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Simba: Stream is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCzJQ78K-bc . We're going to be starting in a few moments.
Simba: The stream's gone down unfortunately, hopefully can get it back soon.
Simba: The organiser has gone completely offline :( might just have net issues at the place, sad.
Simba: Hopefully we'll get something soon, if it goes too far into the game I won't be able to reconstruct it.
bynum: aya :(
Simba: :(
bynum: Still nothing?

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Simba: We have a stream now.
Mr.Voo: how sad...
Simba: Give me a moment, they played a weird joseki.
marshmn: we're back up again
Simba: Trying to figure out what happened.

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marshmn: luckily they've only played around 15 moves
Mr.Voo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BkUx_y_LFQ
Mr.Voo: new link ;) 

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bynum: yo simba
bynum: Are you sure b put C6 in white?

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Simba: I don't know how they got here.
Simba: But they're here currently.
Mr.Voo: this sequence seems better for black. while he built on both sides, white has only gotten a small territory. 
Simba: White has sente though and can press down D3, or pincer.
Simba: E6 then pincering at F3 looks severe.
Simba: Or possibly F3 directly.

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Simba: Yeah, this is played.
Mr.Voo: now this looks terrible for black. lol
bynum: This is odd...
Simba: Haha, I thought you just said you liked it for black. ;)
Mr.Voo: yeah. if white is 7 kyu like me ;) 
Mr.Voo: then he would save D8 stone 
Simba: Oh lol, like play the ladder? oops
Mr.Voo: so i guess i'm gonna change my mind every move.
Mr.Voo: should black move out? I think E4 works. 
Simba: I prefer attaching at F4.
Simba: If you play E4, white could get quite a thick wall while black's just on gote.
Mr.Voo: ah, F2

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Simba: Hmm, surprising.
Simba: White has got a fairly thick shape in the lower left already so I wouldn't really want to make my own locally living group.
Simba: So coming out as you mentioned might have been a good idea, with E4/F4.
Simba: White isn't 100% alive, since black has moves like B4, but it's almost alive.

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Simba: Yep, white drew back here.
Simba: Now F4 would get cut by white E4, so that's not an option anymore.

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Mr.Voo: white must have captured a stone, just counting the number of stones played
Simba: Yes, the first few moves are not in the right order.
Simba: I have no idea what joseki they played, it's not one I recognise.
Simba: The stream wasn't working at the time.

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Simba: As expected to this point.
Simba: Now black E3 makes shape and forces white to connect.
Mr.Voo: i would say E8 is a possibility at this point ;) 
Simba: It's too slow to play that.
Simba: If black wanted to approach the top right, then yes.
Mr.Voo: oh no it doesn't work
Simba: B4 is also an idea.
Simba: But it does let white force with E3 and D4.
Simba: Then perhaps take the upper left corner.
Mr.Voo: i think E3 or D4 are the better moves
Mr.Voo: for black
Mr.Voo: unless he wants to keep pushing on the second line.
Simba: Nah, that just looks bad.
Simba: White's influence is worth more.
Mr.Voo: white should get sente and play N16. then he has a large lead. 
Simba: 2nd line is the line of defeat, or victory if you're AlphaGo.
Simba: Well the upper left corner is still open, remember.
Simba: They will want sente from this to play there.
Mr.Voo: hm yeah
Mr.Voo: but N16 is sente too. then white can play teh 44 point ;) 
Mr.Voo: after black captures D8 or played some alphago move like G10
Simba: N16 isn't important for white to play though.
Simba: Black can't go to that area while D8 still has so much aji.
Simba: So it's not urgent.
Simba: White would rather approach with R6 if black got the top left corner.
Mr.Voo: i see

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Simba: He played here.
Simba: This allows black to play a double hane if white forces with E3 and D4.
Simba: Whereas if he played B4, black's double hane wouldn't be possible.
Simba: So black can get sente this way if white forces.
Simba: The drawback is that B3 doesn't threaten white's shape.

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Simba: Ah, so white played here straight away.
Simba: Black cutting through with moves like E4 is much less severe with black playing B3 instead of B4.
Simba: So white didn't need to reply so much.

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Simba: As a reminder, they have 1h45m each of main time.
Simba: And a short byo-yomi afterwards.

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Simba: Oooh.
Simba: AlphaGo style.
Simba: Andrew (playing black) does an awful lot of study for this sort of thing, so I expect he'll be sufficiently prepared.

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Simba: I wonder if either of them had a look at the games they released for AlphaGo's self-play - it shows a fair few new sequences to do with this in those.

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Simba: Perhaps we'll see one here.

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Simba: White attached here.
Simba: This is the traditional way - black tends to take sente after this.
Simba: A move around O17 looks natural for black.
Simba: It closes the door on white's L17 undercutting his position at the top left.

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Simba: This offers white P3 to transpose to the variation I showed, with black perhaps then going around R10.
Simba: N3 might also be seen here for white while he has the ladder.

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Simba: Yeah, white played this hane.
Simba: Mmm, birthday cake and go.
Simba: All I need now is a cup of tea.

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bugcat: tbh I feel a bit dubious about this shoulderhit. From move 0: Q4 Q16 D3 C5 D9 D8 C8 C7 D7 D6 E7 B7 C6 B6 B8 F3 F2 G3 G2 H3 B3 C16 E17 D14 J16 R3 R4 Q3 O3 O2 P4 N3 N4 M3 R10 O17 N16 
bugcat: I see
Simba: So perhaps this was an overplay.

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Mr.Voo: seems like white is doing well. 
Mr.Voo: at least in terms of territory. 
Mr.Voo: what's your guess for black's next move? maybe M16
Mr.Voo: making a nice center 
Simba: Tenuki I reckon.
Simba: He wouldn't be thinking for this long if he was going to M16.
Simba: Maybe something like Q14.
Simba: Adventurous, who knows, it could be a lot of places at this point.
Simba: E13 also looks interesting.
Mr.Voo: wouldn't that be painful after white M16? 
Simba: Black could counter-hane at M15 and keep playing for the centre.

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Simba: He played here.
Simba: This makes sense locally.
Simba: But J16 looks really out of place here.
Simba: Don't like it.
Simba: It be better if it was at say H16.
Mr.Voo: yeah, that would look better
Mr.Voo: so is white gonna jump at F14 or is he gonna make some more territory 
Mr.Voo: now E13 looks scary.
bugcat: hey guys
Mr.Voo: hey 
Simba: Hiya :) .
Simba: Remember white still has the aji from the D8 stone.
Simba: So the centre isn't as resilient as it might look.
bugcat: Are the legendary old English players no longer active? Like Charles Matthews?
Simba: I don't think so, I don't know him.
Simba: There's a Charles Hibbert in this tournament, a 3-dan.
bugcat: I seem to remember there was a really strong Irish player as well that won a lot of the British Championships
Simba: Not as far as I know.
Simba: Matthew Macfadyen won almost all of them for about 25 years.
bugcat: That's who I meant
bugcat: Thought he was Irish
Simba: Ahhh.
Simba: I don't think so, he doesn't sound like it with his accent, I've met him.
bugcat: ah, ok
Simba: He didn't play for a few years, but played a bit again this year.
Simba: This is actually quite a young tournament for a change.
bugcat: hmm
Simba: There are three old people and five young I think.
Simba: I'm not sure how old the lady is, it might be a 4/4 split.
bugcat: what's your cutoff for these definitions?
marshmn: Joanne?
marshmn: she's young
Simba: Yes, Joanne :) .
Simba: 3/5 then.
Simba: And old enough to be my dad I guess, lol.
marshmn: though you think everyone is old
bugcat: haha
Simba: You're just salty 'cause you're old.

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Simba: lol
Simba: White played here.
marshmn: see.
bugcat: OOoh!
bugcat: interesting
Mr.Voo: wow. colorful.
Simba: Now black will use the remaining 35 minutes of his time before playing the obvious K15.
Simba: I like L16 a lot less than the shoulder hit.
Simba: It just looks cramped with J16 there.
Simba: Too much commitment to that little area which is undercut anyway.
Simba: And G17 is still wide open.
Mr.Voo: so much about black's center :)) 
Simba: And the influence from the L16 area is not good because white can ladder-break D8 to reduce it a ton.
Simba: Usually Andrew comments his own games on LifeIn19x19 though after he's done, so I'm sure he'll reveal a good reason in there.
Simba: He's super strong in terms of strategy/global awareness so he probably has a really clever reason for it.
Simba: Has beaten a couple of pro/7d people on even before.
bugcat: how does a move around the G16 area play out for Black?
Simba: The problem is also that black can't give up D7/E7 as long as white is not fully alive there.
bugcat: Perhaps he's contemplating just capturing the ladder stone for thickness?
Simba: It's too slow.
Simba: His moves around L16 looks silly if he does that.

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Simba: Just here looks the most obvious and thick move.
bugcat: indeed
Simba: And he did indeed play here after all.
bugcat: ah, he played there 
Simba: Yep, not sure where else he could have played.
Simba: Will be interesting to hear where he was thinking of in his own review.
Simba: This gives the ladder back to black for the moment.

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Simba: Daniel likes your move :) .
Mr.Voo: lol. he decided to cash it in ;)
Simba: Black might play around G10 now, but letting white H16 is so painful.
Simba: He might even give it up.
Simba: Play H16 himself.
Simba: And let D8 escape.
Mr.Voo: after that G9 is sente, right? 
Mr.Voo: white wll have a strong center

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Mr.Voo: maybe he can exchange for those weak black group 

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Simba: Hmm, white covered like this.
Simba: I guess he was afraid of playing more directly like...
Mr.Voo: now black can connect 
Simba: Yep, but he still has C17.
Simba: He might play that first as a probe.

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Mr.Voo: he did 
Simba: Yep, indeed.
Mr.Voo: black's stone don't look as sad as they used to.

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Simba: Mmm, indeed.
Simba: Black may well try to get sente here.
Simba: If he can have a group that has miai of either living locally or connecting to J17, that'd be a big win for him.
Mr.Voo: he should try to enclose the right side. that would be very big
Simba: Since then he can just take sente.
Simba: It's not too huge since white can still play Q9 to reduce.
Simba: Just a third line stone, easy to shoulder-hit.
Simba: He might use his sente to play R14.
Simba: Something like O11 looks interesting too.
Mr.Voo: indeed i was thinking of O11
Simba: Black gave a lecture three years ago and he showed O11 in this sort of shape to expand.
Simba: Works quite well.
Simba: The idea being that it's quite effective against shoulder hit reductions.
Mr.Voo: but but R14 threatens the corner and white might respond. then black can go for O11
Mr.Voo: or P14
Mr.Voo: i don't know. :P 
Simba: Maybe P15 in that shape.
Ranchanii: white wont respond r14
Simba: Black has about 30 mins left, white about 45 mins.
Mr.Voo: that's another ke jie move. removing glasses.
chris.miller2012: This feels like a simple question, but why isn't B15 the immediate move here?
Mr.Voo: actually i like B18 more
Simba: Chris, you're absolutely right that white can capture with B15.
Simba: But black put that stone there intentionally.
Simba: Because if it gets captured like that, he will get moves to help his C17 and E17 stones live.

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Ranchanii: this is the game? wow
Simba: So, the idea here is this.

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Simba: Yep, this is the only move.
Simba: Black's choice here is the interesting bit.
Mr.Voo: i think black doesn't have to worry about his J17 group. so i prefer the second choice
Mr.Voo: and he played it

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Simba: This is black's other choice.
Simba: But then white can cut here.
Simba: Yep, I prefer this way too.
Simba: Black can play C13 later also.
Simba: For some nice side territory.
Ranchanii: j17 as a weak group is kinda horrible because it makes it esier for white to reduce the influence
Mr.Voo: indeed. C13 looks juicy 
Simba: Not sure why white is thinking here. D18 is the only move that makes sense.
Mr.Voo: black got sente but now he has to solidify his weak group 
Simba: Maybe white is scared that black won't reply in the corner.
Simba: I really dislike anything else though.
Simba: Like, if white doesn't D18, black is going to.
Simba: It's huge.
Simba: If D17 was a mistake then that's unfortunate but there's no reason to compound it just because it was realised at this point.
Mr.Voo: how much time does white have 
Simba: 35 mins
Simba: Black has about 30 mins.
Mr.Voo: it would be better to save this time for less trivial moves....
Simba: It's easier to say that when you're sat here with a 5d using an analysis board! ;)
Simba: It's not as easy when you're sat there.
marshmn: I suspect there is going to be a lot of byo-yomi-ing going on in this game :)
Simba: It'd be super cool for the final round of the title tournament if we could get an actual board like Michael Redmond gets.
Simba: I've always wanted to use one of those haha, they look so neat.
marshmn: we have a few of them...
Simba: Yeah, not used though.
marshmn: there is one here actually
Simba: In the random bridge club? lol why?
Simba: Was there a pro at Candidates reviewing or something?
marshmn: well, it's just being kept here because West London Go Club play here and it's a useful place to keep it for now
marshmn: it was probably last used at London Open
Simba: Oh I see, I didn't realise it was actually a regular go place.
marshmn: so you can come down here for game 7 and use it if you like :p
Simba: no no, like
Simba: I mean the final round of the championship.
Simba: Not the final round of Challengers.
marshmn: oh, for title matches you mean?
Simba: Yes, the best-of-3/5 thing.
marshmn: right
Mr.Voo: D18

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Simba: There's a surprise.
Simba: It's funny because like...
Simba: If he played it right away, Andrew might have just played B18 immediately.
Simba: But now he took 15 mins over it, Andrew might be like "why did he think for so long???"
Mr.Voo: haha yeah. 
Simba: And figure that he can play say C13 or tenuki.

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Simba: Nope, he just replied here.
Simba: Psychological games lol.
Mr.Voo: white left the desk 
Ranchanii: this move says I have won
Mr.Voo: he's losing the psychological war

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Simba: Hmm.
Simba: So he thinks this is bigger than H17, wow.
Simba: Black turning there helps his own group significantly and also undermines white's.
Simba: I guess he didn't like the idea of the R14 approach we discussed.
Mr.Voo: interesting sequence going on
Mr.Voo: black relying too much on his influence now 

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Simba: This is a very nice sequence.
Simba: Very similar to one in a 3-4 joseki.
Mr.Voo: territories are very close. 
Mr.Voo: after white M2 adn black M4 white can do the shoulder hit. 

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Simba: And he did choose this way.
Simba: Just allowing black to connect up now and take sente looks good.
Simba: Then reducing the right.
Mr.Voo: M5 looks adventerous 
Mr.Voo: hm yeah
Mr.Voo: but i think now white is behind 
Mr.Voo: Daniel likes adventure

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Simba: Wow, he came out.
Simba: Risk.
Simba: Risky*
Mr.Voo: i think he has realized he's behind and he has to do something fancy
Simba: I don't think he was behind in the more conservative variation.
Simba: He ended in sente there to reduce the right.
Mr.Voo: if black fixes the corner, then white can attack the 4 stones

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Simba: Looks like an overplay.
Simba: B6 isn't alive.
Simba: F3 isn't connected.
Simba: And nor is M5.
Simba: I like black a lot here.
Simba: So I think white needs to be more conservative.
Simba: Black playing here looks really dangerous for white.
Simba: White has komi remember - neither of them have many points, so komi is a big factor here.
Mr.Voo: black is weak too after H2

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Mr.Voo: white played the night move
Simba: This is the game.
Tarot: stone in the Night Яoom 
Mr.Voo: black crawl is big too. he can then attack strongly by E4
Tarot: I'm 10 kilotons?! Well I used to be sdk ... I understood game 3 last night ... how about others here? ... game 2 peep/cut was absolutely mysterious to me, however ... until later, that is ...
Simba: If he crawls, white can just connect up the two lower left groups though.
Simba: And has only one weak group then.
Simba: It feels a bit too passive.

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Simba: Game 2 was crazy lol.
Mr.Voo: right. this is much stronger. white is being surrounded. now he can attack the left 

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Simba: This feels a bit soft on black.
Simba: White still doesn't have a base, and black can link up fairly easily now.
Tarot: b Ikken Tobi
Tarot: \[that's where I'd play, anyway\]
Tarot: or split white's Ikken Tobi, but that's pretty vulgar

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Tarot: ogeima works!!!

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Mr.Voo: black can either attack or he can crawl and then play C13. he will have more than enough territory in the second scenario 
Mr.Voo: that's assuming white's gonna play one more move to ensure teh safety of his central group 
Tarot: c13 works, but look at d15

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Mr.Voo: C3 is the only move
Simba: C4 is also an option.
Mr.Voo: i see. but i think black should take sente here. i'm not sure if C4 is sente
Mr.Voo: after B4 
Mr.Voo: it probably is
Simba: Well C4 is more sente than C3 for sure.
Simba: I expect either C4 or tenuki here.

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Simba: hmm
Simba: I guess he wants to attack white's eyeshape, but white still has the E6 push as sente.
Simba: With D8 on the board.
Simba: So realistically attacking that group isn't easy.

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Simba: H17 still hasn't been played.
Simba: So big.
Tarot: leaving h15 open perhaps
Simba: Maybe, it's very big for white too though.
Mr.Voo: black quite ahead in territory i think 
Simba: White has about 40 with komi, black's got about 37.
Simba: So it's about even, but white has sente.
Simba: So I'd say white is ahead here.
Mr.Voo: i only count 30 for white xD 
Simba: Remember komi :)

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Simba: Black has 5 minutes left, white is about to go into byo-yomi.
Mr.Voo: he's counting stones
Mr.Voo: canadian, huh? 
Simba: I think this is the first time I've ever seen Andrew not go into byo-yomi first lol.
Simba: Yeah, for some reason we don't have digital clocks. :\\
Simba: So gotta use crappy analogue clocks with Canadian.
Simba: dat 'accuracy' when setting precisely 5 mins lol.

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Mr.Voo: lol yeah. canadian with analog clock is a joke
Mr.Voo: i have the experience 
Simba: You should tell that to our go association. :D
Simba: But I'll be a good boy and not get political or I'll get into trouble, teehee.
Mr.Voo: :D
Simba: I like this move a lot.
Simba: Aims towards D8 aji, pressures black, defends white.
Simba: So nice.
Simba: Daniel's shape in the central areas is always really nice to watch.
Mr.Voo: i like E6 for black here

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Simba: Ah, he came over here.
Simba: Black C13 was large.
Mr.Voo: now is good timing for H17 ;D

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Simba: Black can get a little endgame gain from S15 here.

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Simba: yep
Simba: Usually white plays S16 here.
Simba: But it might be worth trading the corner for the side, and potentially cutting off R13 completely.

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Simba: Nope, just the usual way.
Simba: Black kept sente though.
Simba: Don't like it.
Simba: H17 is more firm against H16.
Simba: Threatening to either cut or play G16 atari.
Mr.Voo: hm ok

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Simba: Yep, finally turned.

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Simba: And here, another good multi-purpose move.

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marshmn: B+Time
Simba: Wait what.
Simba: o_o
Simba: wow
Simba: Well that's an anticlimax, lol.
marshmn: Daniel still had about 7 stones to play
marshmn: 1st period byo-yomi
Simba: Yeah, that's why games with 1h45m maintime shouldn't have 20sec byo yomi.
Simba: But oh well.
Simba: Thanks for joining and watching, everyone :) .
Simba: Two more games tomorrow, Voo.
Simba: 10am and 2:30pm UK time.
Simba: ;)
Simba: heheh.
Simba: I would never~
Simba: Cool! Cya later :) take care.
Simba: 5am Eastern and 9:30am Eastern for the next games tomorrow.
Simba: Adieu for now. :)

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Mr.Voo: looks like he had 2 stones left
Mr.Voo: ah really
Mr.Voo: don't get too political, Simba. thanks a lot for commentary. 
Mr.Voo: ;) 
Mr.Voo: i'll be back tmr
Mr.Voo: see ya. you  too

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Mr.Voo: how about G18 instead of H17

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Simba: This looks like a good choice.

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Mr.Voo: haha

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Simba: Can just respond like this.
Simba: Calm, no need to panic.
Simba: G6 is still in a really nice spot here.
Simba: For example...

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Simba: Ouch.

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Simba: Just here.
Simba: No need to panic.
Simba: White can live in a pinch like this, too...
Mr.Voo: hm

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Simba: Like so.

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Mr.Voo: wow B4
Mr.Voo: wow
Mr.Voo: what now after e5

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Simba: Like this, say.
Mr.Voo: if i were black, i would start the attack now. white cannot kill everything on the right. 

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Simba: Maybe peep first.

]))
(;W[pm]C[

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Simba: Black has problems too though.
Simba: Like this.
Simba: White can pressure this group a lot to settle.

]))
(;W[hr];B[eq];W[jr];B[kr];W[fo]
(;B[jn]C[

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Simba: Something like this is possible, but white looks more weak than black here.

])
(;B[kn]C[

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Simba: Even here maybe.

];W[ln]
;B[lm]C[

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Simba: Black could end up getting a lot on the side here.

])))
(;W[kp];B[jq];W[jp];B[iq];W[ip]
;B[hr]C[

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Simba: Something like this looks good enough for white.
Simba: That thickness will help him reduce the right side.

])
(;W[ln]))
(;W[lr]
;B[lp]C[

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Simba: Otherwise this, mmm.
Simba: The bottom doesn't have any points currently anyway.
Simba: And white's reduction stone won't have anywhere to run to.
Simba: So M4 feels like the correct direction for white to turn.

]))
(;B[or];W[oq];B[np]))
(;W[hc]C[

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Simba: And cover like this.
Simba: Black got more points like this.
Simba: But E17 died.
Simba: And J17 is now a weak group.
Mr.Voo: white connected
Simba: It feels like this is honte.

];B[qf];W[pf];B[pg];W[of];B[qe]
;W[qd]C[

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Mr.Voo: but if H17 is sente, afterwards black can go for O11
Simba: This kind of thing looked fine to me though for white.

])
(;W[pk];B[pj]
;W[ok]C[

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Simba: White could try this right away.
Simba: The H17 turn is huge.
Simba: But this is also very big.

]))
(;B[cg]C[

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Simba: Like, if black played this right away.
Simba: Playing D17 seemed to commit to white to playing D18 though in this line.

]))
(;B[db];W[be];B[bb]
;W[ad]C[

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Simba: Like this, black can still give up B16 to force.
Simba: But white got a better result than was shown just a moment ago.

]))
(;W[be];B[dd];W[ce];B[bb];W[ad]
;B[db]C[

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Simba: For example like this.
chris.miller2012: Oh okay

]))
(;B[dd]
;W[bd]C[

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Simba: But if he didn't play B16 first, white could connect like this.

];B[bb]
;W[cb]C[

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Simba: And now the same sequence wouldn't work.
Simba: Since white can cut here.
Mr.Voo: hm. white played my least favorite move

]))
(;W[hc];B[cc];W[bc];B[dd];W[ce];B[ef];W[eg]
;B[ff]C[

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Ranchanii: But I like eating the D8 stone directly because later B7 group might be in danger
Simba: This sort of thing.
Simba: Now the H15 cut becomes a pain.

]))
(;B[hd];W[el];B[ek];W[fl];B[fk];W[gl]
;B[ch]C[

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Simba: Maybe aim at something like this.

];W[gk]C[

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Mr.Voo: he played alphago move
Mr.Voo: G10

])
(;B[el];W[hd]
;B[cc]C[

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Ranchanii: 1. From move 0: Q4 Q16 D3 C5 D9 D8 C8 C7 D7 D6 E7 B7 C6 B6 B8 F3 F2 G3 G2 H3 B3 C16 E17 D14 J16 R3 R4 Q3 O3 O2 P4 N3 N4 M3 R10 O17 N16 N17 L16 J15 K15 J14 E8 H16 C17 
Simba: If he played here, his top group would be in a lot of danger.

];W[ic]C[

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Simba: After this.

]))
(;W[hd]C[

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Simba: Perhaps white will play like this.
Mr.Voo: yeah then white will get to play J14 in sente
Simba: I don't think he needs to.
Mr.Voo: then jump down to connect

];B[if];W[he];B[ic]
;W[hc]C[

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Simba: Maybe just like this, nothing complicated needed.
Simba: The aji from D8 is still there.
Mr.Voo: hm ok
Mr.Voo: right
Simba: No rush to cash it in.
Mr.Voo: black will suffer from this aji forever.-
Simba: Yep.

]))
(;B[gd]C[

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Simba: Like this now?
bugcat: yeah
Simba: Not well.

];W[el];B[fl];W[ek];B[ej];W[fk];B[gk];W[fj];B[fi];W[gj];B[hj]
;W[gi];B[gh];W[hi];B[ii];W[hh];B[hg];W[ih];B[jh];W[ig];B[if]
;W[jg];B[kg];W[jf];B[je];W[hf];B[kf]
;W[gg]C[

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Simba: :)

])
(;B[el]
;W[hd]C[

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Simba: Even just this.
Simba: E17 looks sad now.
Simba: And J16 etc. don't even have a proper base with N17 undercutting.

]))
(;B[eg];W[ld]
;B[le]C[

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Mr.Voo: i would play double hane 

]))
(;B[gj]C[

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Simba: Maybe here now.

];W[qh]
;B[oi]C[

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Simba: Perhaps this sort of shape.
Simba: But it's a different game.

]))
(;W[oq];B[np];W[lq]
;B[pj]C[

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Simba: Perhaps something like this.

]))
(;B[or];W[oq];B[np];W[pr];B[mr];W[os]
;B[lq]C[

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Simba: This ladder, it's good for white currently.

]))
(;W[oq];B[op]
;W[nr]C[

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Simba: For example like this, then black taking sente to play on the right, maybe here.

]
(;B[qk])
(;B[qj])))
(;B[eq]C[

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Simba: Just like this, black's very low.

];W[fo])
(;B[aq]))
(;W[cn]))
