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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:12.020]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Matthew Macfadyen]
PW[Vanessa Wong]
DT[2010-10-24]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[10800]
RU[Japanese]
RE[B+R]
EV[British Championship 2010]
GN[Game Three BGA Championship]
BR[6d]
WR[5d]
RO[3]
OT[10/600 Canadian]CA[UTF-8];B[op];W[dd];B[co];W[qd];B[nd];W[oc];B[od]
C[liyue [7d?\]: in the joseki in the upper right side]
;W[pc]
;B[qe];W[re];B[pd];W[qc];B[qf];W[rf];B[qh];W[mc]
C[liyue [7d?\]: w seemed a little passive
liyue [7d?\]: now w seems a bit squeezed in the corner]
;B[rg];W[dq]
;B[gp]
(;W[do];B[dp];W[ep];B[cp];W[eo];B[cq];W[er]
C[KoReNJe [3d\]: b is rubberduck
liyue [7d?\]: hi!
liyue [7d?\]: sorry i have some trouble with kgs today!
liyue [7d?\]: hope it will last now]
;B[cr];W[ip]
C[liyue [7d?\]: with this, it seems to me quite good for b already
liyue [7d?\]: got a big corner..
liyue [7d?\]: and what w has is not a wall but a group with a \
lot of ajis]

(;B[fq]
C[liyue [7d?\]: i wonder if f3 is not too impatient..]
;W[eq];B[hp];W[iq];B[hr];W[cn];B[bn];W[cm];B[bm]
C[liyue [7d?\]: hi sorry it started a bit late today]

;W[hn]
C[liyue [7d?\]: in the early opening and already a big fight started]
;B[gn];W[gm];B[hm];W[io]
C[liyue [7d?\]: however, b chose the immediate fight]

(;B[fn]
C[liyue [7d?\]: f6 is the only choice]
;W[fm];B[en];W[em];B[dn];W[dm];B[fp];W[fr];B[gr]
;W[hq];B[gq];W[ir]
C[guest1231: test
guest1231: can anyone read out this capturing race?]
;B[fo]
C[Bagheera [2d\]: b won]
;W[mq];B[hl];W[fk]
C[iancho [1d\]: w still has ko at the bottom]
;B[qp]
C[Merkur [?\]: no ko in bottom left corner]
;W[hj]
C[iancho [1d\]: sorry, you ae correct of course
Goreon [2d\]: just count liberties...
maproomad [-\]: so E2 group is dead?
Goreon [2d\]: y
Orandajinn [-\]: :(
Romeo [1d\]: W sacrificing e2?
Romeo [1d\]: nvm
Tasky [1k\]: should b save h7?
liyue [7d?\]: hi sorry everybody!
liyue [7d?\]: i kind of have some problem with kgs today...hope \
it will work now]

(;B[jl]
C[liyue [7d?\]: so the fight in the lower left side looks really \
nice for b
Tasky [1k\]: are h7 stones important?
liyue [7d?\]: yes, very
liyue [7d?\]: it is the key to keep w h6 and g7 group separated]
;W[jj]
C[liyue [7d?\]: also, b still has influence in the right side]
;B[mp];W[lp];B[mo];W[nq]
C[liyue [7d?\]: the idea of n4 is to connect the 3 stones in the \
center while developing b's moyo in the right side]
;B[lo];W[pr]
C[verminario [1d\]: I don't understand why h7 is so important.  \
Isn't it just spliting two strong groups?]
;B[gk]
C[maproomad [-\]: with h7 dead, white wins the fight in the bottom \
left
maproomad [-\]: no nonsense, sorry
junheng [8k\]: Surely the 2 wt groups are not that strong ... \
which is why bk has gotten several kikashis against them already \
and has built a nice wall along 4th and 5th lines]

;W[gj];B[fj];W[ek];B[fi]
C[verminario [1d\]: After b f11 and w d11, what has b gained?]
;W[di]
C[verminario [1d\]: except a weak group running around in a w moyo?
geoffkaniu: but isn't the moyo open skirted?
verminario [1d\]: well, if the moyo becomes territory by chasing \
f11, then w may be able to afford to go back to play b8 someday.
oasthouse [?\]: Is liyue there?]
;B[de];W[ed]
C[maproomad [-\]: she is having connection problems, like many KGS \
users today
oasthouse [?\]: Oh, OK
guest1231: tes
guest1231: someone said white can make a ko out of the f2 group
guest1231: is that true?
oasthouse [?\]: no
guest1231: it was a 1d who said it
guest1231: but i don't se it
guest1231: but i'm just a guest
kidda: i don't see a ko
givusaqiki [4k\]: guest1231: the 1d corrected himself almost immediately]
;B[dh];W[ei]
C[kidda: b likes fighting
guest1231: oh ok i miessed that, thank you givusaqiki]
;B[eh]
;W[fh];B[gi];W[fg]
C[BadMove [-\]: this game is crazy
oasthouse [?\]: feels like b overplayed. but then it always feels \
that way with Matthew :)
kidda: i couldn't see good result for b but who know
oasthouse [?\]: maybe b has to give up d12 stones
Uberdude [3d?\]: j11 perhaps
oasthouse [?\]: yeah. or h12
BadMove [-\]: or both at once]
;B[ii]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: if j11 in sente the question is can w net with \
j12 after
oasthouse [?\]: good call Uber]
;W[ij]
C[oasthouse [?\]: b still needs a move though
BadMove [-\]: smart !
Uberdude [3d?\]: yes, j12 seems to work
Uberdude [3d?\]: some tricky reading though
Uberdude [3d?\]: it's all about the double purpose moves now
Uberdude [3d?\]: something absurd like f14
Uberdude [3d?\]: takes liberty to prevent j12]
;B[ch];W[ci]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: j12 not good enough, she wants to kill d12?]
;B[ff]
C[guest1231: nice call uber
Uberdude [3d?\]: i'd have thought capturing cutting stones is \
easily good enough
oasthouse [?\]: agree. looks like they both missed j12
verminario [1d\]: not when you've lost the lower left corner.
Uberdude [3d?\]: even if b does squueze with d9]
;W[eg]
C[guest1231: so the two best go player in britain are a 60 year \
old male and a 15 year old female
guest1231: must be a funny image watching them play
Uberdude [3d?\]: verminario, well, i didn't count]
;B[bi]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: but capturing cutting stones is always a good \
idea, particularly against matthew =)
oasthouse [?\]: b has potential on the right. a w capture in the \
centre would destroy it]

;W[bj]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: yeah, don't forget b playewd d15
Uberdude [3d?\]: this is a very bad exchange
Uberdude [3d?\]: if it doesn't end up useful
kairos [-\]: ^^
verminario [1d\]: which is a bad exchange?  b11 for b10 bad for \
b?
Uberdude [3d?\]: d15 for e16
verminario [1d\]: right.
geoffkaniu: is it now time for h11?]
;B[gg];W[gh];B[hi]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: if b captures k10
Uberdude [3d?\]: that looks good
Uberdude [3d?\]: f11 were the important cutting stones
Uberdude [3d?\]: not e12]
;W[hg]
C[verminario [1d\]: Right now, the d15 e16 exchange is looking o.k. \
for b.
oasthouse [?\]: yes. that is why b should maybe have developed \
j11 stones before fattening up d12 :)
oasthouse [?\]: but I guess d12 has some possibilities
oasthouse [?\]: still
verminario [1d\]: b should k11, no?
oasthouse [?\]: should do something in the centre. not sure what \
move is best
kis [7k\]: connect?
kis [7k\]: give up j11]
;B[ig]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: c12 are still not dead]
;W[gf]
C[junheng [8k\]: But if b gives up j11 w connects big time and controls \
huge area ... and can freely invade right side :)
oasthouse [?\]: yes Uber. b b12 (or maybe b13) is sente to connect \
and then can live
Uberdude [3d?\]: w would like to killed them and stop b doing \
anthing in corner
kis [7k\]: b gets territories up and left
kis [7k\]: in exchange
Uberdude [3d?\]: b c14 or whatever and tells w to love the dame]
;B[bk]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: oh i forgot, this might die]
;W[ck];B[aj]
;W[cj]
C[gosai1979 [-\]: b13]
;B[bg];W[ji]
C[junheng [8k\]: Yes. this k11 is big
gosai1979 [-\]: k11 is an important point
oasthouse [?\]: k11 nice timing
junheng [8k\]: Now w can both press the b gp ,,, and thrust deep \
into b moyo ... and play kikashi against k8 gp to live nice]
;B[ih];W[bl]
C[oasthouse [?\]: l13 and leave a8 ko behind?
verminario [1d\]: ko?  Or c16?]
;B[ie]
C[guest1231: nice move
Uberdude [3d?\]: h13 g14 are looking silly]
;W[ce]
C[gosai1979 [-\]: yes
gosai1979 [-\]: w is slow
oasthouse [?\]: a8 is easy ko for b. lots to gain and not much \
to lose. local threats to live
Uberdude [3d?\]: or just n11 
Uberdude [3d?\]: all mine!
oasthouse [?\]: yeah. very tempting to play on the right :)
verminario [1d\]: c14 looks like it can live.
Uberdude [3d?\]: if b gets 2 moves on right and w resolves at \
a9
Uberdude [3d?\]: b far ahead
Uberdude [3d?\]: assuming those 2 moves do indeed get it all
verminario [1d\]: Even if they get half.
Uberdude [3d?\]: i conclude j12 was much better than this
verminario [1d\]: j12 instead of ?
Uberdude [3d?\]: c11 
verminario [1d\]: oh, j12 earlier to kill f11.
Uberdude [3d?\]: yes
oasthouse [?\]: for sure. somehow they both missed it
Uberdude [3d?\]: i remember there was a similar net wang zi played \
against mtthew at london open]
;B[jn];W[kg];B[md]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: k6 claims he doesn't even need a move to kill \
it all
Uberdude [3d?\]: l15]

;W[ke]
C[geoffkaniu: I was expecting b M8 not K6
oasthouse [?\]: cut
BadMove [-\]: how ?
Uberdude [3d?\]: perhaps k8 should probe at n16 first
verminario [1d\]: how will b handle the j13 group now?
oasthouse [?\]: by cutting w
Uberdude [3d?\]: if w answers at m17 then b will n10 area rather \
than k6 to attack more severely
oasthouse [?\]: I would have played l13 instead of j15 to prevent \
all this kind of stuff. But I am not as strong as Matthew :)
guest1231: what was move 109 played?
guest1231: 107 = K6, 108 = L13, 109 = ?
verminario [1d\]: I thought it was an easy game for b a couple \
of moves ago, but now it looks tricky.
BadMove [-\]: M20 logicll
joachim [?\]: 109= N16
guest1231: thank you joachim]
;B[kh]
C[AerinDad [3k\]: k6 prevented w k7]
;W[jh];B[jg];W[kf]
C[oasthouse [?\]: I bet b is wishing k6 were at m8]
;B[lh]
C[guest1231: wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
verminario [1d\]: w j16?]
;W[if];B[jf];W[je]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: k6 did seem rather greedy to claim the entire \
half board]
;B[hf]
;W[he]
C[verminario [1d\]: huge ko!
gosai1979 [-\]: why white is so less calm
verminario [1d\]: does b have an move besides g15?
oasthouse [?\]: j14 might also be a possibility
oasthouse [?\]: I guess the real problem move was n16.
verminario [1d\]: I don't think k6 was good.
Uberdude [3d?\]: so can 2 moves kill lower w group?
verminario [1d\]: I don't see it.
joachim [?\]: M3 M4
Uberdude [3d?\]: w r3 should live half of it
oasthouse [?\]: hard to kill it all in two moves especially as \
w j1 is sente]
;B[id];W[if];B[kp];W[hf];B[lq];W[lr];B[kr];W[ms]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: connecting makes no eyes
Uberdude [3d?\]: can b r2
verminario [1d\]: Yes, r2 looks like sente.
Regenbogen [1d\]: capture of k14 looks very big. ...
Regenbogen [1d\]: as black id prefer to play ko there
Uberdude [3d?\]: so m2 too early and should r3 first perhaps
WildThing [2d\]: w j1
oasthouse [?\]: also quite big for b to squeeze k10]
;B[nr]
C[Uberdude [3d?\]: b agrees m2 was reckless]

;W[qq]
C[oasthouse [?\]: one thing for sure is that this game is fun to \
watch :)
BadMove [-\]: n2 ?
oasthouse [?\]: r3 is a good answer to o2
verminario [1d\]: yes, I think b r2 would have been better than \
O2
MrTortoise [4k\]: o2 looks odd
Uberdude [3d?\]: n1 r2 q3 r3 o2 l1 then sente
MrTortoise [4k\]: from my perspective neway
Uberdude [3d?\]: shame b can't hane at s
Uberdude [3d?\]: s5
oasthouse [?\]: maybe s3 here
geoffkaniu: next move is sealed
geoffkaniu: they have lunch at the school
geoffkaniu: will resume at 14:00
kis [7k\]: s3 s2 p2 then w dead?
MrTortoise [4k\]: s3,s4?
kis [7k\]: right, right
MrTortoise [4k\]: i dont know
kis [7k\]: but still
MrTortoise [4k\]: its just i was looking at that
MrTortoise [4k\]: i just cant figure out o2 though
MrTortoise [4k\]: which means thaere is a lot im not seeing
kis [7k\]: w should not have s4 so b must play there?
kis [7k\]: s3 or s4
oasthouse [?\]: I guess s4 for b
MrTortoise [4k\]: w gets easy life then
SFXBMM: its not looking good for b
MrTortoise [4k\]: s3,s4,q3
SFXBMM: o2 was desperate move
kis [7k\]: but very small
MrTortoise [4k\]: can b afford to let w take corner to get b a \
large right side
SFXBMM: u mean large bottom?
MrTortoise [4k\]: r9
MrTortoise [4k\]: area
SFXBMM: b is having no points
MrTortoise [4k\]: b is behind by my count
oasthouse [?\]: I think b is OK SFX
oasthouse [?\]: Can't say no points
kis [7k\]: b q3 s3 s4 p2 ??
shooastrid [17k\]: she's gorgeus
MrTortoise [4k\]: q3 is a bad start doesnt put enough pressure \
on w
MrTortoise [4k\]: amost a thankyou move imo
MrTortoise [4k\]: (but im only 4k)
kis [7k\]: it would make the corner verx small
geoffkaniu: uberdude - what do you think of my suggestion?
jd389 [11k\]: can you see any way for B to kill in the corner \
?
SFXBMM: no
jd389 [11k\]: my poor reading shows W alive
kis [7k\]: b q3 nonsense
MrTortoise [4k\]: was o2 maybe protection against the ko at l1 \
whilst damaging bot right shape?
SFXBMM: b is doing bad cause he got a bad ko 
MrTortoise [4k\]: i missed that ... was it at j14? looks odd there
SFXBMM: yes
MrTortoise [4k\]: ahhh kk
junheng [8k\]: Isn't the point here that w is not just trying \
to live? She needs to damage b's r9 moyo too.... So while b presses \
he needs to finish sente and not leave kikashis around q5/s5 \
area? W could then extend and threaten connect with k10 and live \
nice inside w's moyo? (just 8k thoughts)
FrodosGban [9k?\]: check
MrTortoise [4k\]: yeah, thats always the point ;)
kidda: hm.. w seesm better]
;B[rp];W[lc];B[mr]
C[geoffkaniu: there are 180+ in bgaadmin and 70- here]
;W[mj]
C[geoffkaniu: open chat is allowed in bgaadmin provided everyone \
behaves]
;B[nk];W[nj];B[oj];W[oi];B[pj]
;W[pg];B[qg];W[of];B[ng];W[pi];B[qi];W[og];B[lj];W[lk];B[mk]
C[KGZ [-\]: too slow?]

;W[li];B[mi];W[ni];B[ki];W[kj]
C[mcc1: w+res]
;B[oe];W[mh];B[be];W[cf];B[bd]
;W[cc];B[bc];W[cb];B[bf];W[ll];B[mm]
C[bistrogo [3d\]: b+res]
;W[ml];B[nl];W[nm]
C[bistrogo [3d\]: b+15pts]
;B[ok]
;W[lm];B[mn];W[im];B[jm];W[li];B[il];W[ak];B[bb];W[ba];B[cd]
;W[df];B[ai];W[kn];B[jo];W[ld];B[nf];W[me];B[mf];W[le];B[ne]
;W[lg];B[qk];W[ab];B[ac];W[am];B[ao];W[gl];B[dc];W[db];B[ec]
;W[fc];B[aa];W[bh];B[ca];W[ag];B[eb];W[fb];B[da];W[fa];B[cg]
;W[pf];B[pe]
C[maproomad [-\]: Vanessa has resigned
globax [3d\]: ah thx  much]
)
(;B[jk]
C[liyue [7d?\]: however, i wonder if it is better to play k9 instead]
;W[ji];B[le]
C[liyue [7d?\]: b will force w to have a thinner shape]
))
(;B[ej])
(;B[fn]))
(;B[kq]
C[liyue [7d?\]: if b just limit it from the right side it will be \
very painful for w]
;W[ir]
C[liyue [7d?\]: as there will be STILL aji even if w defends]
LB[fq:A]
))
(;W[ep]
C[liyue [7d?\]: and against g4, e4 seems like a good point
liyue [7d?\]: b does not have a good point to seal it]
))
