(;FF[4]GM[1]PC[OGS: http://online-go.com/game/review/248275]BR[3d]WR[4d]CP[online-go.com]RE[?]SZ[19]KM[6.5]RU[japanese]C[

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Simba: Stream is up at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUU69aGnEmw , game scheduled to start in ~10 mins.

];B[pp]
;W[pd]C[

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Simba: And they're off~

];B[cd];W[cq]
;B[nc]C[

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Simba: Oooh, a 3-3. AlphaGo's inspiration.
Simba: Also, being a diagonal game, the komi is likely to be a larger fraction of the overall score.
Simba: And diagonal games tend to play more territorially, so a 3-3 makes sense.
Simba: It'd make sense for white to back off here to R14, keeping with his territorial plan.
TobyM: Did not Go Sei Gen use the 4-4 and 3-3 (and 11-11?) diagonal fuseki?

];W[lc]
(;B[qc];W[pc];B[qd];W[pe];B[pb];W[ob];B[qb];W[oc]
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Simba: Yes. Though even the 3-3 alone has fallen out of favour in recent years, never mind tengen.

];W[ec]C[

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Simba: This result is thought to be slightly good for white because black's stone is on C16 instead of D17 - I expected black might play another move instead of jumping into the corner.

];B[de]C[

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Simba: Quite a calm move, don't often see this one either anymore.
Simba: Usually white will defend along the top, then black will extend along the left.
Simba: That said, white might not want to commit too hard to the top because L16 is always available as a handy reduction.
Simba: So maybe there will be a trade.

]
(;W[gd]C[

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Simba: He does reply locally though.
marshmn: a photo of the game in progress: https://twitter.com/marshmn/status/868757390107303936
Simba: Neat, I'd never seen Charles before :) .

];B[dc]C[

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Simba: Locally this is very big but it's probably gote.
Simba: So black will just extend along the side for now, you'd expect.
TobyM: Ah! I had not realised that you can click on the "move 0 + 21" heading to get the relevant diagram.

];W[ed]C[

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Simba: Ah, they did play this way, and white replied.

];B[kd]C[

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Simba: I like this for black now. G16 looks misplaced.
Simba: Yep, though a bigger problem is that people's comments actually get tagged with the move that they locally are looking at.
Simba: So for example the reply I just wrote is tagged to mainline move 21.
Simba: But your comment was mainline move 20.
Simba: I figure the variations are the main thing people tend to look at, so as long as those are all in, then we've got the main work done.
Simba: And people watching live are of course free to enjoy the commentary more easily.
Simba: On KGS the commentary would be done on voice anyway so there would be no record.
Simba: Neat :) .

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(;W[kc]C[

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Simba: Mmm, white just replied here.
Simba: This is very low and territorial but perhaps he figures with white in a diagonal fuseki it might be enough.

];B[id]C[

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Simba: Interesting, is that local or visible to all?
Simba: And can anyone write stuff in there if it's visible to all?
Simba: hmm
Simba: Gotcha, thanks for the info. I'll have a fiddle with that later today and see how it displays in an SGF and such.

];W[jd];B[je]
;W[jc]C[

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Simba: Black might actually take sente here, thinking about it.
Simba: H14 and J14 are probably the two best local moves, but black could just view these moves as kikashi.
Simba: He succeeded in making white low, and can now take sente, perhaps for the left side.

]
(;B[dg]C[

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Simba: Yep, indeed, he played here.
Simba: I like this move high - if he played it low then white might have been able to make a big centre and capture J16/K15/L16 on a very large scale with no aji.
Simba: White probably will approach the lower right now.
Simba: This up to here is the game.
Simba: This is another OGS limitation :) when I send out the SGF, I reorganise it using a tool in a program called Drago.
Simba: To make sure the main line is actually the main line.
marshmn: (note that they sync button only shows if you are viewing a different move to the reviewer)

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(;W[ie]C[

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Simba: Mmm, white cut here.
Simba: Black needs to be careful not to be greedy here.

]
(;B[gf]C[

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Simba: Hmm, this one.
Simba: This feels a bit too easy on white.
Simba: For example like this...

]
(;W[if]C[

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Simba: White played here immediately, so black can at least Q14 in this variation.
Simba: But I still would have rather got in that atari as black.
Simba: J16 is just as dead either way.

];B[cn]
;W[fp]C[

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marshmn: in other news, not sure why Joanne Leung has lined up her waiting stones like this... https://twitter.com/marshmn/status/868769182527127553

];B[en]C[

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Simba: lmao
Simba: And you give me crap marshmn.
Simba: For having 3 stones in a triangle.
Simba: I have to do that next time we play.
marshmn: :S
Simba: I remember Francis Roads had a go at me for just twiddling a stone because I was bored.
Simba: Was like, dang, you made more noise complaining than I did with my stone, lol.
Simba: Expect white to play on the bottom side here.
Simba: Maybe all the way to O3, or perhaps something a bit closer, since black getting H3 is annoying,
Simba: He could actually 3-3 here, thinking about it.
Simba: Maybe force with Q14 first.

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(;W[dh];B[cg]
(;W[dd]
;B[cc]C[

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Simba: D16 for C17 feels like a bad exchange for white.
Simba: Not sure why it was played so early either, was a good ko threat.
Simba: I still think white should play on the bottom here.
Simba: Black replied pretty passively to D12 so maybe white can just treat it as kikashi.
Simba: Whereas if black had played say E12 instead of C13, it'd be a lot more urgent for white to continue locally.

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(;W[ek]C[

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Simba: Ah, he did continue over here.
Simba: Maybe he figures that if black jumps out with G6, he'll naturally get an extension on the bottom as part of the running fight.
Simba: But it's probably more urgent to reply in the centre.
Simba: This feels like a bit of an overplay though now.
Simba: And because of black's passive reply to the initial D12, white perhaps could've taken sente.

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(;B[ck]C[

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Simba: Mmm, black was nice :) .
Simba: This feels too low, good kikashi for white, can tenuki again for the lower side.
marshmn: live results from the tournament here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eD07a5CHv8UMJwPPLar_zHvqO0VYCDqwlxnApgJGi9w/edit?usp=sharing
Simba: Wow, Andrew with a chance to be the only one with a perfect score after 3 games, surprising.
Simba: I expected it to take longer for a clear front-runner to emerge, usually does with round-robins.

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(;W[jq]C[

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Simba: Yay, white came to the lower side.

];B[eq]C[

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Simba: Hmm, he still had an invasion at H3 later, so this one looks a bit too soon.

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(;W[do]C[

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Simba: Ah, white peeped.

];B[fq]C[

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Simba: White could push and cut, and allow black to isolate K3.
Simba: It's a trade, and white can always extend to O3.
Simba: Otherwise white could play G4 if he wants to keep everything together.
Simba: The stream went off so we'll have to wait to see what happened :) .
Simba: If it's a while like yesterday then I might just have to put the stones on the board in any order, but they play kinda slowly, so it might be okay.
Simba: Sorry about the delay, the Internet at the place goes down sometimes for some reason.
Simba: lol
Simba: Typical.
Simba: As soon as it goes down they start playing super fast.
Simba: We have a stream now but it's very messy.
Simba: Give me a moment ^^ .

];W[dn];B[dm];W[em]
(;B[co];W[fn];B[dp];W[eo];B[dl];W[cp];B[gp];W[bo];B[bn];W[gq]
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marshmn: sorry about that :/

]
(;W[ep];B[hp];W[dr];B[er];W[es];B[fs];W[ds];B[hr];W[hn];B[br]
;W[jo];B[jr];W[kr];B[kq];W[ir];B[lr];W[js];B[lq];W[kp]
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Simba: They doubled the number of moves they had played from the start of the game lol.
Simba: Oh well, we have the right position now, obviously not the right sequence to get here though.
Simba: Good time to count.
Simba: White's got about 45 points with komi.
Simba: Black's maybe around 50 or so.
Simba: But white has much more potential in the middle.
Simba: And it's white's turn.
Simba: So white is winning this currently.
Simba: Moves like Q14 will really help white take a lead.
Simba: In terms of solid points rather than just potential.

];W[ph];B[io];W[in]
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Simba: It feels like black just kind of gave up sente here.
Simba: K4 is throw-in ko but losing that ko is about as expensive for black as for white.

];W[jp];B[hq];W[dq];B[pj]
(;W[pq];B[qq];W[oq]
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Simba: I can't make out the clocks but I think they both have a decent bit of time left.
Simba: Certainly neither in byo-yomi yet.
Simba: So N4 must have been an overplay.
Simba: But black was behind so he had to try something aggressive here.

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(;W[no]C[

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Simba: Hmm, white jumped to here.
Simba: Looks fine too, it'll end up with a similar option for black.
Simba: Either let white live locally, or end up with N4 getting punished.
Simba: Very hard game for black now.

];B[mo];W[qr];B[qp];W[rr]
;B[nn]C[

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Simba: This gives black a thick shape but he still just simply doesn't have enough points.
Simba: And cutting at Q14 isn't an option.
TobyM: Presumably Black's only chance is to make something of the cut at K6
Simba: Yeah, but realistically that's not going to come to much since white can just push up several times, and black's group ends up weaker than his own.
TobyM: does O2 killl the cormner?
Simba: No.
Simba: The clock is kind of blurry but I think Andrew might be about to enter byo-yomi.
Simba: 20secs/move (15 in 5min).
Simba: Andrew shouldn't take too long - he's considerably ahead here.
Simba: Best not to get down to a minute or so then panic.
marshmn: he's just entered byo-yomi
Simba: Yep.
Simba: About 2 mins used already on his first stone...

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Simba: The clock is now diagonal for some reason, errr?

];B[oh]
;W[pf]C[

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Simba: Just here, keep it simple.
Simba: Yep, good move.

];B[qg];W[pg]
;B[nj]C[

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Simba: Black's reducing here but it's nowhere near enough.

];W[qh]C[

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Simba: White's just got to stay solid and it's over.

];B[ej];W[fj];B[ei];W[rh];B[rf]
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Simba: F11 is massive.

];B[lj];W[mk];B[lk];W[ll];B[ml];W[mm];B[nl];W[nm];B[om];W[ol]
;B[nk];W[qe];B[re];W[mn];B[on]
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Simba: haha O4
Simba: It was his last stone haha.
Simba: Just panic drop it anywhere :D .

];B[kn];W[lo];B[nq];W[nr];B[ln]
;W[lm]C[

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marshmn: I think Charles offered to put the clock that way since Andrew was spending time having to pick it up to look at it
marshmn: and Charles still has almost an hour of main time
Simba: White didn't connect here yet, but surely it's the only move.
Simba: Yep, played it.

];B[lp];W[jn];B[mr]
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Simba: B will resign in a moment I'm sure.

];B[jl];W[kk];B[nq];W[or];B[op]
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Simba: P2 was enough to win, safe.

];B[kj];W[jk];B[nq];W[fi]
(;B[eh];W[mq];B[jj];W[ik];B[nq];W[cm];B[bm];W[mq];B[hd]
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Simba: I guess he's just not resigning since Andrew is in byo-yomi.
Simba: This is completely over now though.

];B[he];W[pl];B[rl];W[rk];B[ql];W[qm];B[rm];W[rn];B[qn];W[sl]
;B[pm];W[sm]
(;B[qm];W[pk]
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Simba: B is alive here so white might take sente.

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(;W[hb]C[

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Simba: Yep, up here.

];B[kf]
(;W[ih];B[hi];W[gg];B[hg];W[hh];B[ig];W[jg];B[hf];W[jf];B[jh]
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Simba: Nice play by white in the centre there.

];B[hk]C[

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Simba: Black can squeeze white's shape a bit here but as long as nothing dies, it'll all be fine.
Simba: And by 'nothing' I mean specifically K9.
Simba: He could give up a few random stones like F10.
Simba: Did he lose on time???
Simba: Okay, apparently black won by time.
Simba: Yet another good example of why this tournament needs more byo-yomi in a reasonable proportion to the main time.
Simba: Ah well, hope you all enjoyed the game. Round 4 is at 2:30pm UK time, 9:30am Eastern.

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(;W[ij]C[

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Simba: White could just play here and give those two stones up.
Simba: Not necessary to save them.

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(;W[oo]
(;B[pf];W[of];B[og]
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Simba: Like this, there's too much aji with R15.

];B[rg]C[

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Simba: So black would need to come back.

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(;B[jn];W[kn];B[jm];W[km];B[jl];W[kl];B[jk];W[kk];B[jj]
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Simba: This sort of thing.
Simba: White's super solid on the left so it's not a problem to do this.

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(;W[pf];B[nr];W[or];B[os];W[ps];B[ns];W[rq];B[rp]
(;W[rs]C[

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Simba: Like this.
TobyM: ta
Simba: np

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(;W[sq]C[

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Simba: Better to live like this actually for endgame.

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(;W[op]C[

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Simba: Just this looks good enough.
Simba: White either escapes or lives in the corner.

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(;B[oo];W[qp];B[po];W[rq];B[qr];W[rp];B[rr];W[sr];B[pr];W[or]
;B[nr]
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Simba: Like so.
Simba: Black doesn't have enough points like this.

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(;B[po];W[qr];B[rq]
(;W[no]C[

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Simba: But if white just escapes, N4 is very weak.

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(;W[mo]C[

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Simba: Maybe even this one.
Simba: Hard game for black now.

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(;W[qr]C[

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Simba: White might try this side too.

];B[qp];W[rr];B[nr]
;W[or]C[

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Simba: But if black goes for a kill then it's probably overplay.

];B[os];W[ps];B[ns];W[nq];B[mr]
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Simba: Like this, black's going to be in trouble.
Simba: Or white will escape.
Simba: Either of those is good for white.

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(;W[pf];B[qg]
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Simba: Something like this feels natural for white here.
Simba: Surround the centre and also threaten to come in at R8 or Q8.

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(;W[ep];B[dq];W[dp]
(;B[cr];W[fq];B[bq]
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Simba: For example like this.
Simba: Living this way is kind of bad for black, and he needs another move.

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(;B[fq];W[gq];B[gr]
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Simba: This also would be painful.

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(;W[fn]C[

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Simba: This also looks quite interesting.
Simba: Maybe an overplay though.

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(;W[iq]C[

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Simba: If white just plays solidly here, it's difficult for black to harass E9 very much.

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(;B[gn]C[

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Simba: So just jumping out here seems very natural and white needs a move on both sides pretty urgently.

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(;B[gk]C[

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Simba: This looks severe.

])
(;B[hk]C[

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Simba: Or here, maybe.

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(;W[hj]
;B[hp]C[

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Simba: But allowing this would suck too.

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(;W[fm];B[fn]
;W[hp]C[

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Simba: This peep helps a little.

];B[hl]
;W[hj]C[

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Simba: Maybe this would be okay.

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(;W[iq]C[

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Simba: Just this seems good enough.

];B[kp]
;W[qn]C[

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Simba: But then by tewari, white would have rather approached here.
Simba: So the O3 approach looks bad.

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(;W[nq]
;B[kp]C[

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Simba: Something like this would be annoying for white.

]
(;W[qq];B[pq];W[qp];B[po];W[pr];B[or];W[qr];B[oq]
(;W[hq])
(;W[qn]
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Simba: Like this would be good for black.

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(;W[no];B[pn];W[pr];B[qq];W[kr]
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Simba: And if he jumps out, this also looks bad for white.

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(;W[iq]C[

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Simba: I guess he could play this now.

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Simba: You'd expect this usually.
Simba: Doesn't matter much, just a small difference in endgame.

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(;W[pf];B[qg];W[pg];B[qh];W[qq];B[qp];W[pq];B[oq];W[or];B[nq]
;W[nr];B[mq]
(;W[iq]C[

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Simba: Something like this, maybe.

])
(;W[oi]
;B[hq]C[

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Simba: Or like this, and allow black to get H3.
Simba: But the bottom territory is undercut.
Simba: So the expansion for black isn't going to be too much.

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(;W[pf];B[qg];W[pg];B[qh]
;W[if]C[

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Simba: And black didn't get a chance to get in his forcing move.
Simba: And white also got the pushes.

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(;B[he];W[if];B[hd];W[hf];B[ge]
;W[ff]C[

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Simba: Like this for example, he'll get into a lot of trouble.

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(;B[if]
;W[he]C[

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Simba: But he can just give it up like this and take sente again.

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(;B[fp]C[

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Simba: Maybe here.
Simba: And it looks like white's just overcommitted to one area too soon.

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(;B[pf]C[

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Simba: This one is also worth considering.
Simba: Otherwise white could push a couple of times in sente.
Simba: And the centre could get quite big.

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(;W[nq];B[np];W[mp];B[no];W[oq];B[pq]
;W[lp]C[

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Simba: This joseki is usually kind of questionable but it looks okay here.

];B[pf]C[

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TobyM: Er... is this the line as played? On the screen the main line stops at 20

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(;B[if]C[

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Simba: Like this, or...

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(;W[kf]C[

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Simba: I half-expected whit e to pull out something like this.
Simba: white*
Simba: Just playing the normal way is probably too passive and low.

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(;W[ld];B[kf];W[ke]
(;B[le];W[je])
(;B[je];W[le]
(;B[ig]C[

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Simba: Like this, perhaps.
Dyonn: you can press the sync button to go to where the reviewer is

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(;B[if]C[

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Simba: Maybe this one.
Dyonn: ou also have the option of the comments box above, which attaches the comment to a move, so you can only see it when you're on that move
Dyonn: to all, I believe
Dyonn: just the reviewer, i think
Dyonn: so that's the official review

]))))
(;W[dk];B[fd]
;W[nq]C[

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Simba: Maybe along these lines.
TobyM: and W does not  want to run the risk of being overconcentrated at the top
Simba: Yep.
TobyM: Simba: One of the problems with OGS is that it is not always clear if your comments refer to the main line or your alternative.
TobyM: (and yes, I know it is very difficult doing this sort of commentary)
TobyM: Touche (accent)

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(;B[fc]C[

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Simba: Something like this, maybe.

];W[nd]C[

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Simba: Since even here, and even still if white gets P17, there's still aji in that stone.

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