(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
GN[British Championship 2015 Game One]PW[Andrew Kay]PB[Andrew Simons]WR[5d]BR[4d]DT[2015-09-26]EV[British Championship 2015]RO[1]PC[Cambridge]C[BGAadmin [-\]: hi all
BGAadmin [-\]: we're just setting up here
BGAadmin [-\]: we're just waiging on Andrew Kaye to arrive now
maproomad [-\]: no e I think
BGAadmin [-\]: oops!
BGAadmin [-\]: both players are here now so we'll be starting shortly
Javaness [2d\]: Are they smartly dressed?
BGAadmin [-\]: sorry, we just had to do some network configuration
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewK very smart in blue suit
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS a bit more casual in jeans
BGAadmin [-\]: nigiri shortly
BGAadmin [-\]: I will put some photos on my twitter once we get started
BGAadmin [-\]: @marshmn on twitter is where they will be
BGAadmin [-\]: maybe britgo account will retweet them
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS to play black
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS to my right
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;B[dd]
;W[pp]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: edit the Rules under Options, to put the players' names in
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;B[pc]
;W[dp]
;B[qn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: donen so now
Javaness [2d\]: can I complain that the ranks aren't there?
Nyanjilla [-\]: hehehe
Nyanjilla [-\]: and their KGS nicks
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;W[pj]C[mohel [3d?\]: W is SnobbyPseudointellectual23 and B I can't remember.
YZ1509 [4d\]: so i place a safe bet, andrew to win
TurtleDove [5k\]: lol
Eilinen [-\]: Andrew is champion no matter what, eh. Quite an coincidence I would say
rocket [1k\]: wthat´s their rank?
mohel [3d?\]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Simmons
TurtleDove [5k\]: W is Strangeleftwingpoliticsdontevenstartthatdiscussion
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;B[nq]
;W[qo]C[Ootakamoku [-\]: r5, fancy pants variation
mohel [3d?\]: O3 at Q14/R14 and we'd have a precedent
Svilder: q6 p5
plo [9k\]: wow 3 hours...
darkronin [1k?\]: Did they fall asleep? 
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS studying the corner intently
mohel [3d?\]: would it be legal to play this out on another board?
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;B[pn]C[mohel [3d?\]: with all that time...
Nyanjilla [-\]: the other player might notice
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;W[np]C[darkronin [1k?\]: I put my bucks on black
Svilder: maybe andrew decides to run a marathon now to calm his nerves
Yukiko [1k\]: Looks like a strange start
mohel [3d?\]: b needs to find initiative to play Q8 or similar
mohel [3d?\]: otherwise he'll be running with a stick
Svilder: b threatens the bloody nose tesuji so b will win "naturally"
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewK just remembered to turn his phone off
BGAadmin [-\]: luckily before anyone called
BGAadmin [-\]: nice day in Cambridge today
mohel [3d?\]: n4 or r3?
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS has used 30 mins of his time now
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewK just 10 mins of his
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;B[qq]C[mohel [3d?\]: P3
pancake [3d\]: Just Q3 and it's hard to find a good result for black..?
mohel [3d?\]: let b have the corner
mohel [3d?\]: better result for w
BGAadmin [-\]: photo of game here: https://twitter.com/marshmn
mohel [3d?\]: p3 s5 s4 r4 q5 
BGAadmin [-\]: now it's AndrewK deep in concentration
mohel [3d?\]: instead, n4 o5 p3 q5 p9 and b can put up a fight
pancake [3d\]: I withdraw my comment from before. Q3 doesn't seem very good. 
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;W[pq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Q3 it is
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;B[pr]
;W[rq]C[Svilder: nice pancake
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;B[qr]C[Svilder: w falls apart
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;W[rn]C[r0n1n [1d\]: I prefer Andrew here
Eilinen [-\]: Nice one : )
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;B[mp]C[BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewK has been looking as though he's about to make a move, but then seems to change his mind
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS has been out of his seat a few times, but AndrewK has been sitting in his place the whole time so far
phoenix4y [5k\]: AndrewK decided to never move again
rats [2d?\]: i like the descriptive commentary
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;W[no]C[r0n1n [1d\]: same
clydesdale [3k\]: is this the first game?
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewK off for a wander around now
BGAadmin [-\]: it's the first game, yes
rats [2d?\]: so, this championship is how many games in total?
BGAadmin [-\]: it's a 5 game match
clydesdale [3k\]: ah , back to five
mohel [3d?\]: over the weekend?
BGAadmin [-\]: the game will play until 13:00 BST (12:00 UTC) before we break for lunch
BGAadmin [-\]: so about an hour before that
BGAadmin [-\]: only 1 game this weekend
BGAadmin [-\]: the rest will be concluded between now and the end of the year
mohel [3d?\]: eh
rats [2d?\]: why draw it out so much? it's just an amature tournament
Dom [6d\]: Q10 looks nice but its outdated
mohel [3d?\]: W is pretentious enough to call it his style to play starpoints.
Dom [6d\]: w is 4d
mohel [3d?\]: hence
rats [2d?\]: play on enough star points, you can delude your opponent into feeling as if he is playing a handicap game ;)
mohel [3d?\]: http://ranka.intergofed.org/?p=9381
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;B[mo]
;W[mq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: he's gone for the cut
wade [5d\]: n5 was a mistake by b
hinstock [?\]: why is white thinking? was the cut a surprise?
wade [5d\]: should have protected at m3 
bitzi [-\]: how can they sit on these charis for 6 hours
hinstock [?\]: I meant black
BGAadmin [-\]: he's staring at the corner, concentrating closely on it
wade [5d\]: m3 seems the most reasonable counter
BGAadmin [-\]: they don't actually sit for the whole six hours of course
BGAadmin [-\]: there's quite a bit of moving round between moves
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;B[lq]
;W[mr]
;B[nr]
;W[lr]C[razzinos [3d?\]: is it best of three of best of five?
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;B[kq]C[BGAadmin [-\]: best of 5
razzinos [3d?\]: oh wow
BGAadmin [-\]: few quicker moves now
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;W[kr]
;B[jq]C[oasthouse [-\]: may have been premature for w to cut?
wade [5d\]: w is in big trouble now
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;W[jr]C[mafutrct [4k?\]: so was n5 a mistake or not oO
wade [5d\]: n5 was a mistake but n3 a bigger one
oasthouse [-\]: j3 necessary
mafutrct [4k?\]: so w should have N6 ?
oasthouse [-\]: I mean j2 is not working, I think
mohel [3d?\]: au contraire
oasthouse [-\]: maybe b is considering h3 or something
Svilder: position already too good for b and not even 30 moves in
wade [5d\]: s4 s5 r4 q5 b is alive in sente in the corner
wade [5d\]: so he shouldnt be worried about that
BGAadmin [-\]: one hour of AndrewS's time gone now
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewK has used 40 mins so far
mohel [3d?\]: S4 R4 i would expect
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;B[ir]C[oasthouse [-\]: hmm
oasthouse [-\]: Now w j3 cut works I think
mafutrct [4k?\]: j3 h2 g3 ?
Svilder: b should have taken his time before playing this all in
oasthouse [-\]: j3 h2 m4 maybe
oasthouse [-\]: complicated
mafutrct [4k?\]: after m4, is it a ladder?
oasthouse [-\]: how?
Svilder: o6 tricks with p4 aji?
mafutrct [4k?\]: j3 h2 m4 j4 k4 j3 l4 j3 n6 
mafutrct [4k?\]: seems w dies that way
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;W[iq]C[oasthouse [-\]: it's a net. read one more
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;B[hr]C[mafutrct [4k?\]: eh yea
mafutrct [4k?\]: so b cannot easily j4
oasthouse [-\]: yes.
CrabStone [2d\]: How strong are players? 5d?
mafutrct [4k?\]: but he can M5...
oasthouse [-\]: Then it gets complicated, but I think w can always capture something
CakeEater [3d\]: w 5d and b 4d
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;W[lp]
;B[ko]C[CrabStone [2d\]: B is strong
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;W[hq]
;B[gq]C[CrabStone [2d\]: Kill stones here
swedish1k [6d\]: s3 was such a bad move
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;W[gp]
;B[fq]C[mohel [3d?\]: http://www.britgo.org/ratings/current.html
mohel [3d?\]: says W 4d
mafutrct [4k?\]: if b had M5 instead of L5, then l4 k4 l5 and b cannot J4 because of double ladder breaker H5 ?
CakeEater [3d\]: so much time spend for this result... :)
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS is up for a walk around again whilst AndrewK ponders next move
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;W[lo]
;B[mn]
;W[ln]C[mafutrct [4k?\]: n6 m6 n7 k5 m7 o6 j6 would not be ok for b
mohel [3d?\]: j5
Svilder: h4
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;B[jo]C[mafutrct [4k?\]: ah?
mafutrct [4k?\]: m7 is not a double threat?
oasthouse [-\]: L7
oasthouse [-\]: l7 threatens l7
oasthouse [-\]: o7
oasthouse [-\]: I mean l7 threatens o7
mafutrct [4k?\]: l7 m7 might be a problem?
mafutrct [4k?\]: oh, no :)
agony [5k\]: Which Andrew is Uberdude?
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS I believe?
Svilder: so no lunch break needed and a longer weekend
oasthouse [-\]: hmm maybe b is ok after all :)
mafutrct [4k?\]: how?
mafutrct [4k?\]: by j6 n1 ?
mohel [3d?\]: ♪ the first cut was the deepest ♫
mafutrct [4k?\]: l7 n7 j6 n1 j5 m1 k4 l4 k6 j4 
oasthouse [-\]: the problem for w is that the last j4 is atari
mafutrct [4k?\]: yea
BGAadmin [-\]: big sigh from AndrewK there
mohel [3d?\]: resigh'n
BGAadmin [-\]: he seems a bit unsure of which move to make right now
mohel [3d?\]: btw, mafu, even if l7 n7 j6, b can just n1 and win on libs
oasthouse [-\]: L5 was a very neat move by b. I didn't see it
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;W[or]C[mafutrct [4k?\]: mohel, yea, my prev sequence :)
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;B[oq]
;W[op]
;B[os]C[BGAadmin [-\]: the first captured stone
SiaTex [4k\]: can white trade those 3 tones and get a lot of points at the right side?
SiaTex [4k\]: or is there too much aji there , so it won't be even?
mohel [3d?\]: hm i didn't read that completely, wp
oasthouse [-\]: w can get a nice squeeze starting at n7
mohel [3d?\]: right side isn't that interesting with the poor shape there
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 minutes until we break for lunch
BGAadmin [-\]: who do we think is winning right now?
mafutrct [4k?\]: the observers
mohel [3d?\]: w would be squeezing his own P4 libs away with that, bad idea
mohel [3d?\]: R4 weakness
oasthouse [-\]: I think b is winning
oasthouse [-\]: But not over yet
clydesdale [3k\]: b looks ahead to me
pancake [3d\]: What about L7? 
brogicus [4k\]: I like black
maproomad [-\]: so does Matthew Macfadyen, who just had a look
maproomad [-\]: he reckons Black can afford to give 20 komi in this position
Svilder: with these time settings not even lag will save w
jameshut [?\]: white looks punctured to me
maproomad [-\]: how much time does each player have left?
Svilder: 2h
BGAadmin [-\]: it's now 13:00, AndrewK will seal his move once he decides on it
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewS has 1:54 left
gogonuts [3d\]: s3 for r2 was problematic
gogonuts [3d\]: better just s6
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewK has 1:48 left
mohel [3d?\]: Q3 wasn't good
mohel [3d?\]: should be P3
akbnm: aiming j6,m7?
Svilder: does the board have coordinates?
oasthouse [-\]: How should W recover something from this? Maybe start with P7?
mohel [3d?\]: actually we're getting the rotated view, K plays from the left and S from the right
BGAadmin [-\]: correct
mohel [3d?\]: w has a weak shape on the right side, a nigh useless M6, a weak bottom left corner and a few stray stones
mohel [3d?\]: he can't fight due to weak shapes...
BGAadmin [-\]: AndrewK is sealing his move now
BGAadmin [-\]: we've paused the clocks
BGAadmin [-\]: we will aim to resume in one hour
Svilder: his move was probably b+r
BGAadmin [-\]: come back to find out in one hour :)
maproomad [-\]: Play will resume at 14:00 UK time
Svilder: that is a bold statement
oasthouse [-\]: Yeah it does look quite bad for w
oasthouse [-\]: maybe p7 n7 m8
oasthouse [-\]: to try to squeeze n4 stones
oasthouse [-\]: but may have to give up q4 which is expensive
Naphthalin [6k?\]: go andrew!
Hellhuman [1d?\]: Who is playing? Cant See it from the Android client
pancake [3d\]: Andrew Kay and Andrew Simons
Hellhuman [1d?\]: Thank you. How strong are they?
gruenwald [2d\]: Y is Vanessa not playing? 
pancake [3d\]: According to the EGF both are 4dan, but Andrew Kay shows at 5d here
Hellhuman [1d?\]: Did w resign vor just thinking for a while?
pancake [3d\]: lunchbreak
Javaness [2d\]: I hope white has a good lunch
Bryci [6k\]: this game is till on? even top is black, dondt see any way 
maproomad [-\]: The game is paused for lunch, the sealed move may be revealed soon
Bryci [6k\]: just looks hopeless unless w can harass n6 
maproomad [-\]: W is good at harrassment
mohel [3d?\]: yes but will that help him in a boardgame?
marius1 [1k\]: sealing move must be J6
Bryci [6k\]: if b's cutting stones dont die it still looks hard to catch up because w has no influence at top
BGAadmin [-\]: We're just getting ready to resume
VongNguyet [1k\]: b looks good
akbnm: m7!
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;W[mm]
;B[nn]C[BGAadmin [-\]: And the sealed move + obvious response
mohel [3d?\]: seems like w just wanted to play kikashi so he'd know b's next move... not like it's going to help much
Bryci [6k\]: did you really have the fun of a sealed move? ^^
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes, seal the move, have lunch, open the move
kurai [2d\]: life is all about sealed moves
BGAadmin [-\]: (by the way BGAdmin has changed Matthews; Matt Reid here now
Javaness [2d\]: shouldn't we know what they had for lunch?
ofbusy [-\]: yes what did they eat ?
akbnm: I remember this talking...
akbnm: is admin female?
kurai [2d\]: hopefully they had balanced meals
kurai [2d\]: not too much carbohydrates
BGAadmin [-\]: Pub lunch (no beer though)
Bryci [6k\]: carbs are the best for your brain
kurai [2d\]: carbs destroy your body
Bryci [6k\]: lol
kurai [2d\]: including your brain -.-
Bryci [6k\]: they dont
Chogoling [9k\]: lol
r0n1n [1d\]: if white didn't have any plan after playing this move, it's a terrible exchange imho
kurai [2d\]: white's not in a good spot, here
r0n1n [1d\]: cause now s5 is very painful
ofbusy [-\]: b r4 could be a little problematic
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;W[on]
;B[nm]
;W[nl]
;B[om]C[kurai [2d\]: ah
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;W[ol]C[Bryci [6k\]: until now they play out my sequence ^^
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;B[pm]C[r0n1n [1d\]: i don't see how this works
kurai [2d\]: it doesnt
wade [5d\]: m7 r4 j6 k4 b crushes
Kobor42 [?\]: carb is time. time does good for your body, but also your brain too, but also destroys both.
kurai [2d\]: he's just salvaging the position
kmr [1d\]: go Uberdude!!!
akbnm: hard for w
kurai [2d\]: if everyone ate fat like they ate carbs, they would all be in terrific shape and live to 100+
mohel [3d?\]: 100+ kg, yes
Kobor42 [?\]: so fat is time too?
kurai [2d\]: no, fat is love
akbnm: but m7 connect aim j6
Kobor42 [?\]: fat = time = carb = love. 
akbnm: then s7?
wade [5d\]: s7 r4 caps q4
kurai [2d\]: dietary fat reduces cholesterol, supports healthy weight loss, removes free radicals from blood and cells, and promotes longevity
akbnm: ah r4...
Kobor42 [?\]: And it makes more sense than your stupid auarrel over bullshit...
akbnm: then q5?
akbnm: after m7
wade [5d\]: q5 m7 
akbnm: m7 j6 q5 miai
perun [3d\]: w not resign yet?
wade [5d\]: m7 r4 j6 k4 b is more than ok
kurai [2d\]: there's no good way for white to continue -.-
Kobor42 [?\]: by the way bullshit contains a healthy amount of carb and fat in a good distributed percentage. My opinion: Both of you go eat healthy bullshit.
kurai [2d\]: carbs aren't healthy
pancake [3d\]: Carbs are healthy, and absolutely necessary ;)
r0n1n [1d\]: crabs are healthy
Bryci [6k\]: ah the censor option, so nice.. dont have to read that false "knowledge" of nutrition anymore
pancake [3d\]: unless you literally never move a muscle
wade [5d\]: kobor: read about paleo diet a bit then talk
kurai [2d\]: you can actually live indefinitely without consuming carbs
kurai [2d\]: until you die, I guess -.-
kurai [2d\]: but if you remove fat or protein from your diet completely, you die very quickly
perun [3d\]: to live without consuming carbs would to to live without comsuming at all
Kobor42 [?\]: I read the "You have cancer" diet, and I can talk without reading your paleo diet. Who are you to limit my right to talk?
akbnm: I think centor w shimetsuke is best way
mohel [3d?\]: don't feed the trolls pls
Kobor42 [?\]: trolls are healthy
BGAadmin [-\]: White's just used half his time; 90 minutes vs c123 minutes
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;W[in]C[Kobor42 [?\]: 'cause they feed themselves with healthy bullshit.
kurai [2d\]: the real troll here is kobor -.-
Kobor42 [?\]: I'm busted. 
quizzle: 123 used or left? 
mohel [3d?\]: w's wishful thinking
akbnm: shimetsuke and BR living...
BGAadmin [-\]: 123 left
NIre [1d\]: r4 
quizzle: ta
Cool [1k\]: why win
weiqidevil [-\]: can black play m7?
mohel [3d?\]: just L7
Kobor42 [?\]: I think w is just trying to escape from pervious mistake
Kobor42 [?\]: pre
mohel [3d?\]: m7 l6 k6 l7 but then b would have to k7 
wade [5d\]: m7 l7 n8 l6 then l3 dies
weiqidevil [-\]: yes, is it wrong?
Alligato [2d\]: S7
wade [5d\]: i think b cant get any bad result here
mohel [3d?\]: b is on b's team, wqd
Alligato [2d\]: it is bad enough for b
ffillets [2k\]: n4 has not many liberties 
mohel [3d?\]: enough
pancake [3d\]: Just L7
pancake [3d\]: ?
mohel [3d?\]: yea
ffillets [2k\]: l7 and n4 is dead
pancake [3d\]: how?
gisel [-\]: I guess w is counting on b l7, to get m7 in sente
wade [5d\]: j5 h5 h6 g6 k7 also good
Bryci [6k\]: can get b more than 4 libs after w plays s5 ?
Ootakamoku [-\]: how about r4 and capture in sente? since w needs to secure l3 capture
perun [3d\]: why give anything away?
wade [5d\]: if youre gonna give up l3 then m7 l6 n8 k6 is better coz you get a ponnuki
perun [3d\]: w cant capture r6 
Ootakamoku [-\]: because b needs to worry about f3 too
perun [3d\]: i mean k4 j5 l7 runs away and r6 cant be captured
Ootakamoku [-\]: perun, but then f3 dies
perun [3d\]: how f3 dies if n2 is dead
Ootakamoku [-\]: oh, nvm
gisel [-\]: l7 m7 k7 q8 and b has trouble imo
perun [3d\]: even with k2 dead f3 is hard to capture
perun [3d\]: **
Ootakamoku [-\]: silly me, didnt somehow realize n2 ends up dead, rtly shouldnt comment 3 mintues after I wake up
perun [3d\]: with k2 alive i mean
kurai [2d\]: why not drive out into the center?
atarihuana [2d\]: no matter what, something better work for w
perun [3d\]: q8 s5 gisel
perun [3d\]: so after l7 m7 k7 the only move for w is s5 and continues through b q8 q9 r8 
perun [3d\]: w gets only useless thickness in result
ffillets [2k\]: q8 instead of s5
perun [3d\]: unless there is some clever tesuji in LR
BGAadmin [-\]: q8 s5 q5 ladders
gisel [-\]: ok perun, after s5 w q5 and gets ko - w has few threats to make k2 live
kurai [2d\]: what would bagaller do?
atarihuana [2d\]: can b just m7 l6 n8 k6 r14  ?
perun [3d\]: well b has threats in ladder
K5 [5k?\]: q5 looks better than q8
perun [3d\]: 3 threats in ladder is enough here
Ootakamoku [-\]: keep it simple and play m7 and driving tesuji to move out, without helping j3 stones
mohel [3d?\]: after much consideration
Ootakamoku [-\]: aargh, I give up
perun [3d\]: wait, b has 4 threats in ladder
r0n1n [1d\]: so, white's plan is to connect m7 sente to play q5 ?
wade [5d\]: k4 j5 n1 then what?
perun [3d\]: so it is more than enough
mohel [3d?\]: m7 l6 k6 l7 k7 x s5/R4 looks best
perun [3d\]: so my continuation is k4 j5 l7 and gg :)
weiqidevil [-\]: i thought m7 gets answered by l7?
perun [3d\]: m7 is bad and l7 before  k4 is bad too because of potential ko
perun [3d\]: wade, I think it is better to l7 than n1 
perun [3d\]: but in the end both are more than good for b
wade [5d\]: with m7 w get ponnuki outside...
mohel [3d?\]: oops
perun [3d\]: l7 not m7 
perun [3d\]: no ponnuki
Kobor42 [?\]: w+time? "Resigned because too afraid to move"
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;B[lm]C[kurai [2d\]: wow
perun [3d\]: b goes for the dafest route
perun [3d\]: too afrain to lose this :)
perun [3d\]: thats not good news
akbnm: maybe l7 atari
perun [3d\]: safest*
kurai [2d\]: l7 is the safest route?
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;W[km]C[akbnm: only route for w
kurai [2d\]: pretty sure this is th emost damaging -.-
perun [3d\]: yes, it is worst
akbnm: already bad game for w
perun [3d\]: but less room for mistake
akbnm: patient
kurai [2d\]: l2 has lived, so now f3 is less unkillable
skwisgaar [3d\]: not yet
wade [5d\]: k4 j5 n1 then l2 dies
perun [3d\]: yes, but then there is no point in m7 l7 exchange
perun [3d\]: its pure loss
wade [5d\]: i agree
BGAadmin [-\]: Almost caugh up on time. black 90 minutes plays 87 minutes
kmr [1d\]: black will take N8 i think
mohel [3d?\]: "black 90 minutes plays 87 minutes" ?
Shinichi56 [-\]: r4 one day
BGAadmin [-\]: both sides have about 87 minutes left on the clock...
skwisgaar [3d\]: i think b can k4 now
Bryci [6k\]: id say he has to n1
skwisgaar [3d\]: before m7 if b k4 w could just take away libs and strenghten his position, then go back and kill r6
skwisgaar [3d\]: now r6 still able to live
r0n1n [1d\]: k4 seems interesting skwisgaar
Bryci [6k\]: l3  dies if r4 
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;B[io]C[r0n1n [1d\]: :o
Svilder: m8
gisel [-\]: seems like b cant decide what he wants to do...
kurai [2d\]: stuff is happening -.-
perun [3d\]: j5 is ok
perun [3d\]: w will have cutting point wall alter
akbnm: m8 and h5 BR corner miai
Weishenme [4d\]: I don't see any solution for w
wade [5d\]: perun for now ^^
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;W[ho]C[akbnm: anyway m8
Shinichi56 [-\]: ponnuki is the solution
kcharris12 [1k\]: k4
Weishenme [4d\]: h6
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;B[jp]C[skwisgaar [3d\]: nice
skwisgaar [3d\]: j5 was good creates h6 cut for later
atarihuana [2d\]: cut now :P
]
;W[ll]C[atarihuana [2d\]: so w taes`?
wade [5d\]: s7 
mohel [3d?\]: +1
theolddan [2d\]: s7 and be happy
skwisgaar [3d\]: r4 is clean
wade [5d\]: s7 s5 r9 b is ok
K5 [5k?\]: Is S7 dirty?
skwisgaar [3d\]: kinda
theolddan [2d\]: ok better aji
kurai [2d\]: possibly -.-
theolddan [2d\]: you are right
]
;B[qp]C[atarihuana [2d\]: s7 wasnt safe
akbnm: hard but noresgin yet for w
kcharris12 [1k\]: why not s7?
atarihuana [2d\]: this leaves no aji, no forcing moves for w later
K5 [5k?\]: Was M7 l7 useful?
kcharris12 [1k\]: i think s7 would be better here
theolddan [2d\]: well q8 is left for w but thats ok 
chestr [2d\]: and h4 now
theolddan [2d\]: for b
wade [5d\]: 40 pts corner not so bad
NomGhost [6k\]: omg b++++++++++++++++
]
;W[cf]C[atarihuana [2d\]: w s7 is not even sente now...
atarihuana [2d\]: w  has no good move there anymore
kcharris12 [1k\]: s5
theolddan [2d\]: easy game for b i would say
Debpizza [18k?\]: Bad admin? 
Bryci [6k\]: w still has h6  to worry about
]
;B[gc]C[kurai [2d\]:  why suddenly comment about the admins?
akbnm: admin is sleeping now
BGAadmin [-\]: Just because I'm not talking so much...
Svilder: w needs a monster moyo now
theolddan [2d\]: d11 looks like a must for w
theolddan [2d\]: but w largely ahead
theolddan [2d\]: b
]
;W[pe]C[kurai [2d\]: was about to say -.-
BGAadmin [-\]: I did like K4; two empty triangles in one move tesuji
BGAadmin [-\]: That's not a shape you see often.
atarihuana [2d\]: 3
kurai [2d\]: empty triangles are the goal of life
NomGhost [6k\]: it's just a myth that they're bad shape
]
;B[oe]C[NomGhost [6k\]: perpetuated to keep amateurs from finding the best tesuji
BGAadmin [-\]: Sorry, I can't count; that's one reason I'm only 1D
kcharris12 [1k\]: p16?
]
;W[qc]C[wade [5d\]: b2bomber ftw
Svilder: w seriously tries to win or is he just playing on to please the audience?
kurai [2d\]: they've both done a handful of unadvisable things
NomGhost [6k\]: The rest of this game could be very fun if white manages to start a huge fight
mohel [3d?\]: w already lost a huge fight
Svilder: r9 is huge for b
BGAadmin [-\]: Which doesn't mean he'd lose the next one.
Svilder: monstermoyo or bust
SiaTex [4k\]: white still playing?
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes. There's a lot of mistakes for black to not make yet
mohel [3d?\]: P16
SiaTex [4k\]: he has 50 points
SiaTex [4k\]: at the bot
SiaTex [4k\]: its like 3 coreners
eleven21: w must be curious how the thickness works
mohel [3d?\]: p16 r16 l16 
]
;B[od]C[Javaness [2d\]: not very easy for white to generate any control over the game, even with that center
quizzle: Excuse feeble understanding, but is k3 alive?
mohel [3d?\]: y
Svilder: w needs 3 kos are 1 huge ko to win
BGAadmin [-\]: White would need h4 to stop the snapback; then black can liberty race with k2
]
;W[qd]C[SiaTex [4k\]: ye
]
;B[of]C[quizzle: Thanks mohel -- cuts its way out if w h4?
]
;W[kd]C[Svilder: no kills m2
mohel [3d?\]: P14 is a bit greedy
quizzle: ok, yeah, thanks
]
;B[pf]
;W[qf]C[K5 [5k?\]: I think black F4 is big
]
;B[qg]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: cut?
]
;W[pg]
;B[rf]
;W[qe]
;B[qh]C[Bryci [6k\]: i wonder why b wants this fight
BGAadmin [-\]: So do I
Javaness [2d\]: lack of discipline
akbnm: w has q8 kiki
K5 [5k?\]: seems proper
]
;W[ph]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: i think b thought he could threaten corner
]
;B[qi]C[Svilder: b wants to go home early instead of playing 6h into yose
Bryci [6k\]: if p14  gets killed, game turned around ^^
]
;W[re]
;B[pi]C[akbnm: o13
]
;W[oh]C[BGAadmin [-\]: More empty triangles :-)
Svilder: b wants to kill m8 ;-)
atarihuana [2d\]: r11 at q11, no?
atarihuana [2d\]: more pressure
akbnm: I guessed o13 if b  p10 w q8 kiki
]
;B[oi]
;W[nh]C[alexrix [?\]: o13 o12
Svilder: b should pass now and double the stakes
kmr [1d\]: i think black chose not good joeski here, if it was joseki afterall
LATTE [8k\]: andrew seems to be leading
kcharris12 [1k\]: p14 joseki?
kmr [1d\]: yes he was leading after first innacuracy
K5 [5k?\]: Hey Svilder, that's a good idea. Add the backgammon system to go. Can pass and opponent must resign or play on with double the stakes
Bryci [6k\]: p14 = you dont get any points :D
atarihuana [2d\]: r11 feels really costly w getting s15 and cut
kcharris12 [1k\]: p14 was safe but the cut at least was questionable
SiaTex [4k\]: r18 is sente right?
K5 [5k?\]: I liked R11 at Q11
K5 [5k?\]: R18 probably good timing to ask now
mohel [3d?\]: P14 should be at L16
okconde: m14
SiaTex [4k\]: r9 n17 r18 ?
kmr [1d\]: white got splitting attack, black got nothing - huge succes for white
kcharris12 [1k\]: s8?
BGAadmin [-\]: 60 minutes left for black; 77 for white
Bryci [6k\]: whats the best way to connect?r9  orr10 ?
Javaness [2d\]: is it still a minute per move overtime
BGAadmin [-\]: I'd have to check
Javaness [2d\]: black slightly reckless looking here, splitting himself like this
atarihuana [2d\]: m14
]
;B[le]C[akbnm: s10?
kcharris12 [1k\]: m12
]
;W[pl]
;B[ro]
;W[ke]C[BGAadmin [-\]: And overtime is 10 stones in 10 minutes
quizzle2: repeatedly?
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes
quizzle2: Ta. Btw quizzle the first is floating somewhere in a space i no nothing about
Bryci [6k\]: i like the hane here
leachy [2k\]: seems like b doing his best to give w a fighting chance in the game
quizzle2: neighbour's wifi dropped out (again) and had to log back in to KGS but this time quizzle was still there.
]
;B[rk]C[quizzle2: hope he doesnt go rogue on us
kcharris12 [1k\]: s13 :)
Bryci [6k\]: uh? dont you usually have a password four your wlan? ^^
kcharris12 [1k\]: its recommended
quizzle2: no, im in as a guest. i wonder if quizzle will be trapped in kgs for ever. ps that last move cant be any good cos i thought of it too
kcharris12 [1k\]: oh ok :(
leachy [2k\]: well practically b++ here
]
;W[mc]C[leachy [2k\]: didn't see that move made life so easily but w a slim chance
]
;B[qb]
;W[rb]
;B[ob]
;W[qa]
;B[pa]
;W[pb]
;B[lg]
;W[mi]
;B[qb]
;W[qm]
;B[po]
;W[pb]C[KwonYuri [1d\]: is this uberdude vs warfreak?
quizzle2: Y
Genghis [2k\]: which is which?
quizzle2: uber b
Svilder: its basically uberdude vs uberdude and warfreak is the spectator curiously watching if b manages to suicide
Genghis [2k\]: ahh good : )
BGAadmin [-\]: I'm trying to work out if black winning this ko is sente against the  rest of the white corner
quizzle2: see how b handles o/t
Svilder: bga of course
pancake [3d\]: B got himself into a remarkable amount of trouble
kcharris12 [1k\]: b could t14
Svilder: o11
PaYPPPP [3k\]: should w k4 stones? it seems to me so big and w can potentially get all points on the left side
BGAadmin [-\]: On which note :- black has 30 minutes main time left. White has 68 minutes main time left
quizzle2: whats on the clock now pls admin?
quizzle2: Ha u read my mind
Alligato [2d\]: P19
oasthouse [-\]: r8
oasthouse [-\]: no l14
oasthouse [-\]: hard for b to win ko, so protect weaker group
BGAadmin [-\]: l14 looks like nice shape to me. The only question is whether the r11 group would be OK
oasthouse [-\]: I think r11 would be ok
kcharris12 [1k\]: looks like r11 dies if w s13
kcharris12 [1k\]: and has sente after...
Javaness [2d\]: isn't m11 more fun
kcharris12 [1k\]: ko here seems like a waiste for w
kcharris12 [1k\]: n17 could have been s13 forcing b to either save r11 or get attacked
oasthouse [-\]: hmm l14 has a problem in that w could play k14 k13 n14
]
;B[mj]C[oasthouse [-\]: so b could play m16 first, though it's a bit ugly
oasthouse [-\]: n10 surprising
BGAadmin [-\]: Well, catching the cutting stones is a solid ko threat. Looks to hurt the top though
oasthouse [-\]: but can b really win the ko? w has lower side threats
oasthouse [-\]: if b moves his m13 group out then he can look forward to attacking l16 later. seems an easier way to play
Svilder: soon b will play l6 and kill the wall
]
;W[lj]
;B[qb]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Also, might be something to do with making s10 more of a threat for black
pancake [3d\]: white has 6 kothreats on the lower side. What the hell is B doing?
hinstock [?\]: black is hoping to win the ko in sente?
oasthouse [-\]: h4
Svilder: 7 ko threats at bot are too many
BGAadmin [-\]: I think there's a big question as to whether w s13, bs12, wt14 and can white kill if black answers a ko threat
K5 [5k?\]: Is h4 big enough?
BGAadmin [-\]: And 57 minutes left for white, 22 mintes left for black (main time)
]
;W[ra]C[oasthouse [-\]: maybe you're right and h4 wasn't big enough
BGAadmin [-\]: My thinking was whether white could get h4 and keep the top right alive
Svilder: b played 2 gote at right side and is still in danger
oasthouse [-\]: I think w could keep it alive. I think h4 was ok
]
;B[mb]
;W[nc]
;B[lc]
;W[ld]C[BGAadmin [-\]: 10 min main for b; 55 for w
]
;B[nb]
;W[kc]
;B[lb]
;W[me]C[Eilinen [-\]: Hmm did they start like 6-7 hours ago?
Svilder: do the math
Svilder: I believe in you!!
Svilder: n13 is sente vs r12
BGAadmin [-\]: 10.30 or so, so yep (with 1 hour for lunch)
oasthouse [-\]: I think getting out in the centre would have been better for b
Svilder: m18 looked wrong
]
;B[jb]C[oasthouse [-\]: you mean n18?
Svilder: m18
]
;W[rl]
;B[qk]
;W[ql]
;B[sf]C[Svilder: q18 ko now much bigger
]
;W[se]C[quizzle2: can black kill corner?
]
;B[sh]
;W[rg]
;B[sg]
;W[si]
;B[rh]C[clydesdale [3k\]: no
BGAadmin [-\]: black looks happy to have n10 now
]
;W[kb]
;B[ka]C[Svilder: w wastes ko threats...
BGAadmin [-\]: b, 5 min main time. w, 48 min main time
clydesdale [3k\]: what's the byo-yomi?
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 in 10 repeating
Svilder: w monster moyo plan is working so far
]
;W[fc]C[kcharris12 [1k\]: m14
]
;B[fd]C[Svilder: m14 bad
]
;W[ib]C[Svilder: i think w wins
]
;B[jc]C[pancake [3d\]: Black is trying pretty hard to lose
Svilder: he has too much to juggle
]
;W[ic]
;B[jd]
;W[id]
;B[je]
;W[ie]
;B[jf]C[Svilder: ugh
pancake [3d\]: this was not a very sophisticated sequence by w :p
Svilder: n13 and e17
Svilder: and soon after start the ko
]
;W[mg]C[pancake [3d\]: just J14 seems good
BGAadmin [-\]: Has to watch out for t9 now
pancake [3d\]: aha that works now..
]
;B[ni]C[BGAadmin [-\]: And black is into byomi
BGAadmin [-\]: w has 42 min main time left
]
;W[nj]C[K5 [5k?\]: P10?
Svilder: maybe m12 first
]
;B[lh]
;W[mh]
;B[oj]
;W[if]
;B[lf]
;W[mf]
;B[ig]
;W[hg]C[akbnm: hmmm
Svilder: o9 all in for ko
akbnm: upper b 1 eye?
akbnm: seems gg now
]
;B[ih]C[quizzle: Oh! Now I'm quizzle again and I've lost control of q2
Svilder: q2 dead
quizzle: I meant qquizzle2, my alter id, not q2 otb
]
;W[ec]
;B[ed]
;W[gb]C[quizzle: which isnt dead anyway, so yeah, ic q2 off list how u do that?
Svilder: o9 go go
mohel [3d?\]: even if b makes little to no more points and w gets left side... b's ahead by 10 pts
saijung13: how about the time?
Svilder: i count w+71,5
]
;B[ce]
;W[df]
;B[dc]C[quizzle: b in 2nd ot now?
BGAadmin [-\]: 2 stons left. c 2 minutes
]
;W[hh]
;B[ii]C[quizzle: oops w big moyo plan not so good now?
]
;W[hi]
;B[ij]C[BGAadmin [-\]: b out of 1st ot with 25 seconds to spare
quizzle: nice!
]
;W[hp]C[Svilder: b going to kill m8 soon 
]
;B[ms]C[Svilder: I thought you used analog clocks?
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes, but they've got seconds by the flag
mohel [3d?\]: G9 ~
Svilder: ah
]
;W[cn]C[mohel [3d?\]: pffft
Svilder: the ko is getting bigger and bigger
]
;B[hj]C[TobyM [3k?\]: Which ko?
]
;W[gj]C[oasthouse [-\]: o9
TobyM [3k?\]: It's not ko
TobyM [3k?\]: The black group is alive, surely?
oasthouse [-\]: ko to capture some w stones
]
;B[gk]C[Svilder: dftt
mohel [3d?\]: b could l14 if he had to
BGAadmin [-\]: But ko at r18 is v big if black doesn't back down
Alligato [2d\]: w has P17
TobyM [3k?\]: Ko at Q18 (B cannot fight this ko) captures 5 stones on P16, etc... 
mohel [3d?\]: 12 pts gote is a bit small
kmr [1d\]: white must work on his moyo
]
;W[fk]
;B[nk]C[Alligato [2d\]: double ko
TobyM [3k?\]: What? explain.
Alligato [2d\]: w can fight ko at N10 and Q18
TobyM [3k?\]: OK
BGAadmin [-\]: w 30 minutes main time left
Alligato [2d\]: w N9, b M11, w P17, b Q16
]
;W[mk]C[saijung13: black time?
]
;B[li]C[Alligato [2d\]: b bette connect at Q18
BGAadmin [-\]: 5 stones and 7 minutes in 2nd ot
]
;W[nj]C[TobyM [3k?\]: Q18 is not relevant - it's ponly 12 points in gote. 
oasthouse [-\]: isn't w p9 sente against the b hs group?
TobyM [3k?\]: No.
saijung13: thanks
oasthouse [-\]: ah, so it isn't
]
;B[gd]
;W[gf]
;B[mj]C[Svilder: b should use the ko to play p17
Alligato [2d\]: P17
TobyM [3k?\]: It looks as if B is looking at H6 
oasthouse [-\]: yes p17 :)
Alligato [2d\]: now Q18 is relevant
Svilder: if b can save p17 in sente then he wins easily
BGAadmin [-\]: if p17 now, b connects q18. If w cuts, then b connects ko and seki
TobyM [3k?\]: If B wins this ko then th4e group is in seki
Alligato [2d\]: what's the ko for
Svilder: saving p16 stones in sente
TobyM [3k?\]: Two reasons: a) if he wins this ko then he saves his 5 stones  P16 etc. b) it preapres to play at H6 - the white group M8 etc might have difficulty making 2 ruesien 
Alligato [2d\]: then, connect Q18 before the ko
TobyM [3k?\]: sorry 2 eyes
KwonYuri [1d\]: :/
KwonYuri [1d\]: how do you mistype eyes as ruesien
Svilder: he is gifted
quizzle: he loves someone called ruesien
oasthouse [-\]: hands shif right by one on qwertyuiop
]
;W[oc]C[Svilder: b should have played p17 area instead of g16
Alligato [2d\]: instead of M11
]
;B[kj]C[Svilder: m11 was good
]
;W[nj]
;B[md]
;W[nd]
;B[mj]C[BGAadmin [-\]: And blacks into ot 3
]
;W[lk]C[Svilder: 3 times 10/10?
BGAadmin [-\]: Yes. Just starting
]
;B[pb]C[Svilder: 3 hours + 3 times 10/10 and the match best of 5 played throughout a couple of weeks. Even the meijin title matches look poor to that format
]
;W[pd]C[Alligato [2d\]: cut
quizzle: so, last ot?
ooohBetty: Third overtime at move 180 is really quite quick for AS.
]
;B[cq]
;W[dq]C[Svilder: nice call alligato
Alligato [2d\]: ta
quizzle: or any no of repeats as i understood b4, pls, admin
BGAadmin [-\]: All the ot periods you can handle
]
;B[dr]C[kmr [1d\]: Meijin is best of seven 8h each plus byo, with sealed move i believe.
]
;W[er]
;B[cr]
;W[eq]
;B[bo]
;W[bn]
;B[co]C[Alligato [2d\]: you mean longest
quizzle: Well, must go shopping at some point, tbh
KwonYuri [1d\]: g2 something?
ooohBetty: Isn't Meijin still 9h?
Alligato [2d\]: I would play C4 instead of D3
kmr [1d\]: or 9h, i am not sure, maybe you are right
kmr [1d\]: still longer than this :)
Svilder: they can shake hands now
]
;W[ao]C[K5 [5k?\]: w going for kill? Seems correct
KwonYuri [1d\]: lol
BGAadmin [-\]: 15 minutes main for w. 3 stones in 4mins ot 3
]
;B[ap]C[saijung13: ko
quizzle: KwonYuri, u laughing at my joke? He never denied it. in uk u can draw inferences from silence in law!
kmr [1d\]: what rules they play?JP with 7.5 komi?
Svilder: c4
quizzle: Toby, u love some1 called suerien?
]
;W[cp]
;B[bp]
;W[ar]C[ooohBetty: Rules based on AGA kmr
]
;B[do]C[Shinichi56 [-\]: french rules is the best
KwonYuri [1d\]: f4 sente
Svilder: LOL
ooohBetty: French are essentially the same
Muttley [2k\]: I don't think w can kill these stones
Svilder: b should have played f4 and kill the whole center
kmr [1d\]: french fries my be best, but not rules ;)
Alligato [2d\]: it's a close game, but w made a big gamble here
]
;W[fp]C[quizzle: essentially, but they would say vive la difference
]
;B[gr]C[K5 [5k?\]: Now b2?
BGAadmin [-\]: And ot number 4
Muttley [2k\]: b2 d1
Muttley [2k\]: go figure
]
;W[br]C[K5 [5k?\]: d1 b3
Weed [1d\]: ya
Muttley [2k\]: hmm
KwonYuri [1d\]: uberdude loves stealing corners
KwonYuri [1d\]: would be cool if this dies
saijung13: noooooooo
oasthouse [-\]: h6 now?
saijung13: T_T
Shinichi56 [-\]: the longest hair will win
Svilder: head hair?
TobyM [3k?\]: B2 Then D1 threatens to connect or live?
Alligato [2d\]: D7
Shinichi56 [-\]: d6 
Muttley [2k\]: I agree with d6
]
;B[bq]C[Svilder: d8 and live
]
;W[fr]
;B[ls]C[Alligato [2d\]: b can give up the ccorner 
Svilder: h6 and kill all now
]
;W[gs]C[TobyM [3k?\]: H6 cut still a problem for W
]
;B[ks]C[Eilinen [-\]: Been quite many hours : )
Eilinen [-\]: I remember that I asked how many hours they have played before, but forgot to check answer
jameshut [?\]: is there another break for tea?
]
;W[gl]
;B[eo]
;W[ep]C[jameshut [?\]: where tea = evening meal
Svilder: I foresaw m8 getting killed before m8 was even played
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't think so.
Svilder: c8
quizzle: if u die of hunger is it a draw?
Alligato [2d\]: w should have two atari before connect B3
Alligato [2d\]: b
Svilder: b should have played f4
Svilder: h6 now
ooohBetty: Break for tea? You could cut lunch to 40 mins and have 20 mins for tea as in cricket.
]
;B[hn]C[Svilder: kill center AND f4
akbnm: ?
Alligato [2d\]: any use?
akbnm: g6 OK I think
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 minutes main time left for w. 5 mins and 5 stone ot 4 for b
Svilder: makes c8 even more powerful
TobyM [3k?\]: Even centre is only ko at the worst
Svilder: but a HUGE ko
ooohBetty: Perhaps bad light will stop play?
]
;W[gn]
;B[hm]C[akbnm: g7
]
;W[hl]C[Alligato [2d\]: b in trouble
akbnm: cool
Alligato [2d\]: bamboo is better
Svilder: k6 atari into freedom
TobyM [3k?\]: B K6 J7 K7 T6 and try to kill the centre?
K5 [5k?\]: K6 k7?
TobyM [3k?\]: (with ko)
TobyM [3k?\]: Ah. K6 W k8
KwonYuri [1d\]: w looks connected
saijung13: i dont knoe d8 work?
Dyonn [?\]: AK 7-0 in his title match individual games before today
Shinichi56 [-\]: d8 b8 
TobyM [3k?\]: D8 C7
saijung13: b 9
KwonYuri [1d\]: k7 maybe?
TobyM [3k?\]: C9 threatens B12 or D7
]
;B[dl]
;W[dm]
;B[em]C[saijung13: hehe
]
;W[cl]
;B[ck]C[saijung13: i know what my lovely think
Alligato [2d\]: looks B3 is a fatal mistake
ooohBetty: My lovely think I've been watching this for far too long, and that Strictly is on ...
TobyM [3k?\]: E8 D9 E6 ... and can B live on the side?
KwonYuri [1d\]: black has f7 sente
BGAadmin [-\]: there's really, really crude lines that give b an eye at e6, unless I've misread
TobyM [3k?\]: I think yu have misread
BGAadmin [-\]: 5 minutes main for w. About 20 secs to play the last stone in this ot for b
TobyM [3k?\]: If B F5, WG7
BGAadmin [-\]: Right
]
;W[el]
;B[fm]C[mohel [3d?\]: this doesn't work...
mohel [3d?\]: for w
mohel [3d?\]: B could've D9 too
rats [2d?\]: this is the end, my only friend
BGAadmin [-\]: And ot 5 starts
Javaness [2d\]: you can never have enough OT
]
;W[gm]
;B[dk]C[oasthouse [-\]: maybe w should have gone d9
oasthouse [-\]: now b will surely get something
ooohBetty: 5th OT, Nick Kremple would be proud.
Alligato [2d\]: had w played F6 instead of H8
Weed [1d\]: :)
BGAadmin [-\]: And w gets first ot
oasthouse [-\]: I thought d9 was the key point for both
mohel [3d?\]: w double hane could have worked
mohel [3d?\]: technically triple hane
]
;W[bk]C[ooohBetty: I hope they plan on finishing before the rugby.
Alligato [2d\]: it is good for b to have a ko
]
;B[dn]C[rats [2d?\]: well see if it's even ko in the end
rats [2d?\]: *we'll
jameshut [?\]: which match is tonight?
]
;W[cm]C[ooohBetty: England - Wales
jameshut [?\]: ah, the big one :-)
ooohBetty: Only two of Eng, Wal, Aus can go through
KwonYuri [1d\]: b corner has surprisinly little liberties
Svilder2: with p17 saved in sente b could play much more relaxed now
Svilder2: d8 should have been c8
]
;B[bj]
;W[bl]C[oasthouse [-\]: I was wrong about d9. g7 was necessary.
]
;B[ci]
;W[am]
;B[ak]C[Svilder2: 1 million step ko
rats [2d?\]: looks like white gets something here
Alligato [2d\]: looks w lost
Svilder2: yes b+r
Svilder2: e6
]
;W[en]
;B[fn]
;W[fo]C[KwonYuri [1d\]: this ko is so big, b might ignore h1
kmr [1d\]: would be funny if white would win this ko....but he wont
rats [2d?\]: black b1 i think
kmr [1d\]: Go Uberdude!!
KwonYuri [1d\]: m19 is a good threat
oasthouse [-\]: b1 seems to be a ko too
]
;B[an]C[KwonYuri [1d\]: s17 is a glorious threat for b
hinstock [?\]: why now?
]
;W[ds]C[Alligato [2d\]: A10
Svilder2: a6 shows b got nerves
TobyM [3k?\]: B c1 then B1 to get more liberties, or E1 for double kpo
mathejames [2d\]: a6 loosing move
Svilder2: ^
mathejames [2d\]: only a fool knows ko to take last
TobyM [3k?\]: that is what I thought
KwonYuri [1d\]: metinks yee misquothed that
TobyM [3k?\]: but it is not too impoprtant
TobyM [3k?\]: so long as one does not waste threats
]
;B[cs]C[quizzle: yeah. *even* a fool -- else i wdv known it
]
;W[es]C[Svilder2: but b gets sth from this ko nonetheless so he will be fine, I think
oasthouse [-\]: yes
KwonYuri [1d\]: wasting liberties and kothreats is equivalent here
rats [2d?\]: can we have the BGAadmin tell us the facial expressions now?
Svilder2: kill d14
]
;B[aj]C[rubicon [-\]: long ko for w
]
;W[fl]
;B[en]C[rubicon [-\]: but a10 should be at b1 ?
rats [2d?\]: of course not long
rats [2d?\]: b1 here
]
;W[bs]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: of course a10 should be b1, mistake
rubicon [-\]: yeah
rubicon [-\]: big mistake
KwonYuri [1d\]: b has two threats at s17
tuquedenne [4d\]: lot of sad mistakes for uberdude in the fights apart from the first :)
Svilder2: they play like kyus now after such a long battle
BGAadmin [-\]: Into ot 2 and ot 6
KwonYuri [1d\]: w only has m19 afaic
KwonYuri [1d\]: hm, maybe k19 too
kmr [1d\]: so million step ko became one step? :D
rubicon [-\]: a10 was big mistake...
BGAadmin [-\]: Appear fairly concentrating. W just asked for a glass of water
oasthouse [-\]: still b ok
rubicon [-\]: if a10 at b1, at least b captures the ko first
Javaness [2d\]: still or mineral?
quizzle: glass of water tesuji!
mathejames [2d\]: b lost
oasthouse [-\]: w will win the ko and b will get something like f10 ko threat
Svilder2: b wins
oasthouse [-\]: which is enough
BGAadmin [-\]: still. No obvious vodka :-)
rubicon [-\]: and has a local threat too
mathejames [2d\]: o10 ko remaining
rats [2d?\]: after a7, white was always going to get something
tuquedenne [4d\]: s17 is an annoying threat
gogol1er [1d\]: so to speak
Svilder2: b still wins
ooohBetty: Nothing in the rules against vodka BGAadmin?
rubicon [-\]: yes, 3 threats at top right tuquedenne
BGAadmin [-\]: Not that I know of
TobyM [3k?\]: B cn afford to lose the corner if he can make the group on th side live??play 
tuquedenne [4d\]: mmh depends if the BGA is considered as a sport
]
;B[im]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: we had this problem in WMSG :)
rubicon [-\]: i dislike j7 a lot
mathejames [2d\]: what is this?
TobyM [3k?\]: trying tl kill the centre
oasthouse [-\]: j7 seems risky, but then he probably has a plan
saijung13: i dont know
KwonYuri [1d\]: with n10 ko remaining running those out isnt a great threat
rubicon [-\]: he aims to kill the right side
TobyM [3k?\]: W j8
rubicon [-\]: but seems too crazy to me
Svilder2: b needs to go out into fresh air for 3 minutes
]
;W[il]
;B[al]
;W[ao]C[oasthouse [-\]: gonna transfer the ko
]
;B[jm]C[TheThe [4k\]: high stakes
Svilder: a3 must
mathejames [2d\]: i do not understand b
wry [2d\]: wow, Andrew so far ahead
gogol1er [1d\]: which andrew?
mathejames [2d\]: k7 no threat
BGAadmin [-\]: 7hrs 20 mins of go?
]
;W[aq]C[TheThe [4k\]: my eyes
]
;B[jl]
;W[nj]C[rats [2d?\]: whee
rats [2d?\]: this game is over
Svilder: e13
kaefer [?\]: b wasted local threats
]
;B[fj]
;W[gi]
;B[mj]C[Alligato [2d\]: B12
]
;W[sk]C[KwonYuri [1d\]: l8 l6 t7 w can use as local threat, or at least two of these
KwonYuri [1d\]: oh nvm, l7 no threat
]
;B[pk]C[oasthouse [-\]: If b had played f10 when fighting the other ko, w would not be able to respond. This ko is much fuzzier
]
;W[nj]C[oasthouse [-\]: s17 I guess
rats [2d?\]: and we all know what fuzzy kos usually are like
Alligato [2d\]: E13
]
;B[rc]C[Svilder: is this enough?
KwonYuri [1d\]: 3 threats there, oh wow
oasthouse [-\]: not obviously
KwonYuri [1d\]: unless w ignores
oasthouse [-\]: aargh. b had the game sewn up...
]
;W[sc]
;B[mj]
;W[rj]
;B[qj]
;W[nj]C[KwonYuri [1d\]: s16, hihi
Alligato [2d\]: B14
BGAadmin [-\]: ot lost count for b. 3 for w
]
;B[rd]C[Alligato [2d\]: w B14 is enough
akbnm: b can more t18 threat
K5 [5k?\]: C11 status?
oasthouse [-\]: I think w can ignore
Alligato [2d\]: P9 then B14
oasthouse [-\]: and be ahead a little
tuquedenne [4d\]: if w ignores, are you sure he's alive? :)
jameshut [?\]: :-)
tuquedenne [4d\]: (in sente)
oasthouse [-\]: I mean w p9 b t16 w b15
tuquedenne [4d\]: because if he isn't it's a severe loss
oasthouse [-\]: what is the danger?
Fredda [6d?\]: of course he is alive
tuquedenne [4d\]: well then b t6, I think the whole white is dead
kaefer [?\]: o9 n8 eyes
tuquedenne [4d\]: oh no
tuquedenne [4d\]: I'm blind
tuquedenne [4d\]: and w isn't
Weed [1d\]: :D
rats [2d?\]: white shouldn't ignore
Alligato [2d\]: P9 make two yeys
BGAadmin [-\]: w thinking hard about this one
oasthouse [-\]: anyone count?
Alligato [2d\]: b can live with B12
tuquedenne [4d\]: ok, I count :)
]
;W[sd]C[oasthouse [-\]: I'm thinking w p9 is about w+10
]
;B[mj]C[oasthouse [-\]: now b will use his bigger ko threats around b14 :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: BGAadmin, which rules are used?
oasthouse [-\]: or e14
akbnm: j19?
Weed [1d\]: aga
BGAadmin [-\]: I tihnk it's aga 7.5 komi
ss37 [4d\]: s17 is funny threat
tuquedenne [4d\]: thanks
Alligato [2d\]: w can simply win with P9 and B14
]
;W[db]C[KwonYuri [1d\]: b has h18 , doesnt he?
oasthouse [-\]: b o10 :)
wry [2d\]: w lives if h18
Javaness [2d\]: what a silly game
Svilder: man so many exchanges to count
]
;B[cb]C[wry [2d\]: b has to c18 
]
;W[nj]
;B[rc]
;W[sb]
;B[mj]C[oasthouse [-\]: that was w's last chance to ignore before the stakes go up :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: See that ludicrous display last night, Java?
BGAadmin [-\]: w hesitant about this ko threat...
Alligato [2d\]: is E13 enough
]
;W[bf]C[Alligato [2d\]: for b
KwonYuri [1d\]: ignore, come on
oasthouse [-\]: b14 looks improbable :)
Alligato [2d\]: b has no choice now
wry [2d\]: maybe ignoring upper right would have been the best choice for w
ss37 [4d\]: they offer each other huge exchanges, but resulting difference is surprisingly not very big
Alligato [2d\]: the left middle is dead
oasthouse [-\]: really?
Svilder: e13 so big for b
clydesdale [3k\]: b cant ignore
]
;B[be]C[saijung13: gosh
]
;W[nj]C[Alligato [2d\]: b have to
kaefer [?\]: so b lost threats
]
;B[ef]C[Svilder: this game is so complicated even SE is lost...
tuquedenne [4d\]: :)
]
;W[eg]C[wry [2d\]: SE is never lost
]
;B[mj]C[wry [2d\]: SE shows is the way, praise SE
TheThe [4k\]: SE thinks it's japanese rules so you have to clone and change the rules before trying
]
;W[cc]
;B[eb]
;W[nj]C[KwonYuri [1d\]: but rules here are japanese
TheThe [4k\]: aga 7.5 komi I heard
Svilder: 4k´s finest
KwonYuri [1d\]: go to options, rules
KwonYuri [1d\]: demo uses japanese
BGAadmin [-\]: That's right. But it shouldn't make much difference
wade [5d\]: f13 any time soon
TheThe [4k\]: demo settings are wrong
ooohBetty: Rules are AGA
KwonYuri [1d\]: yes but with jap rules you can just use SE is the point
Nyanjilla [-\]: please don't use that abbreviation, KwonYuri
Nyanjilla [-\]: use "jp" or "jpn" if you must abbreviate
KwonYuri [1d\]: Im not a racist, just lazy
KwonYuri [1d\]: I see
ooohBetty: why, oh I thought you meant SE?!?
]
;B[ff]C[Svilder: ignore?
BGAadmin [-\]: And next ot (hence slow move)
TheThe [4k\]: will this ko evern end
Svilder: d13 b13 aji
Shambahala [9k\]: What does SE?
Svilder: count
]
;W[fb]C[BGAadmin [-\]: And w's next OT
Svilder: did they order pizza taxi?
]
;B[da]C[BGAadmin [-\]: No time to eat pizza in OT
rats [2d?\]: are they still fighting that ko?
BGAadmin [-\]: Looks that way
Svilder: p9 now
]
;W[fg]
;B[mj]C[clydesdale [3k\]: a14
Svilder: h15 enough?
]
;W[js]C[patcher [1d\]: why f18 ?
]
;B[is]C[Svilder: I would pay for a LONG pro review of this game
]
;W[nj]C[clydesdale [3k\]: now a14
]
;B[bh]C[Svilder: including point values of the ko threats
tuquedenne [4d\]: nice threat
rats [2d?\]: wow
wry [2d\]: pro: "I have no idea why they're doing that"
tuquedenne [4d\]: :D
rats [2d?\]: more than just a threat
tuquedenne [4d\]: that's why :)
oasthouse [-\]: was f13 strictly necessary?
Svilder: b wins
BGAadmin [-\]: I don't think white is enjoying that move
TheThe [4k\]: w is just playin'
Svilder: d12
Svilder: b+r
wry [2d\]: lots of threats for b there, no way w can find enough
clydesdale [3k\]: ear reddening move
Svilder: gg boths
]
;W[dh]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: b is dead with w d12 but yeah, he's got too many threats
]
;B[mj]C[Svilder: thanks for transing
kaefer [?\]: it ain't over till the fat lady has sung
]
;W[la]C[ooohBetty: She's well into her warm up
]
;B[ma]
;W[nj]C[oasthouse [-\]: wasn't k19 one fewer theat for w?
tuquedenne [4d\]: I thought the same
oasthouse [-\]: ah maybe not
]
;B[cg]C[oasthouse [-\]: 'cos w l14
BGAadmin [-\]: It was the first thought,
wry [2d\]: and wasn't j19 better threat for w than l19 ?
tuquedenne [4d\]: but w l14 b L13
tuquedenne [4d\]: it's an atari so it costs a lot
]
;W[dg]C[oasthouse [-\]: true
tuquedenne [4d\]: furthermore n16 should be sente after it...
]
;B[mj]C[Svilder: I predicted bs plan at move 82
]
;W[ia]C[oasthouse [-\]: you predicted bs?
]
;B[kf]C[Svilder: yes
oasthouse [-\]: just checking
]
;W[md]C[TheThe [4k\]: eh?
Yukiko [1k\]: k19
TheThe [4k\]: ah irhg
BGAadmin [-\]: Last stone, so read for the next ot
akbnm: end of ko equal end of game
goaway14 [3d\]: why not o10 ?
BGAadmin [-\]: b counting now
mathejames [2d\]: o10 and then d11
goaway14 [3d\]: then k19 
oasthouse [-\]: o10 then k19 and d11 miai
]
;B[ja]
;W[nj]C[mathejames [2d\]: k19 d10
tuquedenne [4d\]: d11 is dead, isn't it?
tuquedenne [4d\]: d11, d10
wry [2d\]: d11 just a threat
oasthouse [-\]: good point
]
;B[di]C[Svilder: k19 must w wins if b ignores
Yukiko [1k\]: N10
mathejames [2d\]: d10 e10
oasthouse [-\]: if w ignores this it's quite close
]
;W[ok]C[TheThe [4k\]: finally
oasthouse [-\]: maybe b ahead a few
goaway14 [3d\]: e10 
Svilder: headache
ooohBetty: It's been too long. My brain is officially broken. 
]
;B[ej]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: it's close, but b should be ahead
oasthouse [-\]: w a13 could be annoying
]
;W[ae]C[tuquedenne [4d\]: like 4 or 5 points ahead
tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah, b17 is a must
wry [2d\]: yes still looks like w could win, very close
]
;B[bc]C[Svilder: super close
tuquedenne [4d\]: yeah, white has sente so he could still dream a bit
tuquedenne [4d\]: t5?
TheThe [4k\]: aga rules w+5 japanese rules b+6
BGAadmin [-\]: how many eyes has w in the top left if b h9?
wry [2d\]: t5 also big
]
;W[so]
;B[sp]
;W[sn]C[patcher [1d\]: b13 gives an eye
tuquedenne [4d\]: w plays a good yose
]
;B[rp]C[patcher [1d\]: oh, dunno
tuquedenne [4d\]: I never understand why a fight-only game like this one often ends in a very close game
Svilder: all b had to do this game is win a won game
oasthouse [-\]: it's uncanny isn't it?
ooohBetty: Best championship game since Bei Ge - MM IMO
x0000 [-\]: I think b wins
mohel [3d?\]: w + a few
Svilder: I think w wins
r0n1n [1d\]: i can't believe that this game actually went until the end
TheThe [4k\]: t8 ?
wry [2d\]: I'd say w too
mohel [3d?\]: 3.5
]
;W[ad]C[Svilder: f19
]
;B[he]
;W[hf]C[kaefer [?\]: h9 
]
;B[ri]C[akbnm: which ahead?
oasthouse [-\]: f19 coming
Muttley [2k\]: w 59.5, b 55 I count, b needs s11
oasthouse [-\]: oh
Muttley [2k\]: he got it :))
Muttley [2k\]: I still have w+0.5 though
tuquedenne [4d\]: Muttley, have you predicted the ko?
]
;W[ac]
;B[ab]C[Muttley [2k\]: not here :)
tuquedenne [4d\]: tsss
akbnm: 7.5 komi
]
;W[jk]C[wry [2d\]: still counts w slightly ahead too yes
oasthouse [-\]: isn't f19 a problem for w?
KwonYuri [1d\]: f19 g19 
x0000 [-\]: w can connect with h9 
wry [2d\]: w still has h9 
tuquedenne [4d\]: next weekend, french championship, so be prepared for a lot of kos
oasthouse [-\]: oh yeah
oasthouse [-\]: so h9 then :)
Muttley [2k\]: thx
oasthouse [-\]: oh man
oasthouse [-\]: Would be cool if this went to 361 moves
Svilder: t10
]
;B[hk]
;W[fa]C[Svilder: h17
]
;B[fi]
;W[fh]C[BGAadmin [-\]: And the next sets of OT
BGAadmin [-\]: w "this game is going on so long'
]
;B[jj]
;W[kl]C[KwonYuri [1d\]: wow, if black loses this I will make fun of his 3-3 invasions dying for a long time to come
]
;B[jn]
;W[bd]
;B[cd]
;W[af]C[TheThe [4k\]: yeah, it's dark outside
wry [2d\]: well, guess you will :)
]
;B[bg]
;W[ag]
;B[ah]
;W[hc]
;B[ea]C[Svilder: t8
]
;W[kn]
;B[sj]
;W[sl]
;B[kk]
;W[ik]C[oasthouse [-\]: I think w may be ahead by 2 ish
]
;B[ge]
;W[ee]
;B[fe]
;W[de]C[ooohBetty: Was that a victory declaration move?
BGAadmin [-\]: and next ot
oasthouse [-\]: with a margin of error of 10 :)
]
;B[ei]
;W[fs]
;B[ek]
;W[eh]
;B[hs]
;W[hd]
;B[ip]
;W[ch]
;B[kp]C[Hellhuman [1d?\]: this game is not really still running is it?
tuquedenne [4d\]: BGAadmin, please thank the players for me -- was a really nice game to watch on a lazy saturday afternoon. Grats Warfreak2!
Hellhuman [1d?\]: Who of them is warfreak?
wry [2d\]: Told you Andrew was winning
Hellhuman [1d?\]: This game took like.. 6 hours?
KwonYuri [1d\]: warfreak is white
clydesdale [3k\]: andrew kay
Svilder: andrew is warfreak hellhuman
KwonYuri [1d\]: uberdude black
Hellhuman [1d?\]: really :D?
Svilder: yes
]
;W[]
;B[]
;W[]C[TheThe [4k\]: Tool -> Score Tool?
Nyanjilla [-\]: technically.... neither of them is warfreak......
])
