[jb]LB[hc:B][jf:A]CR[jb]C[guojuan [5p\]: now black should make sure that no aji on the top
]
(;B[jf]CR[jf]C[guojuan [5p\]: very good move
guojuan [5p\]: take away the eye shape

guojuan [5p\]: and make black safe too
]
;W[kh]CR[kh]C[ 
guojuan [5p\]: Black shuld be careful 

guojuan [5p\]: yes, p15 is a good move
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[fb]CR[fb]C[guojuan [5p\]: so the idea for black here is: white may live, as long as black get sente to play on the outside
]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[eb]LB[gb:A][ec:B]CR[eb]C[guojuan [5p\]: you are right
guojuan [5p\]: oh, black wants more :)

guojuan [5p\]: now more fight

guojuan [5p\]: looks still difficult for white, but something to do at least :)

[M\] I misread this fight. I thought I was killing, or if not sure to get sente.
]
(;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[ii]CR[ii]
;B[hj]LB[gb:A][jg:B]CR[hj]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is trying to get sente
]
(;W[jg]LB[hc:B][pm:A]CR[jg]C[guojuan [5p\]: but white lost sente by playing this move
]
(;B[hc]LB[gb:A][hb:B]CR[hc]C[[M\] Commentators all wanted q7 but I thought it was dangerous.

guojuan [5p\]: white should play at g18 now

guojuan [5p\]: this move may cost his sente

[M\] I made 2 reading errors(at least) I have to play b16 early.  I expected white g18 now, and I capture 3 stones in sente.
]
(;W[gb]LB[hb:B][gd:A]CR[gb]
(;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[ga]LB[ia:B][db:A]CR[ga]C[guojuan [5p\]: should keep it for later
]
(;W[ia]LB[bd:B][pm:A]CR[ia]C[guojuan [5p\]: now black should take sente again
]
(;B[bd]CR[bd]C[guojuan [5p\]: one step slower
guojuan [5p\]: clever :)
]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[ha]CR[ha]C[guojuan [5p\]: he saw it now
guojuan [5p\]: finally
{M\] Yes, almost too late.
]
;W[fa]CR[fa]C[guojuan [5p\]: black should make sure that his corner doesn't die

guojuan [5p\]: if black lives in the corner, and get sente, we stop the comemtary. Ok?
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[ic]LB[kc:A][jn:B]CR[ic]C[guojuan [5p\]: now white lives
]
(;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[km]CR[km]
;B[nn]CR[nn]C[guojuan [5p\]: safe 
]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[guojuan [5p\]: black should be careful with his big group in the
center
]
;B[np]CR[np]C[guojuan [5p\]: black is leading by territory
guojuan [5p\]: but his group is not surely alive
guojuan [5p\]: white q7 was very good
]
;W[mj]LB[lj:B][kl:A]CR[mj]C[guojuan [5p\]: they both see it
minismurf [4d?\]: that the group isn't safe?
guojuan [5p\]: black should just live and white has to kill
]
(;B[lj]LB[mk:A][mp:B]CR[lj]C[guojuan [5p\]: why?

[M\] Black is completely safe.
]
(;W[mp]LB[lp:A][op:B]CR[mp]C[guojuan [5p\]: Good move for white
guojuan [5p\]: b m10 was slow
]
(;B[op]CR[op]C[
]
;W[mo]CR[mo]
;B[on]CR[on]C[guojuan [5p\]: yes, the only chance for white 
]
;W[pn]CR[pn]C[guojuan [5p\]: but it was not necessary for black to get into this trouble at all 

[M\] OK it could have been simpler, but I am safe this way.
]
;B[oq]LB[mk:A][mq:B]CR[oq]
(;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[mk]CR[mk]C[guojuan [5p\]: now black is alive
guojuan [5p\]: and the white territory is broken :(
]
;W[eo]LB[bc:B][ep:A]CR[eo]C[guojuan [5p\]: if white can't kill anything, black wins the game
]
(;B[bc]LB[eq:B][fq:A]CR[bc]C[guojuan [5p\]: black is trying to find the best move to defend

[M\] Now White must m17, then Black b10 covers the left side in sente.
]
(;W[eq]LB[kc:A][dr:B]CR[eq]
(;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[kr]LB[kc:A][jr:B]CR[kr]
(;B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[fr]LB[jm:B][lr:A]CR[fr]C[guojuan [5p\]: I think they both thought white could live

[M\] No, I was being greedy
]
(;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[im]CR[im]
;W[ik]LB[hn:B][lr:A]CR[ik]C[guojuan [5p\]: they don't like simple games for sure
]
(;B[lr]LB[mn:B][kp:A]CR[lr]C[guojuan [5p\]: I would just live
]
(;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[lm]CR[lm]C[guojuan [5p\]: game over :)
]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[guojuan [5p\]: yea, black could win much earlier

remaining moves omitted.])
(;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[ks]CR[ks]
;B[gs]CR[gs]
;W[fs]CR[fs]
;B[js]CR[js]C[guojuan [5p\]: alive :)
]))
(;B[hn]CR[hn]C[guojuan [5p\]: I like to kill, but like not be killed more

guojuan [5p\]: so first safe and then attack
]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[gn]CR[gn]C[int0x21 [12k\]: i should try to aply that in my game 
]
;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[fn]CR[fn]
;W[gm]CR[gm]
;B[gl]CR[gl]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[gk]CR[gk]
;W[hl]CR[hl]C[guojuan [5p\]: oh this is dangerous for black too
]))
(;B[lr]LB[kp:B][kq:A]CR[lr]
(;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[lp]CR[lp]
;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[jk]CR[jk]C[guojuan [5p\]: so black has no problem
Muttley [3k\]: what a game ....
])
(;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[ks]CR[ks])))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ea]CR[ea]
;W[ka]CR[ka]
;B[kb]CR[kb]C[Muttley [3k\]: your commentary is excellent and it is your choice  :-)
]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[ma]CR[ma]C[fiddle [2k\]: stay and make jokes
Muttley [3k\]: we can chat in the Britchamp room also
guojuan [5p\]: white dies
cafard [7d\]: if w dead, why continue ?
]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[guojuan [5p\]: what is this?
]))
(;W[fq]CR[fq]))
(;B[ep]CR[ep]))
(;W[mk]CR[mk]C[guojuan [5p\]: chance for white!!!

[M\] Doesn't work.
]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[jm]LB[ol:C][lm:B][ss:A]CR[jm]
(;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[mm]CR[mm]C[guojuan [5p\]: :)
])
(;B[lm]CR[lm]
;W[mq]CR[mq]C[minismurf [4d?\]: they played more
]
;B[qq]CR[qq])
(;B[ol]C[[M\] This move is absolute sente, so Black has no problem.
]
;W[qo]
;B[mq]
;W[lq]
;B[nr]
;W[mr]
;B[pr]
;W[qr]
;B[lr]
;W[nq]
;B[ms]
;W[mq]
;B[kr]C[[M\] Easy
])))
(;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[lo]CR[lo]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[kl]CR[kl]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[gk]LB[lm:A][kp:B]CR[gk]
(;B[lm]CR[lm])
(;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lm]CR[lm]
;B[mn]CR[mn]C[guojuan [5p\]: ok for black
]
;W[hm]CR[hm]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[hl]CR[hl]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[il]CR[il]
;B[mk]CR[mk]C[guojuan [5p\]: no problems :)
worryezkil [29k\]: black played P4
])))
(;W[mk]CR[mk]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
;B[mq]))
(;B[kl]CR[kl]C[[M\] I really wanted to be able to play from the other side here.  It still seems that my reading was OK
]
;W[jm]LB[ki:B][mq:A]CR[jm]
(;B[mq]CR[mq])
(;B[ki]CR[ki]C[guojuan [5p\]: sente :)
]
;W[kg]CR[kg]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[guojuan [5p\]: game over
minismurf [4d?\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: did they play?
deft [4d\]: I think N10 was not really good
minismurf [4d?\]: no
minismurf [4d?\]: they have too much time :)
guojuan [5p\]: :)
])))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]C[guojuan [5p\]: overplay
]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[ea]CR[ea]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[fa]CR[fa]
;W[ca]CR[ca]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[bb]LB[da:A][bc:B]CR[bb]
(;B[da]CR[da]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[guojuan [5p\]: black is dead :)
])
(;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ad]CR[ad]
;B[ac]CR[ac]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[ab]CR[ab]
;B[da]CR[da]
;W[ba]CR[ba]
;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[bb]LB[ab:B][kd:A]CR[bb]
(;B[kd]CR[kd])
(;B[ab]CR[ab]
;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[ca]CR[ca]
;W[ba]CR[ba]C[guojuan [5p\]: short of liberty
]))))
(;B[pm]CR[pm]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[be]CR[be]C[guojuan [5p\]: white already spent a move at j19

]))
(;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]CR[da]
;B[ca]CR[ca]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[guojuan [5p\]: black is dead
guojuan [5p\]: am I too fast?
deft [4d\]: I don't think B has seen this yet ;-)
eon [5k?\]: no, not too fast
deft [4d\]: if he had seen this, he wouldn't play H17
eon [5k?\]: too strong maybe :)
trubamolli [5k\]: the real game has advanced again
eon [5k?\]: b played h18
deft [4d\]: the game is proceeding along this line.,.
child [6k\]: he saw now :-)
]))
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[ic]CR[ic]C[guojuan [5p\]: alive
deft [4d\]: B will play H18
]))
(;W[hb]
;B[gb]
;W[ic]
;B[gd]
;W[ia]C[[M\] I thought this was his only way to live at the time.
]))
(;B[pm]CR[pm]C[guojuan [5p\]: black should take sente now
guojuan [5p\]: leave the upper side for later
guojuan [5p\]: white would not have time to play there

[M\] Commentators all wanted q7 but I thought it didn't work
]
;W[om]
;B[ol]
;W[pl]
;B[qm]
;W[on]
;B[ro]
;W[qo]LB[ri:A][rk:B]
(;B[ri]
;W[rl]
;B[rm]
;W[rk]C[Black dies.
])
(;B[rk]
;W[rj]
;B[rl]
;W[ri]
;B[rh]
;W[sh]
;B[rf]
;W[qh]
;B[rn]
;W[sm]
;B[nk]C[[M\]Probably OK for Black but I was not sure.
])))
(;W[gb]CR[gb]C[guojuan [5p\]: well, this is the only move i believe
]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[pm]CR[pm]C[guojuan [5p\]: possible sente
]
;B[jg]CR[jg]))
(;W[gb]LB[kb:B][ec:A]CR[gb]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is sente :)
]
(;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[gd]CR[gd]C[guojuan [5p\]: live
])
(;B[kb]CR[kb]C[guojuan [5p\]: kill?
]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[cc]LB[db:B][bc:A]CR[cc]
(;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[bb]CR[bb]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]CR[da]C[guojuan [5p\]: ha mistake
child [6k\]: wonder if w will find this
minismurf [4d?\]: :)
guojuan [5p\]: why this is mistake?
Muttley [3k\]: very neat  :-)
]
;B[bd]CR[bd]C[domi [1k?\]: guo and you see that before stones are placed I suppose
;-)
guojuan [5p\]: because of this b move
eon [5k?\]: w didn't find it :)
]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[be]CR[be]C[colorwolf [?\]: b q7?
minismurf [4d?\]: back to the game?
guojuan [5p\]: white is almost dead on the left side
guojuan [5p\]: yes, back to the game
])
(;W[db]CR[db]C[guojuan [5p\]: cut now
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[da]LB[ca:A][bd:B]CR[da]
(;B[ca]CR[ca]
;W[bc]CR[bc]C[guojuan [5p\]: black is dead :)
fiddle [2k\]: wow
])
(;B[bd]
;W[bb]
;B[bc]
;W[ca]
;B[be]
;W[fa]
;B[cg]
;W[dg]
;B[bh]
;W[bi]
;B[ba]
;W[aa]
;B[ac]
;W[ea]
;B[cf]C[[M\] Lots of difficult lines here.
])))))
(;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[gc]LB[la:A][oc:B]CR[gc]
(;W[la]CR[la])
(;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[la]CR[la]
;B[ka]CR[ka]
;W[ma]CR[ma]C[Muttley [3k\]: nice!
]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[oa]CR[oa]C[guojuan [5p\]: :(
guojuan [5p\]: this is what I mean
guojuan [5p\]: little aji there
])))
(;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[la]CR[la]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[guojuan [5p\]: big problem here too
]))
(;W[oc]LB[oe:A][ng:B]CR[oc]
(;B[oe]CR[oe]C[[M\] Not  the only answer
]
;W[pg]CR[pg]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is very dangerous for black too
]
;B[kh]CR[kh]
;W[ng]CR[ng]C[Muttley [3k\]: sadly, this threat was not played
]
;B[kg]CR[kg]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[guojuan [5p\]: big problem in the corner for black
guojuan [5p\]: I see
])
(;B[ng]C[[M\] Black will play here and get a better ko.
]
;W[pg]
;B[mg]
;W[mf]
;B[mh]
;W[lf]
;B[oe]
;W[pb]
;B[qb]
;W[qc]
;B[pa]
;W[ob]
;B[rb]
;W[qd]
;B[qg]
;W[ji]
;B[rh]
;W[jj]
;B[hc]C[White needs a better ko threat
])))
(;W[pf]LB[ng:B][oh:A]CR[pf]
(;B[oh]CR[oh]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[mf]LB[oe:B][mh:A]CR[mf]
(;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]C[Muttley [3k\]: 2nd game, Brit ch
]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[qa]CR[qa]C[guojuan [5p\]: little danger for black in the corner
])
(;B[oe]CR[oe]C[minismurf [4d?\]: enough for black?
guojuan [5p\]: but black doesn't have to take the risk
]
;W[mh]CR[mh]C[minismurf [4d?\]: white is on the defensive all the time
]
;B[pm]CR[pm]C[guojuan [5p\]: White is still in trouble
]
;W[re]CR[re]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[Muttley [3k\]: this suffering without an end
]
;B[pq]CR[pq]C[guojuan [5p\]: The white corner is weak now
guojuan [5p\]: black has enough territory
]))
(;B[ng]C[[M\]This seems to be correct order
]
;W[mh]
;B[oh]
;W[of]
;B[mf])))
(;W[pk]CR[pk]C[guojuan [5p\]: prefer to play here
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[rk]LB[qg:A][mh:B]CR[rk]C[[M\] This is very dangerous for white.
]
(;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[oi]CR[oi]C[guojuan [5p\]: little better than the game
])
(;B[mh]
;W[mg]
;B[ni]
;W[oi]
;B[oh]
;W[ng]
;B[ph]
;W[pf]
;B[rl]C[White will need to ignore a ko threat quite soon.
])))
(;B[ql]CR[ql]C[guojuan [5p\]: so this is the move 
guojuan [5p\]: good move
guojuan [5p\]: a lot of points
]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[oe]CR[oe]C[Muttley [3k\]: you are showing this without the exchange deliberately?
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[guojuan [5p\]: maybe this is white's plan?

]))
(;W[oe]CR[oe]C[guojuan [5p\]: the only chance for white
]
;B[nf]CR[nf]C[guojuan [5p\]: but this move is severe
]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[mh]CR[mh]C[semelis [4d\]: O15 ko no good ?
]
;W[mg]CR[mg]
;B[ng]CR[ng]
;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[og]CR[og]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[pf]CR[pf]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is dead again
guojuan [5p\]: there is no ko
])
(;W[ne]CR[ne]C[guojuan [5p\]: ha this ko?
]
;B[mf]CR[mf]C[guojuan [5p\]: and now?
]
;W[nf]CR[nf]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[mh]CR[mh]
;B[ng]LB[og:A][oh:B]CR[ng]
(;W[og]CR[og]
;B[of]CR[of]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is dead
])
(;W[oh]CR[oh]
;B[og]CR[og]C[guojuan [5p\]: white is dead
])))
(;W[me]CR[me]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[ma]CR[ma]
;W[oc]LB[jb:B][oe:A]CR[oc]C[guojuan [5p\]: yes, this would be better than the game
]
(;B[oe]CR[oe]C[guojuan [5p\]: not much better
]
;W[le]CR[le]
;B[jb]CR[jb]C[guojuan [5p\]: little better 
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, so white gets some eye-shape
])
(;B[jb]CR[jb]C[minismurf [4d?\]: ok :)
]
;W[oe]CR[oe])))
(;W[lc]CR[lc]C[guojuan [5p\]: I still think white could only try to live here.
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[lb]CR[lb]C[trubamolli [5k\]: cafard, that's rude =)
]
;B[kd]CR[kd]C[Muttley [3k\]: it's true!
]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[jc]CR[jc]C[trubamolli [5k\]: yes it is, though
]
;W[jb]CR[jb]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[ib]CR[ib]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[ha]CR[ha]C[guojuan [5p\]: difficult fight here
]))
(;B[nf]CR[nf]C[guojuan [5p\]: Q10 is a nice move
guojuan [5p\]: solid
]
;W[pj]CR[pj]
;B[mh]SQ[nf]CR[mh]C[guojuan [5p\]: after the marked move, this is the only thing black
has to worry about
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[guojuan [5p\]: if white can live here, the result is not good
for black
])
(;B[pj]CR[pj]C[guojuan [5p\]: This move looks very good

[M\] And very simple. I missed this easy way.
]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[guojuan [5p\]: Good enough
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]C[guojuan [5p\]: good enough
]))
(;W[pj]CR[pj]C[guojuan [5p\]: if that is the case, white should profit first
outside
]
;B[ni]CR[ni]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[guojuan [5p\]: now live
guojuan [5p\]: in the game white lost too much outside
]))
(;W[mi]CR[mi]
;B[mj]CR[mj]
;W[nj]LB[mh:A][ni:B]CR[nj]C[guojuan [5p\]: I would like to play like this for white

[M\] Black can try to kill with o11 etc.
]
(;B[mh]CR[mh]
;W[ni]CR[ni]
;B[mg]CR[mg]
;W[lf]CR[lf]C[guojuan [5p\]: overplay for b
]
;B[og]LB[lc:A][mk:B]CR[og]
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[kc]CR[kc]C[semelis [4d\]: I see
guojuan [5p\]: easy for white to live
])
(;W[mk]CR[mk]C[guojuan [5p\]: so attack black first
]))
(;B[ni]
;W[mh]
;B[nk]
;W[oj]
;B[np]
;W[mp]
;B[oq]
;W[op]
;B[no]
;W[pq]
;B[mq]
;W[or]
;B[fn]C[[M\] Is White really safe?
]))
(;W[ss]CR[ss]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[fp]SQ[nq]CR[fp]C[guojuan [5p\]: white can even make 10 points here :)
eon [5k?\]: :)
minismurf [4d?\]: it looks fragile to us beginners :)
guojuan [5p\]: and the marked stone is in a perfect position
]))
(;B[ni]CR[ni]C[guojuan [5p\]: Why not play here?

[M\] This is the obvious move. I was nervous about all the peeping moves White has against the connection, but perhaps best to go for the simple line.
]))
(;W[jn]LB[ko:A]CR[jn]C[guojuan [5p\]: after this move, A would be very powerful
]
;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[guojuan [5p\]: close like this
guojuan [5p\]: white has a chance to build a big moyo on the right side
])
(;W[ki]CR[ki]C[guojuan [5p\]: or to play here

[M\] This looks dangerous, are you sure that White will live?
]
;B[kj]CR[kj]
;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[kk]CR[kk]
;W[lk]CR[lk]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[ll]CR[ll]
;B[km]CR[km]
;W[ik]LB[jj:A][fn:B]CR[ik]
(;B[jj]CR[jj]
;W[eo]CR[eo]C[guojuan [5p\]: the white group is alive
guojuan [5p\]: no danger
]
;B[li]CR[li]
;W[kd]CR[kd]C[guojuan [5p\]: we can see that the white stones are more efficient
than the black stones
guojuan [5p\]: but of course this is still fighting game
minismurf [4d?\]: interesting
])
(;B[fn]C[[M\] Black will play here. The cut is not a problem as Black can make
eyes at the top.
])))
(;B[ik]
;W[ii]
;B[gk]
;W[hl]
;B[gl]
;W[hj]
;B[gj]
;W[hm]
;B[ql]
;W[do]C[Still maybe some trouble keeping the cutting stones dead.
])
(;B[gk]
;W[hl]C[Just helps White.
])
(;B[ii]
;W[ji]
;B[ik]
;W[ij]
;B[hj]
;W[jj]
;B[gk]
;W[hl]
;B[gl]
;W[il]
;B[gn]
;W[qg]C[Exchange not clearly good for black.
]))
(;W[jj]CR[jj]
;B[gl]CR[gl]C[guojuan [5p\]: this looks a bit dangers for white

[M\] Cutting stones are captured rather cleanly I think, then
White has one move to rescue 3 stones at the bottom and make
the two lower corners equal - not easy.
]))
(;B[fe]LB[cc:A]CR[fe]C[guojuan [5p\]: after this move, A would be a big aji 
guojuan [5p\]: this means the white corner is not strong


[M\] Yes, looks more correct now.
]))
(;B[fk]
;W[fi]LB[eh:A][gi:B]
(;B[eh]
;W[fj]
;B[gj]
;W[gi])
(;B[gi]
;W[eh]
;B[gh]
;W[ek])))
(;B[ig]CR[ig]
;W[fe]CR[fe]
;B[jg]CR[jg]C[guojuan [5p\]: possible for black to play like this
guojuan [5p\]: many aji in the upper left corner
guojuan [5p\]: and the white group in the center is in danger too.

[M\] Probably I played too many games with Shutai. here I fear:
1) White will play k17 and then kill the corner when I invade.
2) White will n6 and challenge me to kill j4 etc, which is not so easy.
]
;W[mn]
;B[km]
;W[eo]
;B[dn]
;W[ek]
;B[dl]
;W[jl]
;B[kl]
;W[jk]
;B[ql]
;W[qg]
;B[nl]
;W[jc]
;B[cc]
;W[bd]
;B[ec]
;W[fb]C[Quite easy to lose for Black.
]))
(;B[fj]CR[fj]C[fiddle [2k\]: j12??
guojuan [5p\]: This think here is the shape
]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[el]CR[el]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[gi]CR[gi]
;B[fi]CR[fi]C[
minismurf [4d?\]: sorry guo
cafard [7d\]: british telecom has pb
Hu [9k\]: Give control back to guojuan
minismurf [4d?\]: here is control again :)
gedh [5k\]: what has happened? it's all gone inactive
guojuan [5p\]: ok, let's go on
bubbling [25k?\]: people at BT are angry and have gotten revenge
]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[gk]CR[gk]C[guojuan [5p\]: white has a weak shape
guojuan [5p\]: it is impossible to close black
guojuan [5p\]: do the players know that we are here?
child [6k\]: maybe britchamp knows
minismurf [4d?\]: britchamp knows
minismurf [4d?\]: i don't think the players can watch the commentary
:)
phenomene [2d?\]: it was announced in the live replay
guojuan [5p\]: I mean the visitors
minismurf [4d?\]: yes, they know
guojuan [5p\]: because there are more people watching there
guojuan [5p\]: but we are here 
minismurf [4d?\]: some of them are inactive like always
guojuan [5p\]: they only see the game but no commentary
Muttley [3k\]: players will be using a goban, I assume
guojuan [5p\]: ok
])
(;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[fj]CR[fj]C[guojuan [5p\]: if white gets a stone here, the black shape looks weak
guojuan [5p\]: I think so, it is an overplay
])
(;B[hi]
;W[ek]
;B[dl]
;W[el]
;B[dm]
;W[gg]
;B[fg]
;W[fi]
;B[eh]
;W[gh]C[[M\]This was what I wanted to stop by playing h13
]))
(;W[ik]CR[ik]C[guojuan [5p\]: I would be very happy to connect here
]))
(;B[ij]LB[jn:B][iq:A]CR[ij]C[guojuan [5p\]: I think now is the time to punish white

[M\] Yes, looks good. I thought I could make things simple and be ahead on territory but this is clearer.
]
(;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[jn]CR[jn]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[kl]CR[kl]C[guojuan [5p\]: more dangerous for white than for black
])
(;W[jn]CR[jn]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[kh]CR[kh]
;B[kj]CR[kj]C[guojuan [5p\]: white got more things to worry about
])))
(;W[ij]CR[ij]C[guojuan [5p\]: now I think white should play here
]
;B[il]CR[il]C[guojuan [5p\]: if black tries to  stop here...
]
;W[jo]LB[gk:B][hk:A]CR[jo]C[guojuan [5p\]: white still can get in
guojuan [5p\]: black has weakness at A, B
]))
(;B[ij]CR[ij]C[guojuan [5p\]: something like this
guojuan [5p\]: would be interesting
guojuan [5p\]: the 'head' in the certer is really important

[M\] Yes. looks better now you play it.
]))
(;B[fj]LB[dj:A][ij:B]CR[fj]
(;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ij]CR[ij]C[guojuan [5p\]: this would be good for black
guojuan [5p\]: simple
])
(;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[dk]CR[dk]C[guojuan [5p\]: normal

[M\] I expected something like j5 now and thought this was OK
for White. 
])))
(;W[ge]CR[ge]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is why first here
]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ig]CR[ig]C[guojuan [5p\]: no weakness for white
]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[ii]CR[ii]
;B[fj]CR[fj]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[ik]CR[ik]
;W[gi]CR[gi]C[guojuan [5p\]: even possible to cut here
]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[hk]CR[hk]
;B[hj]CR[hj]
;W[ij]CR[ij]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[gj]CR[gj]
;W[gl]CR[gl]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[gm]CR[gm]C[guojuan [5p\]: big fight, possible
])
(;W[ig]CR[ig]C[guojuan [5p\]: this is the idea, walk faster
]
;B[if]CR[if]C[guojuan [5p\]: maybe weakness here
]))
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[guojuan [5p\]: a easy way for black
guojuan [5p\]: not heavy in this case
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ed]CR[ed]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[bd]CR[bd]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[ae]CR[ae]
;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[dk]CR[dk]C[guojuan [5p\]: something like this
guojuan [5p\]: just an idea

[M\] but now k15 looks wrong. Perhaps White h17 not k15?
]))
