(;FF[4]GM[1]PC[OGS: http://online-go.com/game/review/248596]BR[4d]WR[2d]CP[online-go.com]RE[?]SZ[19]KM[6.5]RU[japanese];B[pp];W[dd];B[dq];W[do];B[pc]
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Simba: Heya all :)

];B[fc]C[

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Miselium: no clock/time table?
Simba: Hmm?

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Simba: They get 1h45m each.
Simba: Plus short byo-yomi.
Simba: The game starting a few moments ago.
Miselium: ok ty
Simba: I'm currently cooking IRL, the first game today went on for a long time.
Simba: I'll be giving more full commentary once my food's done :) running between here and the kitchen atm.
Simba: #dedication
sousys: still? :P
sousys: didnt you do that last game aswell?
Miselium: have a nice meal/dinnertime...
sousys: sustenance is a curse

];B[dg]C[

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Simba: That was breakfast, lol.
Simba: I'm cooking a proper meal now.
Simba: Almost 3pm here.

];W[df];B[fg]
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Simba: Nice, I play this shape a lot, more AlphaGo inspiration.
Simba: E12 only move now.
Simba: Still hasn't played, wow.
TobyM: Incidentailly, in this morning's game,   B's mistake was to play N12 in response to the cut t M12. If he played at O11 he gets 2 extra liberties...
TobyM: bad shape wins!

];B[eh];W[ef]
;B[gi]C[

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Simba: Haha, always :) .
Simba: Though disappointingly the fact Andrew knows this sequence means I can't pull it out on him sometime and surprise him, haha.
Simba: He studies so much, really admirable how much work he puts into his game.

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Simba: This D3 stone still has quite a bit of aji.

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Simba: Black's playing a moyo style here, with the influence on the left, and the high Chinese rather than the low one.

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Simba: Playing B5 is getting quite big with white's potential on the bottom and left.
Simba: But black could play around N16 maybe, emphasise the upper side.

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Simba: Ah, he played somewhere in the middle.

];W[pe]C[

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Simba: And white came in.
bynum: hi
Simba: Heya :) .
bynum: wow b is thinking for long periods of time at the start
sousys: or simba is juggling the wok in the kitchen 
bynum: haha

];B[qe];W[qf];B[qd]
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Simba: B is thinking for long.
Simba: He always does.
Simba: But they have 1h45min each so...
bynum: I was thinking about R16
Simba: Yep, instead of R15 right? Same.
Simba: Attaching just helps white.
Simba: Obviously locally it's still good for black though, he has so many stones around.
sousys: q13?
sousys: yeah
bynum: wow still thinking

]
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Simba: I just expect here next.
bynum: me 2

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(;W[ne]C[

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Simba: I don't like white not pushing.
Simba: Black haneing there now feels pretty severe.
Simba: White could just end up with a kinda stickish shape rather than a 2d group.
bynum: O12 hane
Simba: yep
Simba: Not played yet.
Simba: I'm happy most of my moves agree with a Tygem 9d, pressure now lol.
Simba: Gotta impress :P
bynum: lol...
Simba: There was a Chinese gentleman who came to our club the other week.
Simba: And we'd never seen him before.
Simba: And we were all like..."
Simba: "omg gotta play absolute best go we can play"
Simba: Since we kinda figured he'd be like 6d or something.
Simba: Turned out he was 17k lol.
bynum: haha
bynum: you were expecting some challenge right
Simba: I was expecting to get my butt kicked.
Simba: I don't have much confidence in my own game lol.

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Simba: Wow, he played more directly.
Simba: Like this it feels like white can just sacrifice small.
bynum: oo
Simba: Would you try to save everything?
bynum: I would go with Q14

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(;W[nf];B[pf]
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Simba: W went from the outside.
Ten: Ok, that became heavy
Simba: Antti. <3
bynum: Mr. Ten
Simba: Is giving away R14 too big here?

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Ten: If this is the shape white gets, then yes
bynum: I agree, this is good for b
Simba: Remember I was talking about pressure, bynum? ;)
Ten: Thank you
bynum: simba: lol
Simba: hahah
Simba: It's an honour to have you here, Antti :)
Ten: Don't mind me, I'm just goofing around

];W[oc];B[mc];W[pb];B[qb];W[kf];B[dc]
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bynum: C16?

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Simba: Black cut.
bynum: yes 
bynum: I like this too
TobyM: C3 for white?
TobyM: Sorry C18
bynum: C3?
bynum: Ah C18

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(;W[db];B[ec]
(;W[bc]C[

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Simba: This makes sense too as a way for black to settle the top.
Simba: J16 now.
Simba: Since there's no longer any real aji with G17 later.
bynum: in the future C16 can also do something

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bynum: J16

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Simba: Hmm, I don't like this at all for white.
Simba: He just made black really solid.
Simba: And still isn't alive in the top right.
Simba: That exchange has gotta be a mistake.
bynum: b just became thicker
Simba: Yeah, much.
Simba: This already feels good for black.

];W[ni];B[nj]
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Simba: Yeah, almost totally surrounded.
Simba: White did get this hane in though at last.
Simba: Was concerned that one might not be 100% sente.
Simba: The hane is big though for sure.
Simba: You think Q2 is bigger than B5?

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bynum: hi

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Simba: L12 is an odd way to connect.
Simba: At least play K12 since L14 is in place.
bynum: woah
bugcat: hey guys

];B[kp]
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bugcat: What do you think of the whole board position right now?
Simba: Good for white definitely.
Simba: for black, sorry.
Simba: derp.
bynum: good for b.
bugcat: is D3 dead?
Simba: It has a lot of aji.
Simba: Black can play B5.
bynum: even C5
Simba: And then white can either capture it small, or take the outside.
bugcat: thanks
Simba: np :)

];B[lp]
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Simba: White is just kind of steadily losing.
Simba: Nothing much is happening, just black is more efficient over and over and over.
bynum: oh darn there was a caterpillar on my computer
Simba: gross
bynum: freaked me out
Simba: That's nasty.
bugcat: blrgh
Simba: I'm about 7d at being afraid of insects.
Simba: And other weird creepy things.
bynum: hahahaha
bynum: and it's really hot here
bugcat: what about dragons?
bynum: maybe I should consider going barechested
Simba: Loooooove dragons. <3
Simba: And lol, it's not like anyone can see you, bynum.
bugcat: they're fun to chase >:3
bynum: hahaha
Simba: Hahaha, chase? As a human? Or one of the cute things in your picture?

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bugcat: Well I meant a Go dragon, like an eyeless group, but if you want to imagine a bugcat chasing one go ahead
bugcat: especially in the style in my pic
bynum: hahaha
bynum: dragons are indeed fun to chase
bynum: R3?
Simba: That would be very cute lol.
Simba: And yeah, R3 looks good.

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Simba: Hmm, this one.

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Simba: Up to here so far, white didn't connect.
Simba: Not sure what he's thinking about.
bynum: "how to lose."
bugcat: ;_____;

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bynum: hehe

];B[lo];W[op]
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Simba: Oooh, black took this one.
Simba: Clever.

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bynum: nice.
bynum: now he got the corner.
Simba: Yeah, it's hard to see what white can do from here.
bynum: he might choose to cut N6
Simba: Just a very slow, steady loss where nothing much ahppened.

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bugcat: Well, if he's losing anyway then he might as well take a big risk
bugcat: then resign in style

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Simba: This is just sad for white, he can't even cut N6.

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Simba: Oh, he played it anyway.

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bugcat: weird
Ten: If white takes sente to play b5, he has just ten less than black on the right side

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Ten: Well, small problem that black still has the upper side to boot
Simba: White played here, asking for a little more.
bugcat: ah, I _thought_ White would extend on the left after finishing the bottom-right sequence
bugcat: only big area left

];B[co]
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bynum: yeah cut is natural

];B[dp];W[cq]
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Simba: Black played here.
bynum: oo

];W[dn];B[cm];W[dm];B[bl]
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Simba: Hmm, not a fan of this corner result for black.
bynum: yes, b ended it in a simple way.
bynum: but white has a big corner now.
bynum: and I don't know wha the ponnuki can do
Simba: Yeah, hmm.

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bynum: oh, hane here frist
habigum1: 14. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 C16 D18 E17 B17 F14 E16 F16 O11 O10 N11 N10 L11 M11 M12 M10 L12 L4 L5 M4 K3 O4 N4 N5 N3 M5 P4 Q3 O5 O6 P6 P7 P5 Q5 N6 O7 M6 L6 K5 M7 C8 C5 C4 D4 C3 C6 D6 C7 D7 B8 B9 B4 

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bynum: 15. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 C16 D18 E17 B17 F14 E16 F16 O11 O10 N11 N10 L11 M11 M12 M10 L12 L4 L5 M4 K3 O4 N4 N5 N3 M5 P4 Q3 O5 O6 P6 P7 P5 Q5 N6 O7 M6 L6 K5 M7 C8 C5 C4 D4 C3 C6 D6 C7 D7 B8 B9 B4 B3 

];B[aq];W[bo];B[ao]
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Simba: I dunno why black is making this such a mess.
Simba: Could just play really simple and win.

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TobyM: I think Simba has made a mistake

];W[bn];B[bp]
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bynum: wait...
bynum: are u sure M2 is a ko threat?
SenSay: I thought I was being classic 13k
SenSay: turns out it really doesn't make sense
Simba: Maybe it's just because white doesn't have many good ko threats.
Simba: So he captured those to just remove any ko threats in that area.
Simba: And remove white's K6 sente move.
TobyM: but to finish the ko at A6 threatens C2...
Simba: Like, although capturing the ko is bigger, if white is going to just have to keep playing less and less valuable ko threats...
marshmn: B+resign
Simba: Yeah, but if black wins the ko either way, he's still got that.
Simba: I dunno. Black maybe just figured he was tons ahead. Agree I'd play A6 here.

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Simba: I am not, haha.
Simba: But he played it.
bynum: ??
Simba: Agree it doesn't make sense.
bynum: Can someone plz explain...
bynum: my brain is unable to process this
Simba: :)
bynum: i'm confused
bugcat: haha, it was responded to
bynum: i still don't get it... why would b play N7?
bynum: it's not atari

];B[ck];W[an]
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Simba: I'm just watching what's going on on stream.
Simba: Looks the same.
Simba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpLKKOerR8U

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bynum: lol not understandable

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TobyM: er... W has played at H13  on the video

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Simba: I think white resigned.
Simba: Let's have a look at M2 again.

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Simba: Yeah, there's not much here.
Simba: I guess black figured he was going to win the ko, with how vulnerable white's upper centre group is.

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Simba: But who knows, just trying to come up with a reason black might not.
marshmn: updated results after round 5: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eD07a5CHv8UMJwPPLar_zHvqO0VYCDqwlxnApgJGi9w/edit?usp=sharing

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Simba: That ponnuki doesn't feel worth giving away all those solid points.

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bynum: sente. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 C16 D18 E17 B17 F14 E16 F16 O11 O10 N11 N10 L11 M11 M12 M10 L12 L4 L5 M4 K3 O4 N4 N5 N3 M5 P4 Q3 O5 O6 P6 P7 P5 Q5 N6 O7 M6 L6 K5 M7 C8 C5 C4 D4 C3 C6 D6 C7 D7 B8 B9 C9 D8 B10 B7 A9 B5 C13 

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bynum: like this?. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 C16 D18 E17 B17 F14 E16 F16 O11 O10 N11 N10 L11 M11 M12 M10 L12 L4 L5 M4 K3 O4 N4 N5 N3 M5 P4 Q3 O5 O6 P6 P7 P5 Q5 N6 O7 M6 L6 K5 M7 C8 C5 C4 D4 C3 B5 D2 D6 E5 

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Simba: Maybe this one first?

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Simba: Like this, bleh.
bynum: lol

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Simba: This kind of idea?
bynum: ya

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Simba: Maybe, but...

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Simba: This kind of thing cuts white off completely.
Simba: So he's gotta be super careful.

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bynum: indeed, u don't want a dead group inside lol

])))
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Simba: Maybe white wants this kind of thing?

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bynum: yep
bugcat: Then extending on the right?
bugcat: I mean left

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Simba: Like here maybe, yeah.

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bynum: 13. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 C16 D18 E17 B17 F14 E16 F16 O11 O10 N11 N10 L11 M11 M12 M10 L12 L4 L5 M4 K3 O4 R3 Q3 S4 S6 Q2 P2 R2 

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bynum: no

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Simba: Maybe push once more like this, then come back here?

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bynum: why not push again?. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 C16 D18 E17 B17 F14 E16 F16 O11 O10 N11 N10 M11 M10 

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bynum: something like this. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 C16 D18 E17 B17 F14 E16 F16 O11 O10 N11 N10 M11 M10 L11 Q2 

])))
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bynum: F14 is a big move too.

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bynum: 12. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 C16 C18 E16 D15 

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Simba: Maybe just something like this to settle the top.
bynum: @Ten what do you think?
Simba: Another move in the top left would be gote for white after this.
Simba: So maybe this is good timing to come back here.

])
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bynum: or maybe here?. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 P14 O14 Q14 P15 R13 P17 N17 Q18 R18 L14 D17 C17 H16 
Simba: I guess this deals with white's potential G17 later a bit better.
Simba: After he gets E17.

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Simba: Starting with this?
Simba: Or prefer to go from the outside?

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bynum: something like this. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 P11 O15 O12 O13 N13 P17 

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Simba: Something like this.
Simba: Try to settle without getting too heavy.

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Simba: Maybe jump, hmm.

])))
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bynum: you mean this?. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 Q13 
bynum: Right but w can just push down Q12
bynum: And b is in poor shape

];W[ph];B[qg]
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sousys: how so?

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bynum: Q11 is damaged. From move 0: Q4 D16 D3 D5 Q17 F4 F17 C14 D13 D14 F13 E13 E12 E14 G11 E2 Q11 O3 Q6 K4 L16 Q15 R15 R14 R16 P12 Q13 Q12 R13 R12 
bynum: yah

];B[rg]C[

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Simba: Like this.
Simba: Yeah, Q11 suffers too much from this.

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Simba: Things like this start becoming a problem too.

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Simba: Here first is probably honte though.

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Simba: White could play this if black goes too far from the corner.

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Simba: This looks better to support the framework.
Simba: And the corner is still open if F17 gets harassed too strongly.

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Simba: For example black has this move later.
Simba: So for that reason, F4 often tends not to be sente against the black 3-4 stone.

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