(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]
GN[British Championship Match]PW[Junnan Jiang]PB[Charles Hibbert]DT[2017-02-19]RO[3]PC[The Young Chelsea Bridge Club, London]C[BGAadmin [-\]: both players have now arrived
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;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dq]C[SimbaRules [5d?\]: yay, we're off
Warfreak2 [-\]: hoorj
]
;W[pd]
;B[cf]
;W[fc]
;B[ck]C[bleu [5k\]: what is the time control?
BGAadmin [-\]: 3 hours main time then 10 moves in 10 minutes
BGAadmin [-\]: rules can be found here http://www.britgo.org/bchamp/chrules#b
anjarubik [11k\]: uh 3 hr
bleu [5k\]: great, slow games :)
SimbaRules [5d?\]: You can almost here Junnan saying "I wish I'd watched battousai's Chinese lectures now..." lol
SimbaRules [5d?\]: hear*
bleu [5k\]: Grenoble games are like 1 hour + 15 stones in 5 minutes
]
;W[nq]C[anjarubik [11k\]: i guess when they know tons of joseki its hard to choose one
SimbaRules [5d?\]: This is a fairly standard opening pattern, they'll both have seen up to here before many times.
bleu [5k\]: i never saw a kakari in this position; w always splits the bottom
SimbaRules [5d?\]: Looks fine.
bleu [5k\]: then why not played more?
bleu [5k\]: i guess b will pincer
snowman [-\]: which pincer :)
bleu [5k\]: around L4 ;)
]
;B[kp]C[snowman [-\]: good guess
anjarubik [11k\]: applause
]
;W[qn]C[anjarubik [11k\]: p5
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;B[pn]C[begin [-\]: what rank this game?
]
;W[pm]
;B[on]C[SimbaRules [5d?\]: They're both about 4d I think.
]
;W[qq]C[begin [-\]: yep
]
;B[pq]
;W[qp]C[begin [-\]: q2
SimbaRules [5d?\]: nah, r5
begin [-\]: yep
SimbaRules [5d?\]: r7 is also playable
begin [-\]: it good too
begin [-\]: lol
snowman [-\]: r5 looks like the only move
Arahan [7k\]: what about P7?
snowman [-\]: r7 would be ...unexpected
SimbaRules [5d?\]: P7 is played later in the R5 sequence
Nyanjilla [-\]: and entertaining
SimbaRules [5d?\]: once you make white's shape crappy
SimbaRules [5d?\]: and yeah, r5 is a moyoish game, r7 is more fighty
]
;B[qo]
;W[ro]
;B[po]
;W[rm]
;B[mo]C[Arahan [7k\]: isnt n5 narrow?
SimbaRules [5d?\]: yeah I really don't like that
begin [-\]: me too
SimbaRules [5d?\]: expected p7 for black
begin [-\]: that small
Arahan [7k\]: or D5
SimbaRules [5d?\]: I'd just approach the lower left now
SimbaRules [5d?\]: d5 for white now looks good
SimbaRules [5d?\]: Don't want that getting too big.
begin [-\]: i like h 3 for that
begin [-\]: if w save o3 it very slow
]
;W[co]C[begin [-\]: cause q2 is strong for kill
SimbaRules [5d?\]: e4
bleu [5k\]: why not c4 ?
SimbaRules [5d?\]: White can play e4 if you play c4
Arahan [7k\]: maybe D7 or even D6?
SimbaRules [5d?\]: And reduce like that.
SimbaRules [5d?\]: Nah, no need for fancy play syndrome.
SimbaRules [5d?\]: Keep it simple.
SimbaRules [5d?\]: E4 to build the bottom, and white can't make a decent base.
begin [-\]: d5
SimbaRules [5d?\]: E4 D8 C8 D6 D9 and white moves out into the centre.
snowman [-\]: can black make n5 a good move...
SimbaRules [5d?\]: It's not that N5 was a bad move, it's just too early I feel.
SimbaRules [5d?\]: Like it makes O3 lose a lot of aji.
SimbaRules [5d?\]: But I dunno why he didn't like P7.
begin [-\]: i dont like n5 so small and alow
]
;B[ep]C[snowman [-\]: there has to be a reason we don't see n5 often
begin [-\]: slow
begin [-\]: h3 is big and fast
SimbaRules [5d?\]: D8 now for white most likely, and move out into the centre.
begin [-\]: when w save o3 it very slow
Warfreak2 [-\]: i prefer b
]
;W[cm]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: any idea when matthew macfadyen's commentary starts?
begin [-\]: with l4,h3 it good for attack when w save o3
begin [-\]: and w run in slow game for w
BGAadmin [-\]: he is getting back soon and will start when he logs on (he was busy until 12)
begin [-\]: q2 really strong cant kill
begin [-\]: and o3 not sure for alive :)
SimbaRules [5d?\]: I don't like C7.
SimbaRules [5d?\]: Feels like white should move out more quickly.
]
;B[cp]
;W[bp]C[SimbaRules [5d?\]: Q2 for who? When?
begin [-\]: i mean q3:)
Arahan [7k\]: looks like w wants to settle and attacke the left upper side
begin [-\]: i mean n5 not good
BGATeach [-\]: Hi all. This is Matthew Macfadyen. I will now clone the game in British room and use that to chat
begin [-\]: slow move
begin [-\]: hi mat
]
;B[bq]
;W[em]C[BGAadmin [-\]: please join the game in the British room for commentary
Warfreak2 [-\]: ah
Warfreak2 [-\]: i see it's been evented since i last looked
Nyanjilla [-\]: yup
]
;B[ek]
;W[gm]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: if charles wins then cambridge will be champion for 5 years running
bleu [5k\]: can b bukld 5th line territory ?
]
;B[hp]C[bleu [5k\]: no ;(
]
;W[bd]C[bleu [5k\]: wasnt p7 better than n5?
]
;B[nc]
;W[oc]
;B[nd]
;W[qf]
;B[jc]
;W[ch]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: i know i like empty traingles, but evne i don't like p6 here
Uberdude [3d?\]: probably blue, i don't like n5
Uberdude [3d?\]: cos not so big with q2 yose
Uberdude [3d?\]: too focused on making one not so big territory
Uberdude [3d?\]: the q3 block is kinda old joseki
]
;B[dh]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: maybe q6 wrong attach
]
;W[di]
;B[ci]C[BGATeach [-\]: What time will they break for lunch?
BGAadmin [-\]: 1pm
]
;W[cj]
;B[bi]
;W[eh]
;B[dg]
;W[dj]C[clydesdale [2k\]: i like w shape
]
;B[bj]
;W[dk]C[snowman [-\]: d8 perhaps
]
;B[dl]
;W[cl]
;B[bk]
;W[fj]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: sealed move soon?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
BGAadmin [-\]: we have stopped for lunch
Warfreak2 [-\]: when will the relay resume?
BGAadmin [-\]: we're stopping for approximately an hour
Warfreak2 [-\]: ok
Warfreak2 [-\]: bon appetit
wolokom [5k\]: f 10 nice
BGAadmin [-\]: black has used 48 minutes and white has used 33 minutes
bert [?\]: players dont get these visual effects, hopefully
sh [5k\]: Hi bert
bert [?\]: hi
wolokom [5k\]: w ahed
Uberdude [3d?\]: that's my feeling too ever since somewhat dubious q6 and very dubious q3 and n5
Uberdude [3d?\]: but MM likes black
BGATeach [-\]: Hi all. I got logged off and now seem to have lost control of the cloned version of the game.Is there a solution or should i reclone for the afternoon session?
BGAadmin [-\]: it says you have control
]
;B[hn]
;W[kq]
;B[lq]
;W[jp]
;B[jq]
;W[kr]
;B[jr]
;W[lp]
;B[ko]
;W[mp]
;B[lo]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[lr]
;B[ks]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: how are the clocks?
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;W[ls]
;B[js]
;W[mq]
;B[ql]
;W[qm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: black has used 75 min and white has used 60
Warfreak2 [-\]: but what colour is the clock?
MMXVII [3k\]: next you'll want to know if they talk
BGAadmin [-\]: the clock is white
Warfreak2 [-\]: (-:
]
;B[nl]C[zxcvbnm [1d\]: Player rankings?
Uberdude [3d?\]: w 5d b 3-4d
zxcvbnm [1d\]: Thank you
Warfreak2 [-\]: b was 3d in the challengers, don't know if he's been promoted since then
Warfreak2 [-\]: he did beat w in the challengers tho
]
;W[gp]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: i think he did get called 4d in game 1
Warfreak2 [-\]: ok
Uberdude [3d?\]: but recently the bga got rid of the adjustment from 2100 is 1d to what is average 1d in europe thingy
Warfreak2 [-\]: i guess i should check if that means i've been demoted
Warfreak2 [-\]: oh, i am still above 2400 anyway
Warfreak2 [-\]: doesn't bode well for me ever getting back to 5d, i guess
Uberdude [3d?\]: geoff says 2400 is 4.0 d
Uberdude [3d?\]: and 2490 is 4.9d
Warfreak2 [-\]: yes, britgo.org rankings say i'm 4.1d
Uberdude [3d?\]: and you can call yourself 4d from 3.5d to 4.4d
Uberdude [3d?\]: that seems weird to me
]
;B[hq]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: i think of dans like ages, a floor not round function
Warfreak2 [-\]: i don't think there's any objective reason to do it either way
Warfreak2 [-\]: but me getting to 2450 is far more feasible than 2500
Uberdude [3d?\]: the graphs on EGD colour in 4d from 2350 to 2450
]
;W[il]
;B[gn]C[Shenron [2d?\]: Who we watching?
BGAadmin [-\]: The names are as it says in the 3rd round of the British Championships
]
;W[lc]C[MMXVII [3k\]: Shenron is using the Android client
MMXVII [3k\]: white is Junnan Jiang and black is Charles Hibbert
]
;B[kd]
;W[nb]
;B[mb]
;W[ob]C[flurane [5k\]: how strong?
]
;B[lb]C[flurane [5k\]: ah ok 5d , 4d
Vano [5k\]: stronger than me
MMXVII [3k\]: connection problems?
]
;W[hm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: yes
Warfreak2 [-\]: i don't know, both players' groups look safely connected to me
]
;B[fn]
;W[en]
;B[qj]
;W[pk]
;B[ok]C[kcharris12 [-\]: bop
]
;W[qk]
;B[pj]
;W[rk]
;B[pe]
;W[oe]
;B[od]
;W[qd]
;B[of]
;W[ne]
;B[me]
;W[nf]
;B[pf]C[snowman [-\]: black is creating problems for himself
]
;W[ng]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: that's the first step of his strategy
Warfreak2 [-\]: 1) create a problem for yourself
Warfreak2 [-\]: 2) offer it to your opponent
Warfreak2 [-\]: 3) opponent accepts, now it's his problem
]
;B[oh]
;W[qe]
;B[nh]
;W[lf]
;B[kf]
;W[le]
;B[ld]
;W[og]C[NinjaKun [1d\]: it's ko
NinjaKun [1d\]: b should take it or sucrefice
]
;B[lg]
;W[mf]
;B[ke]
;W[md]
;B[mc]
;W[mh]
;B[mg]
;W[ph]
;B[mi]C[snowman [-\]: is this the point when the fighting ends and the endgame is about to begin
]
;W[lh]
;B[kg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: both players are into their final hour of time now
Uberdude [3d?\]: i know i play too slowly, but i think they played too fast
]
;W[oj]C[groupoid [2k\]: what rank are they?
]
;B[oi]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: quite a few mistakes they oculd have caught with more thinkinh
SimbaRules [5d?\]: Black is 3d, white is 5d.
groupoid [2k\]: ty
oohbetty [?\]: What do the clocks say?
Emanon [1k\]: tic toc
BGAadmin [-\]: both on 55 min remaining
groupoid [2k\]: 1min boy yomi?
oohbetty [?\]: 10 in 10 overtime
BGAadmin [-\]: 10 moves in 10 min
groupoid [2k\]: ah, canadian. i see
]
;W[nj]
;B[pi]
;W[ki]
;B[qh]C[groupoid [2k\]: feels like w is ahead
]
;W[qg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Matthew Macfadyen is doing a review as BGAteach
groupoid [2k\]: although only marginally
SimbaRules [5d?\]: W is clearly ahead.
SimbaRules [5d?\]: 15-20ish.
]
;B[kj]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: what matters is whether there remain an odd or even number of game-reversing mistakes
SimbaRules [5d?\]: Hahaha.
awesome [3k\]: like reversi
awesome [3k\]: yes w+20
Meruem92 [4d\]: is 0 considered odd or even?
awesome [3k\]: really?
BGAadmin [-\]: even
SimbaRules [5d?\]: *quietly growls as a maths tutor*
Meruem92 [4d\]: i wondered if it did actually satisfy the conditions to be actually considered even
Warfreak2 [-\]: it is 2 times an integer
Warfreak2 [-\]: i'll let you work out which integer for yourself
SimbaRules [5d?\]: "is 0 an integer?"
conkien [2k\]: no
SimbaRules [5d?\]: I'm gonna go now
SimbaRules [5d?\]: I don't mind my students not knowing things like this - it bothers me when their teachers don't though.
conkien [2k\]: lol
conkien [2k\]: that's what makes them human
Warfreak2 [-\]: numberphile have a video titled "is 0 even?" i am surprised it is longer than 5 seconds
Meruem92 [4d\]: well excuse me for thinking about it for more than a second :p
awesome [3k\]: :D
Warfreak2 [-\]: you are excused
conkien [2k\]: 0 vs empty :)
Warfreak2 [-\]: but i wonder what other characterisation of even integers you might have, whereby 0 is not even?
wicket [-\]: seems a question worth asking to me, means you have to find what the definition of even is, rather than just assuming it's what you think it'd be
Warfreak2 [-\]: number theorists are often annoyed that 2 is a prime
awesome [3k\]: I am annoyed 1 is not
BGAadmin [-\]: I think 1 is not prime mostly by definition (it used to be considered prime but maths works better if it isn't)
Warfreak2 [-\]: when was 1 considered prime?
Warfreak2 [-\]: if it was, i can't imagine it was any more recent than a few hundred years ago
oohbetty [?\]: When Hardy was really drunk?
leachy [1k\]: i don't know but i have heard that it actually used to be considered prime at some point
zxcvbnm [1d\]: I've always wondered
zxcvbnm [1d\]: What's the purpose of prime numbers?
Warfreak2 [-\]: they are the periodic table of the integers
]
;W[jj]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: they are the elements, from which molecules are made. in this analogy, 1 is empty space - an absense of any particles at all - and 0 is a black hole, of infinite density
BGAadmin [-\]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number#History (I realise wikipedia isn't the best source but I am meant to be refereeing a go game)
]
;B[ji]C[zxcvbnm [1d\]: So true practical application is for cryptography then
zxcvbnm [1d\]: Otherwise just theoretical stuff
leachy [1k\]: it says lebesgue is considered to be the last professional mathematician to consider 1 to be a prime
leachy [1k\]: although euler didn't
awesome [3k\]: I feel a little better
awesome [3k\]: w happy to give up some stones, no?
isor [3d\]: he should be
nas [1k\]: yeah, white seems a comfortable lead
sh [5k\]: 3 corners is huge
nas [1k\]: although i cant see a good move for w here
awesome [3k\]: I would j11
]
;W[kk]
;B[lj]
;W[ii]
;B[jh]
;W[lk]
;B[mj]C[nas [1k\]: how to defnd k9 in sente
]
;W[ij]
;B[be]
;W[ce]
;B[bf]
;W[cc]
;B[gb]C[awesome [3k\]: w didn't want any of b problems
oohbetty [?\]: Better ask Tom Baker
]
;W[fb]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
;B[hd]
;W[he]C[Uberdude [3d?\]: thanks, and well done to junnan
Warfreak2 [-\]: ♫ we are the champions ♪
BGATeach [-\]: the point you have up now seems to have been charles last chance to make trouble
BGATeach [-\]: Thanks all for making the game visible, and thnks to the players for pouring energy into an entertaining game
]
;B[ge]
;W[fd]
;B[hc]
;W[gf]
;B[eg]
;W[fh]
;B[fg]
;W[gh]C[nas [1k\]: are they in byo yomi?
awesome [3k\]: s2
sh [5k\]: They should be in byo yomi
BGAadmin [-\]: we're just having a 10 min break
BGAadmin [-\]: black has 45 min left and white has 20 min left
CageyS [2d?\]: Who are the players?
Warfreak2 [-\]: w is oxford and b is cambridge
Warfreak2 [-\]: junnan jiang and charles hibbert
sh [5k\]: Who is tom baker
Warfreak2 [-\]: the fourth doctor
sh [5k\]: Ah
BGAadmin [-\]: the plan is to play till 6.30 and decide if the game will continue for a length of time longer (in which case we'll stop for food) or will end reasonable soon (in which case we'll keep going)
]
;B[fa]
;W[ea]
;B[ga]
;W[eb]C[Warikomi [?\]: they don't have a rank ?
bert [?\]: the winner will be ranked 1st and the loser 2nd
]
;B[rh]
;W[in]
;B[io]
;W[jn]
;B[jo]
;W[eo]
;B[fo]C[oohbetty [?\]: Looks like no one wants to stop for more food.
]
;W[nk]
;B[mk]
;W[ol]C[sh [5k\]: Yeah ^^
]
;B[ml]
;W[bo]
;B[rr]
;W[aq]
;B[ar]
;W[ap]
;B[br]C[awesome [3k\]: w+something insane
nas [1k\]: s13, or j15 b8
]
;W[qr]
;B[qs]
;W[rq]
;B[sq]
;W[rp]C[nas [1k\]: thats why im not 5d :)
]
;B[ie]
;W[hf]
;B[bl]
;W[no]
;B[nn]
;W[bm]
;B[ee]
;W[de]
;B[fe]
;W[rg]
;B[km]C[bert [?\]: what is the count?
]
;W[ih]
;B[jl]
;W[jk]
;B[fm]
;W[fl]
;B[if]
;W[kn]
;B[ln]
;W[kl]
;B[jm]
;W[im]
;B[lm]C[oohbetty [?\]: W by not as much as others have opined.
]
;W[do]
;B[dp]
;W[jg]
;B[kh]
;W[ig]
;B[pg]
;W[ph]
;B[pg]
;W[pf]
;B[sg]
;W[sf]
;B[sh]
;W[al]
;B[ak]
;W[am]
;B[bh]
;W[jf]
;B[je]
;W[rj]
;B[ed]
;W[ff]
;B[ef]
;W[ec]
;B[gg]
;W[hg]
;B[na]
;W[oa]
;B[ma]
;W[df]
;B[cg]
;W[ae]
;B[af]
;W[ad]
;B[ri]
;W[om]
;B[nm]
;W[os]
;B[ps]
;W[oq]
;B[ph]
;W[sp]
;B[rs]
;W[sr]
;B[sj]
;W[sk]
;B[si]
;W[ok]
;B[ni]
;W[qb]
;B[me]
;W[fp]
;B[ho]
;W[md]
;B[op]
;W[np]
;B[me]
;W[ll]
;B[md]
;W[sq]
;B[oo]
;W[ss]
;B[]
;W[]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: counting?
BGAadmin [-\]: The game ended with the score white 54 and black 42 on the board. White won by 19.5 points
Warfreak2 [-\]: congratulations, junnan jiang!
oohbetty [?\]: Thanks BGAadmin.
BGAadmin [-\]: 20.5 points (a prisoner was missed)
awesome [3k\]: ty bga
Warfreak2 [-\]: thanks for the relay, and thanks to matthew for the commentary
])
