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Simba: Any other questions while we wait for the stream to resume?
Enumaris: hmm

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Simba: Good morning everyone :)
Simba: This is the final round this morning.
Simba: However it's possible there will need to be a play-off - more information on this as and when we have it.
Simba: I'm not sure whether this move is a good idea.
Simba: Usually, the top side goes like this...

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Simba: Ah, in the game black played this though.

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Simba: Yeah, now black's shape is just a little clumsy.

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Simba: Black's best move now is probably this sort of thing.

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Simba: But given black potrentially had almost the entire upper side fairly solid, this feels good for white.
Simba: F15's still got aji too.
Simba: And they did play this way.
Simba: So I think black has to either settle the top right in sente, or cover the top left.

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Simba: Ah, down here.

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Simba: This 3-3 makes less sense given black already has the K4 stone.
Simba: The whole idea behind the early 3-3 is that black doesn't have a side extension.

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Simba: The timing on P5 here was quite nice. Black didn't get a chance to jump up before white exchanged.
Simba: I suspect R3 is too slow though.

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Simba: W plays the most solid local move.
Simba: This move is better than something like Q10 because black can't play as many forcing moves against the right side to build the centre now.
Simba: Q9 has similar aji.
G-O: Thanks for giving all this insight Simba, very helpful for me
Simba: :) Glad it's helpful.

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Simba: Black played here first.
Simba: This could end up being a little problematic for black.
Simba: Sorry, P4 is a good reply to P5, I mean.
Simba: It's just when white plays S4, black shouldn't reply.
Simba: And hence white shouldn't play S4.
Simba: Can treat the R6 and P5 stones quite lightly, and expand the right side.
Simba: Black's not in a rush to play R5 - it'd be too slow.
Simba: So white doesn't need to worry about them.

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Simba: Mmm, white came in here.
Simba: This feels a bit dangerous because his corner isn't fully alive yet.
G-O: syncy with Simba to get the right line
Simba: We're on the right line currently.
hfgl: ok thx

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Simba: Black kicked.
Simba: Usually when kicked, it's best to extend with your stone.

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Simba: This is also possible.
Simba: Yep, white jumped like this.
Simba: It's kind of difficult to attack this as black because his wall on the left is thin.
Simba: This is why I preferred a move like H5.
Simba: (for black, instead of H3)
Simba: J3*

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Simba: J2 first is good timing - black might ignore that move later if say white was already totally alive here.

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Simba: Here, it looks like the push and cut works, but...
Simba: And if black peeps first...
Enumaris: chosimmmmba
Simba: Hahaha...
Enumaris: oh white did the alphago thing
TobyM: Does E2 threaten the corner?
Enumaris: nice nice
Simba: My hair is not as cool as Cho's sadly.
Enumaris: how about the nipples? Are they as strong?
Simba: Yes, E2 is sente against the corner.

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Simba: How about the what, Enumaris? It got censored.
Enumaris: hmmm
Simba: Spell it/PM me lol.
Enumaris: it's a enter the fist reference -.-

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Simba: Aha.
Simba: Not seen it.
Enumaris: ah
Simba: I bet marshmn has though.

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Enumaris: It's a spoof movie. The main character is "the chosen one"
Enumaris: and in it, he meets his spirit guide...mufasa
Simba: Sounds kinda like Kung Fu Panda lol.
Enumaris: who calls him "simb...I mean Chosimba"

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Simba: lol
Simba: I thought you meant as in Cho Chikun, since I was giving commentary.

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Enumaris: ah XD
Simba: Hence me saying my hair's not as cool as his lol.
Enumaris: no, it's a reference to ur username simba :D
Simba: Haha.
Simba: This invasion feels like a success for white.
Simba: Black's wall got a bit too weak to allow him to actively attack.
Simba: Also, the Internet at the venue is sadly yet again dodgy, so the stream is going off sometimes.
Simba: (like now)
Simba: Hopefully it won't be down for too long.
Simba: We really need a different venue for next year, unfortunate.
Enumaris: hmm
Enumaris: haven't seen alphago do the 3-3 when black had k4 tho
Enumaris: so I guess it's not the same..
Simba: Yeah, I commented this at the time.
Simba: The whole point of the early 3-3 is to finish in sente then take the extension.
Simba: Doing it with black already having K4 doesn't make sense.
Enumaris: right
Enumaris: would also make sense if black also had d10
Enumaris: that would be the normal place to 3-3
Simba: Not really.
Enumaris: the non-alphago version
Simba: Usually you'd 3-3 if black has two /low/ extensions.
Simba: e.g. C10 and K3.
Simba: If he has two high extensions, then the wall is useful.
Enumaris: hmm
Simba: (Since you want a wall towards a 4th line stone).
Simba: Building a wall towards a 3rd line stone isn't a good idea since you can shoulder hit the 3rd line stone to reduce the area easily.
Enumaris: but if one of those will be inefficient
Simba: Yeah but it's not in that shape.
Simba: Stream is down so I'll show.
Simba: marshmn has gone off Discord completely so the entire net might just be down again.
Simba: Sucks when this happens, ruins the game record since often have to just put the stones in rather than having the order right.
Simba: Got any other general go questions you want to ask about?
Simba: May as well make the most of the downtime :) l.
Simba: Oh, I see.
Simba: Okay, marshmn is back on Discord now.
Simba: Hopefully we'll have a stream in a couple of minutes.
Simba: Okay, we have a stream again.
Simba: Just a moment please while I try to reconstruct it.

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Simba: There we go.
marshmn: sorry about that :/
marshmn: the connection here isn't too stable
Simba: np, not your fault the venue's bad.
Simba: At least they didn't play too much this time :) .
marshmn: it's a great venue for playing Go, and we get it at a very reasonable cost - so great place to use, but unfortunately the internet here is not the best
Simba: Diplomatic as ever. :)
Simba: So here, black made quite a nice territory on the left.
marshmn: it's the truth...
Simba: But white can still reduce it later with B15, A14 etc.
Simba: There's also the issue that O17 is weak and untouched.
Simba: White could kick that here.

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Simba: Ah, white just played here, surprisingly solid.
Simba: I guess if he figures the invasion was so successful that he doesn't need to harass O17 much, then this could make sense.
Simba: But it does give black a chance to settle.

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Simba: This is weird from black.
Simba: I guess he's saying he can kill the corner if white doesn't reply... hmm.
Simba: It does seem that way, yeah.
Simba: I'd tenuki here I think, for better of worse.
Simba: or*
Simba: I mean, they have 1h45min of main time each.
Simba: Black played this very quickly.
G-O: well maybe we will find out, please let white tenuki
Simba: So he didn't read it.
Simba: He might know it from a book though.
Simba: It's a standardish shape.

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Mr.Voo: it's not a bluff if you can't read it. it's a gamble. 

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Enumaris: well if u a6
Simba: White cut.
Enumaris: it's like 
Simba: This cut is nice because it means if white captures A7 as part of the sequence, it's going to be threatening B8.
Simba: i.e. sente.
Simba: It helps with liberty issues on the B5 stones.
Enumaris: if black a6 and white a4 it's like pig's mouth
Simba: Yep.
Simba: But white can block A5 as I showed.
Simba: Since it's a two-stone push, not one.
Simba: They're up to here in the game.
Simba: Yeah, straight J group is a ko.
Enumaris: if a4 sente, then b2 lives 

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Simba: He did take sente :) .
Simba: I feel that's correct.

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Simba: Oop, yeah, black didn't even try to kill it.
Simba: So A7 is definitely too slow.
Enumaris: hmm
Simba: I guess he figured white might just knee-jerk respond.
Simba: He played it very quickly so I figured at first he must just know the shape from a book.
Simba: Maybe not though.
Enumaris: well
Simba: White didn't play that hane yet.
Burrito554: Understood, what about a clamp on Q12?

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Simba: White played here.

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Simba: And black played this one.
Simba: I think black is a bit tilted now to be honest.
Burrito554: Do you think white is too passive in black's aggressiveness ? 
Simba: Well P10 has the same idea in mind as P11.
Simba: Cut black's stone off, so he has multiple weak groups.
Enumaris: I gotta sleep XD
Enumaris: laters~
Simba: Aww, sleep well :) thanks for joining us.
Enumaris: thx for showin the game hehe
Simba: ^^ Anytime.
Simba: R16 is a bit silly here though. I think he's annoyed that A7 got ignored.
Mr.Voo: i gotta take a siesta
Simba: Cya in a bit, Voo :) thanks for joining us.
Burrito554: I'm jugged on black coffee so no sleep for me :P
Mr.Voo: :) 
Burrito554: Is it good for W to play for influence or try to fight for the corner? 
Burrito554: After R16
Mr.Voo: thanks to A7 black has infinitely many ko threats. he has to find a way to start a big ko
Simba: It's good for white to play for influence, Burrito.
Simba: Black living in that corner just gives away far too much.
Simba: White has about 50 mins left, black about 1h20min.
Simba: marshmn, any idea who's ahead in the Andrew Simons and Charles Hibbert games?
Simba: We don't have the relay of those two games unfortunately, but either of those players could qualify for the final title match.
Simba: So it's interesting to hear how those two games are going.
Simba: This Challengers League is an 8-player round-robin event.
Simba: The top two players from which go through to the final title match.
Simba: Which is a best-of-5 (or best-of-3, the players get to choose).
Simba: Am not sure what white is reading for so long here. Just taking the outside and letting black live is easily enough to win the game.
Simba: Trying to kill the whole thing is risky.
Simba: Gotcha.
Burrito554: What if black has a white to split the 2 knight moves? 
Burrito554: a way*
Simba: Well it's white's turn.

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Simba: Black could try like this, but...

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Simba: lol, well black played it anyway.
Simba: I wonder why Daniel didn't just play R17.
bugcat: less forcing moves or ko threats, I assume
bugcat: or just styl
Simba: There are actually quite a few more this way.

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Simba: Black played this side.

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Simba: This works for white too, there's a double threat.

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Simba: Dunno what black was trying to do here.
Simba: Just annoyed from A7 I guess, mmm.
Mr.Voo: wow black gave up that corner.
Simba: Yeah.
Mr.Voo: if he wants to connect at O16, then white has P11. big territory. 
Simba: It's too much for sure.
Simba: Black's had a rough tournament really.
Simba: If he loses this he'll finish on 3/7 which is quite a bit below expectations.
Simba: He's won the entire thing before, twice.
Mr.Voo: ah
Mr.Voo: seems like he made too much progress too quickly 
Mr.Voo: he only began in 2006 and won british open in 2010
Simba: Nah, that shouldn't surprise you - the strength of players in Britain is really poor compared to most of the rest of the world.
Simba: We have only one 6d and he has barely played for a few years.
Simba: And very, very few 5ds.
Simba: Black in this game was 5d for a while.
Simba: He's been to China a couple of times to train, strong player for sure.

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bugcat: Are you counting Matthew MacFadyen as the 6dan?
Simba: Yeah.

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Simba: Though he's 5d nowadays.
Simba: So I guess we don't have any 6ds at all. That's kinda sad. :\\
Simba: It'd be cool if we had an online league specifically for dan players with some sort of pro reviews to help boost our best players.
Burrito554: Is this amateur league? 
Simba: lol yes, UK has no pros.
Simba: 4d, not 4p :)
Burrito554: One can hope
Mr.Voo: how does british rating compare to AGA
Simba: Stronger.
Mr.Voo: how many stones
Simba: 1-2.
Mr.Voo: ok
Simba: xhu98 is 6d AGA and I'm about his level.
Simba: Have played one game and I won by a small amount.
Simba: OGS grades are probably similar to BGA grades.
Simba: The system here is quite tough, and our national grades are also quite tough.
Simba: Whereas AGA/CGA is a bit softer.
Simba: And then things like Tygem softer still.
Mr.Voo: hm. so OGS vs AGA is only one stone difference. i thought it should be much more.

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bugcat: I like a tough rating system
Simba: It's 1-2 stones OGS vs AGA.

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Mr.Voo: hm OK.

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Simba: Yeah, AGA is like KGS.

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Simba: At kyu levels anyway.
Simba: In the dan ranks KGS actually is similar to here.
Mr.Voo: ok
Simba: It used to be softer but not so much anymore.
bugcat: Well, Simba, if you're British then why aren't you playing here?

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Simba: I'm not a member of our go association.
bugcat: ahhh, ok
Simba: It's also a bit too far away for me.
bugcat: got it
Simba: But I'd gladly take on the winner in a serious match. :)
Burrito554: Is the current board the actual game? 
Simba: Yep.
Burrito554: What a nose play, do you think black now gained more?
Simba: Yes, this is why white should have played the P14 atari.
Burrito554: Seems to me white has gained a lot in the corner and the top side
Simba: Yeah, R16 was never going to end happily for black.
Burrito554: Is it enough for this exchange? 
Simba: Yes, definitely very good for white still.
Mr.Voo: this seems like an easy win for white. 
Mr.Voo: unless black can do something about white's weak group at G8

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Simba: Yep, I suspect a clean win for white.
Simba: It's hard to attack G8 since black's right group is weak.
Simba: In terms of points, white's got at least 70 including komi, black's got about 55.
Simba: So white just needs to keep things simple and he should get a pretty easy win.
Simba: Best to avoid complications now.
Simba: White has about 35 minutes main time left, black about 55 minutes.

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Mr.Voo: P14
Simba: P14 has a stone on it.
Mr.Voo: Q13
Mr.Voo: lol
Simba: Yeah, I like that.

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Simba: W played solid.
Mr.Voo: intriguing 
Simba: Well if white wins, he's guaranteed to be in the final title match.
Simba: So he probably wants to really avoid risks.
Simba: Especially given he's ahead here.
Mr.Voo: he just wants to get sente and get back to his weak group 
Simba: Yeah, but black can't realistically attack it while black's top right group is weak anyway.
Simba: So it's not that urgent.
Simba: Black would need to fix his top right group in sente.
Simba: And that's not possible.
Mr.Voo: black also has a lot of floating stones. I suppose a push like J5 would do it 

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Simba: Cool, well done to Tim, he's had a really good tournament.

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Simba: Remember yesterday I explained to you the scaling factor decreases for higher-rated players.
Simba: So he might not actually go up very much.
sousys: game over?
sousys: cool
Simba: This is okay for white but only just.
Simba: He needs a well-timed throw-in at S19 or he'll be reduced to ko here.

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Simba: Wow, black cut.
Mr.Voo: i don't think that works after G18

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Simba: Agree.
Simba: Not sure what he's trying.
Simba: C17 maybe?
Simba: There are some liberty things here but it looks okay.

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Simba: Yeah, C17 played.

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Mr.Voo: lol

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Mr.Voo: i don't understand black's thinking 
Simba: No, me neither.
Simba: Another misread I guess.
Mr.Voo: sad
Simba: Yeah, not his finest masterpiece.
Simba: Sure he will be back next year though :) champions don't go away lightly.

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Mr.Voo: if i were white i would push at A14 before playing E19
Simba: "keep it simple stupid" though as the saying goes.
Burrito554: That's an interesting result
Simba: White's going to win.
Simba: Just has to play the simple moves.
Simba: He is plenty ahead.
Burrito554: That's a saying we are using in programming :O
Simba: Haha, what does it mean in programming?
Burrito554: Software development
Simba: Like use simple algorithms or something?
Burrito554: No, build simple code xD
Simba: Oh lol.
Mr.Voo: sometimes they apply it in football. then they receive 2 goals in 5 mins and the game is turned around 
Simba: haha
Burrito554: Lol
Simba: One of the biggest mistakes I see my students make is trying too hard to win when they're ahead.
Simba: Just have to let it happen, relax .
Simba: No need to force it.

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Simba: This corner is now seki.
Mr.Voo: yup 
Mr.Voo: black wasted all the ko threats for 5 points 
SicksonFSJoe: wait
Burrito554: What xD
SicksonFSJoe: oh no isee

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Simba: Like this. :)

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Burrito554: Wasn't there a way for white to live? Or the result is always seki
Simba: Seki is alive. ^^
Burrito554: But he doesn't get points for that :X
Burrito554: Not sure which rules they are using
SicksonFSJoe: points my opponent doesnt get are points for me

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Simba: Chinese rules basically.
Simba: 7.5 komi, but with Japanese counting.
Simba: And odd pass stone mumbo jumbo too.
Simba: It's some weird attempt to try to make Japanese and Chinese scoring give the same score.
marshmn: (AGA rules)
Simba: Modified AGA rules, apparently.
Mr.Voo: yeah, last dame is one point 
Simba: marshmn is the only person in the world who knows these rules.
Mr.Voo: it's the same in france
Simba: But thankfully he is the referee :) .

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Burrito554: Haha,  I never remember rules completely
Simba: marshmn taught me last week that we actually get points for sekis.
Simba: And I'm 5d.
Simba: The more you know.

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Simba: Not sure what black is trying here.
Burrito554: Is that so? Ogs didn't give me points for seki :<
Simba: Yeah, I dunno.
Simba: Some rulesets do, some don't.

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Simba: Just play like it's Tygem.
Simba: Kill or die, then someone resigns.
Mr.Voo: now white can extend at H11
Simba: Then play another game.
Simba: Never need to count.
Simba: Never need to learn endgame.
Simba: Yep, K1 is also good shape here Voo.
Ranchanii: I can just resign if th endgame starts 
Simba: Large endgame and it gives white some nice eyeshape.
Burrito554: Sounds like a samurai fight
Mr.Voo: ah definitely 
Mr.Voo: i love k1
Simba: :)
Burrito554: Why k1 is a good shape? 
Simba: So while white thinks, can anyone see a nice tesuji on the left for white?
Simba: Using the aji of C8.
Burrito554: It's a good way to harass the trumpet thingy I guess 
Ranchanii: b9
Simba: yep
Simba: 'harass the trumpet thingy' lol I love it.
Simba: What do you mean? XD

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Simba: White played over here.

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Simba: Yeah, unsure why not.
Simba: Maybe he figures that black J1 is gote, so black won't play it.
Simba: So white doesn't need to play K1 yet.
Simba: Still, it's so nice to have that firm eyeshape.

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Simba: Aha, he took it now. :)
Simba: He heard us talking.
Simba: Check his pockets, haha.
Burrito554: lol

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Simba: Black drew back? o_O
Simba: Don't understand that at all.

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Simba: And again lol.
MahouBootCamp: lol
Burrito554: I think he's trolling him 
Simba: I guess he is maybe thinking of playing H1 in some variations.
Simba: Definitely.

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Simba: lol, white just calmly tenukies, I love it.
Simba: Style points.

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Simba: The thing is, it's so hard for black to attack with so many holes in his own shape.
Simba: And if black does H1, white can just give up a couple of stones.
Simba: It's not a big deal.

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Simba: White still has K12 available.
Simba: This is totally fine.

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Mr.Voo: white doesn't seem comfortable.
Mr.Voo: too nervious
Mr.Voo: chill bro. it's too easy.
Mr.Voo: M9 would do it
Simba: He has 20 minutes.
Simba: More than enough time.
Simba: But this is the final hurdle and he'll know it.
Simba: If he resolves this, he'll be in the final.

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Simba: This looks clean.

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Simba: K12 is still there.
Simba: 15 minutes to find one of them.
Burrito554: Is there time extension or 15 minutes is all he left with? 

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Simba: There's a short byo-yomi.
Mr.Voo: nice
Mr.Voo: time to resign
Simba: 20sec/move average (Canadian style)
Simba: haha, resignation in this tournament is becoming a meme.
Simba: Every time we say they should resign, they play another 100 moves and the other guys magically wins.

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Mr.Voo: haha
Mr.Voo: maybe not this time
Mr.Voo: it's too endgame-ish
marshmn: clearly they shouldn't resign then :)
Simba: lol
Simba: Clearly they should stop overcomplicating won games.
Simba: Or clearly the BGA should provide digital clocks. ;)
Mr.Voo: :D
Mr.Voo: white doesn't need much thinking from here on. everything is alive

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Mr.Voo: but black did a great job at strengthening his right group while attacking white
Simba: Yeah. Time for b9.
Mr.Voo: seems like black is suddenly catching up in territory. 
Mr.Voo: it was a brilliant attack 

];W[qr];B[pr];W[qp];B[pq]
;W[po]C[

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Simba: I'm not so sure, it looks completely over to me.
Mr.Voo: ok
Simba: Remember there's still aji with B9.
Simba: So black doesn't have all that on the left.
Burrito554: Can someone explain to me how you estimate who is ahead? 
Simba: And if he's not careful, the lower left might not even be seki, white might just live.
Burrito554: All I can see is black moyo 

];B[rj];W[jb];B[kc];W[kb];B[le];W[mn]
;B[lo]C[

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Simba: Basically just count areas one at a time.
Simba: e.g. the top left, white has 14 points.
Simba: 15 including B16.
Simba: At this point in the game, most areas are well defined.
Simba: So you can count them pretty precisely.
Simba: Like the top right for example, want to try counting that?

];W[hr]C[

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Burrito554: 16?

];B[al]C[

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Burrito554: If b takes T13

];W[hd]
;B[he]C[

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Simba: Yep, looks about right :)

];W[df];B[de]
;W[ca]C[

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Burrito554: Ok :)
Simba: Hmm, black got A8, that's not good for white.

];B[ef];W[nf]
;B[mf]C[

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Mr.Voo: yeah. why white doesn't play E1. it looks bigger than O14

];W[ne];B[ng];W[rk];B[no]
;W[nn]C[

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Burrito554: Keeping his sente? 
Simba: H2's definitely a mistake.
Mr.Voo: he lost sente by S9

];B[sg];W[ra];B[rr];W[sr]
(;B[rs];W[ls];B[ms];W[id];B[ie];W[jc];B[kd];W[oi];B[ph];W[es]
;B[lm]C[

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Simba: White could have clamped, yeah.

];W[gc];B[fd];W[mo];B[mp];W[ln]
;B[kn]C[

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Mr.Voo: black has around 50 points in hsi central territory. 
Mr.Voo: and 20 more

];W[jm]
;B[io]C[

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Simba: Another mistake by white here.
Simba: He'll have to fill that ko now.
Simba: So lost sente.

];W[go]C[

-- chat --
Simba: I still think it's a white win.
Simba: But he's making a bit of a meal of the endgame.

];B[mm];W[nm];B[jn];W[ni];B[mi];W[hi];B[hh];W[sj];B[si];W[sk]
;B[lc];W[lb];B[hm]
;W[dm]C[

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Simba: B mistake this time.

];B[dl]C[

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Mr.Voo: yeah. white didn't have to connect
Simba: No need to connect at H8 since there's an eye at the bottom.

];W[er]C[

-- chat --
Simba: White's got almost 90 including komi.
Mr.Voo: white ahead by 8.5 according to some score counting software ;) 
Simba: Black has about 83.
Simba: So yeah, something like that.
Simba: White plus komi.
Burrito554: Why is the komi so high this match? 

];B[eq]
;W[ep]C[

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Ranchanii: mumbo jumbo rules
Mr.Voo: 6.5 is not that high

];B[lf]
;W[me]C[

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Simba: It's 7.5 really.
Mr.Voo: oh
Simba: Damedame times.
Mr.Voo: black played really well starting from the attack on white's group 
Mr.Voo: and compensated a lot 
marshmn: komi is 7.5 as per AGA rules
Simba: Yeah, but white didn't counter-attack.
Simba: Since he was so far ahead.
Mr.Voo: white didn't get a chance to think about attacking black's weak group on teh right
Simba: It's more that he didn't need to.
Mr.Voo: or yeah maybe he just didn't bother
Simba: Yeah.
Simba: Like he played S3.
marshmn: when passing you have to give a stone to your opponent, and white must pass last
Simba: (there's a reason marshmn is the only one who knows the rules!)
Simba: I played a stone on top of a stone I already had on the board instead of passing when I played him IRL.
Mr.Voo: that sounds like marshmallow 
marshmn: W+resign
Simba: And then took it back and it was his turn.
Simba: Yeah, well played Daniel :)
Simba: Gratz on reaching the final.
marshmn: Daniel now progresses to the title match
Simba: How do Andrew's and Charles' games look?
Burrito554: Good game, Thank you for commenting Simba 
Simba: You're welcome, thanks for interacting :) .
Burrito554: It's nice to see actual comments that are not chinese xD
Simba: Well I offer private lessons :) if you're interested, can private message me.
Simba: For a small price.
Burrito554: I actually though about it, still I don't have a lot of free time though
Simba: It's cool, you know where to find me if you change your mind :) .
Burrito554: Of course :)
Burrito554: Have a nice day! ^^
Simba: Likewise! ^^
Simba: If we have a playoff match, then we'll be back at 2:30pm UK time, 9:30am Eastern time for that.
Simba: Otherwise, this was the final game of the tournament!
Simba: So a big thanks to everyone who has joined over the past four days and discussed or watched, hope you all found it useful.
marshmn: Charles looks to be winning
Simba: And exciting :) .
marshmn: Andrew's looks harder to say
Simba: Let me know on Discord what happens, going to hop off here now.
Simba: l8rzz

])
(;B[qs]C[

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Burrito554: Can white make more point by attacking the knight at L7,M5? 

]))
(;W[lk];B[nk]
;W[nj]C[

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Simba: Or like this.
Simba: So many ways.

]))
(;B[jh]
;W[mj]C[

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Simba: Like this for example.
Simba: And he's connected out.

])
(;B[nk]
;W[li]C[

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Simba: Otherwise this kind of idea.
Simba: Also fine.

];B[kh];W[mj];B[nj];W[mi]))
(;W[]C[

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Ranchanii: looks like a long shot

];B[hs]
(;W[hr]
;B[is]C[

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Simba: Like now that is no eye.

])
(;W[gs])
(;W[is];B[gs];W[fs];B[fr];W[hr]
;B[gs]C[

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Simba: And that is also no eye.

])))
(;B[ks];W[kr]
;B[is]C[

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Simba: This just doesn't work.

]))
(;W[js];B[ks];W[is]
;B[kr]C[

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Simba: Like this, white has an eye at H2.
Simba: But if he didn't play here, then...
Mr.Voo: B9
Mr.Voo: inseed
Mr.Voo: indeed*
Mr.Voo: wow he didn't play K1
Mr.Voo: what a shock 
Mr.Voo: he wants to put pressure on black

];W[mi]C[

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Simba: For example maybe now he could play more aggressively.
Simba: Rather than worrying about his group getting cut off.
Burrito554: Is this eyespace an urgent move? 
Simba: Well it allows him to attack more forcefully like this.
Mr.Voo: hm yeah. k1 is the obvious move. 
Simba: Since his group is stronger.

])
(;W[ca];B[is]
;W[hr]C[

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Simba: Black can get rid of that eye.

];B[fq]
;W[gq]C[

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Simba: And white's shape gets a bit messed up like this.
Burrito554: Ahh understood 
Simba: That large triangle shape is very bad.
Simba: Don't make it.
TobyM: B9
Mr.Voo: lol ke keeps doing that

])
(;W[bk];B[dl];W[al]
;B[bj]C[

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Simba: And yeah, like this.
TobyM: big ko

]))
(;B[br];W[ds];B[es]
;W[cs]C[

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Simba: Like this also.
SicksonFSJoe: yeah

]))
(;W[dd];B[db]
;W[bc]C[

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Mr.Voo: B16

];B[cb];W[bb];B[be]
;W[bd]C[

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Simba: Black can get B15 in sente like this.
Simba: So probably G2 was a mistake.
Simba: And should have been B14.
Simba: To erase this aji first in sente.

]))
(;B[sg]
(;W[ra];B[sa];W[sc];B[sh]
;W[sf]C[

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Simba: Like this.

])
(;W[sc]C[

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Simba: If he hanes, which looks normal, then...

];B[sb];W[sd]
;B[sh]C[

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Mr.Voo: now throw in
Mr.Voo: works too 
Simba: Haha, nope, still fine.
Simba: Yep.
Simba: reading, blurgh

])))
(;B[re];W[rd];B[rc];W[se];B[rb]))
(;W[bf];B[bg];W[be]
;B[cg]C[

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Simba: Like so.

]))
(;W[pg];B[qh];W[og];B[ng]
;W[pf]C[

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Simba: This sort of thing.

];B[me]C[

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Mr.Voo: no eye space left

];W[oi];B[oh];W[ph];B[qi]
(;W[rd])
(;W[rf]C[

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Simba: Now like this.

];B[rk];W[rl];B[rj];W[rd];B[si]
;W[sk]C[

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Simba: Can kill it.
Mr.Voo: yea

])))
(;B[og]))
(;W[of]
;B[ne]C[

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Mr.Voo: i always  thought IGS is 1-2 stone stronger than KGS and OGS is 1-2 stones stronger than IGS

];W[md]C[

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Mr.Voo: and AGA is like KGS. 
Simba: White should play that atari first.
Simba: No reason to let black extend to P14.
Simba: Like this.

];B[nf]
(;W[mb]C[

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Simba: This at the very least.

])
(;W[og]C[

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Simba: Or here first, maybe it's possible.

])))
(;B[rb];W[ra];B[rc];W[nd];B[oe];W[of];B[ne]
;W[md]C[

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Simba: Like this.
Simba: Now one of O18 and O15 are going to die.
Simba: So black's corner is dead.

])
(;B[nd]))
(;B[pb]
;W[nb]C[

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bugcat: I see

];B[mc]
;W[mb]C[

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bugcat: strange then

];B[lc];W[lb];B[kc]
;W[qc]C[

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Simba: Like this.

]))
(;W[qc]C[

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Simba: He's going to get captured.
Simba: Like so.

]
(;B[pb]
;W[qb]C[

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Simba: And this also captures R16.
bugcat: good morning guys
Burrito554: And if b abandons the stones inside and go for influence himself?
Simba: So this is a complete disaster.
Simba: Bugcat. <3

])
(;B[nb]
;W[pb]C[

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Simba: Like this, Burrito?
Simba: This is also terrible for black.
Simba: White got a huge corner now.
Simba: And black still needs another move to make a base.

];B[kc]
;W[me]C[

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Simba: Now if white comes here say...
Simba: Q11's almost dead.
Simba: So this is no good for black either.

])))
(;B[pb];W[nd];B[re];W[rf];B[rc]
;W[ih]C[

-- chat --
Simba: White can just play like this.
Mr.Voo: nah, i'll be here. just a short nap
Simba: Let black have a tiny gote life.
Simba: And just expand and take a lovely outside position.
Simba: No need to try to kill R16; it punishes itself.
Simba: And cool, cya soon then :) .
Simba: Consider this final position for a moment.
Simba: O17 is almost totally dead.
Simba: Q11 has nowhere to run to.
Simba: And white can play J15 too unless black stops him.
Simba: White black got a measly ~9 points in the corner.
Burrito554: I see, Good result for white
Simba: While*
Simba: Yeah, very.
marshmn: I would put Andrew Simons & Charles ahead in both their games
marshmn: not certainties at this stage by any means though
marshmn: Tim Hunt has beaten Joanne Leung in their final round game
marshmn: Tim finishes on 4 wins, Joanne on 1
marshmn: he should get some decent rating points
marshmn: live results here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eD07a5CHv8UMJwPPLar_zHvqO0VYCDqwlxnApgJGi9w/edit#gid=0
marshmn: not this one

]))
(;W[oi]C[

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Enumaris: even if he knows the shape from a book
Enumaris: his outside is probably way weaker than it was in the book
Enumaris: lol
Simba: Maybe, hard to be sure.
Enumaris: book corner life and death usually have like the assumption white can't hane out
Simba: I like this hane on the top here.
Simba: Yeah indeed.
Simba: O17 is still very weak.
Simba: It feels like if white plays aggressively here he should be able to kill one or the other.
Simba: Push black up towards O17 then cut between.
Burrito554: What if b extends on P15?

];B[oe]
;W[ph]C[

-- chat --
Simba: White can just play here.
Simba: Taking this one stone is huge, white's entire left becomes very solid.
Simba: And O17/P15 are still not settled.
Simba: Q11 can't run away if that wasn't obvious.

];B[qi];W[qj];B[qh]
;W[pg]C[

-- chat --
Simba: It's trapped in there, not enough room to live.

])
(;W[ph]C[

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Simba: At this point?
Burrito554: Aha

];B[oi]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Black can just come back like this.

];W[qi]C[

-- chat --
Simba: This is kind of like if white haned underneath.
Simba: It's a bit soft on black.
Burrito554: Is this a good result? 

];B[oj]C[

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Simba: No.

];W[pk]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Black got away quite cleanly here.
Simba: Rather than getting attacked.

]))
(;W[sa];B[an]
;W[bp]C[

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Simba: What if white just connects like this.
Simba: This kinda is like an L+1 group.
Simba: But black wants to push ideally.
Simba: That won't work.
Enumaris: a5 usually dead, but a4 is sente in this case
G-O: i have to go thanks Simba for relay and answering questions
Simba: Yep.
Simba: You're welcome, G-O :) thanks for participating, glad you found it useful.

];B[br]))
(;W[sa]C[

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Simba: Well let's suppose white tenukies.
Enumaris: instead of b4
Enumaris: a ko

]
(;B[an]C[

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Enumaris: is a3

];W[ao]
(;B[bp];W[al]
;B[am]C[

-- chat --
Simba: This isn't going to work.

];W[bq]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Like so.
Enumaris: hmm

])
(;B[aq];W[al]
;B[am]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Like this
Simba: ?
Enumaris: yeah
Enumaris: I ask cus if u descend A5 isntead of a4 in the large pig's mouth
Enumaris: u get a ko at a3

]
(;W[bq];B[ar])
(;W[bk]C[

-- chat --
Enumaris: but I can't remember how to get that ko...
Simba: There's some aji with this move.

]
(;B[ak]
;W[cl]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Like this.

])
(;B[cl]
;W[ak]C[

-- chat --
Enumaris: right..
Simba: Maybe black can resist though.

];B[cj]
;W[bi]C[

-- chat --
Enumaris: I can't even remember the sequence for the regular one
Simba: The problem is though now if white takes the ko, black's entire left side got trashed.
Simba: So this would be a super expensive ko for black.

]))))
(;B[br]
(;W[bq];B[cs];W[bs];B[as]
;W[ap]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Like this is a ko.

])
(;W[bs]C[

-- chat --
Simba: If white hanes, then...
G-O: b a4 to start?

]
(;B[aq];W[bq];B[ar]
;W[ap]C[

-- chat --
Simba: This is alive.

])
(;B[bq];W[bp];B[ar];W[an]
;B[ap]C[

-- chat --
Simba: This is also seki.
Simba: Looks like a killing shape but white will have A1 and A5 as liberties.

])))
(;B[ap]
;W[bp]C[

-- chat --
G-O: a3

];B[aq]C[

-- chat --
G-O: ?? i could be miles off
Simba: It's hard for black to make a killing shape in there.

];W[br];B[cs];W[bs];B[ar]
;W[an]C[

-- chat --
Simba: For example like this is seki.
G-O: ok yes
Simba: If black can't kill it outright, white needs to take sente.

])
(;B[cs]C[

-- chat --
Simba: How about this one.

];W[bs]C[

-- chat --
G-O: so guess is A7 is a bluff! heh

];B[br]
;W[ds]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Like this would just be alive.
Enumaris: this is like a long L with a turn except c5 is a black stone..-.-
Simba: haha, yeah.

])))
(;B[hn];W[gn];B[go]
;W[ip]C[

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Simba: White can play this atari, it's good timing.

];B[jq]
;W[fp]C[

-- chat --
Simba: And then capture with this.
Simba: So his shape here is still resilient.

])
(;B[gp];W[hp];B[hn];W[gn]
;B[go]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Then cuts again.

];W[fq]C[

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Simba: This move captures everything.
Simba: Unplayable for black.

])
(;B[er];W[fq];B[cr];W[br];B[bs];W[ar];B[bp];W[bq]
;B[ap]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Like this.

]))
(;W[hn];B[im]
;W[gl]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Just like this now, no need for fancy play.
Simba: This would be a success for white, given how weak black's wall has become.

]))
(;B[hr]
;W[gr]C[

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Simba: And in the endgame, it means this move is an atari.
Simba: So black can't cut at G2 like he would have been able to otherwise here.

]))
(;W[eo];B[do];W[hn];B[im]
;W[gl]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Like this, white won't have trouble.
Simba: And E5 is a ladder breaker for black's push and cut.

]))
(;W[hp]
;B[in]C[

-- chat --
Simba: But when you're invading, you want to stay light.
Simba: So here white might play differently.

])
(;W[io]C[

-- chat --
Simba: This, or...

])
(;W[eo]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Maybe something like this too.
Simba: Black's wall isn't super thick.

]))
(;B[dr]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Maybe white could just give the entire corner up.
hfgl: where's the right line? @_@, so many variations

];W[cr]
;B[ho]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Like this, say.
Simba: H3 shouldn't die but black will become very thick.

]))
(;W[oj]C[

-- chat --
TobyM: Instead of P4, should B have played at R3 immediately?
Simba: For example if white just plays here, the right is getting kinda big.

];B[pg]
;W[ng]C[

-- chat --
Simba: But then if black shoulder hits, white can resist like this.
Simba: P10 will help in this fight.
Simba: And no, P4 is a good reply to R3.

]))
(;B[pg]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Black can play this to reduce the right side, also.
Simba: So it's not as big as it perhaps looks.
Simba: And this will build more influence.

];W[pf];B[ng];W[og];B[oh];W[of]
;B[mi]C[

-- chat --
Simba: This kind of idea.

]))
(;B[cf]
;W[qq]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Even if white plays here, it's not a big deal.
Simba: Black already has K4 so his shape is not going to end up weak from this.
Simba: He could tenuki this again.

]))
(;W[pj]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Perhaps just over here.

]))
(;W[df]C[

-- chat --
Simba: White can come here now though.
Simba: No need to keep playing in the lower left anymore.

]))
(;B[cf]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Black could play like this to try to build a big moyo.
Simba: But it's still really open. Maybe this is too ambitious.

])
(;B[pc]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Maybe this one.
Simba: AlphaGo seems to prefer this one to the slide at Q18.
Simba: Because it feels the slide is gote, whereas this one is more likely to end in sente.
Simba: Traditionally we'd only play this one to settle quickly if we were in danger, but perhaps it's more applicable than that.

])
(;B[pb]
;W[df]C[

-- chat --
Simba: If black just slides, then white can come out like this.
Simba: And black's thickness already looks kinda meh.

]))
(;B[fd];W[de]
;B[kd]C[

-- chat --
marshmn: good morning
Simba: But if white exchanges this, then the H17 invasion isn't as severe.
Simba: Since white can't connect under anymore.
Simba: So this looks like white helped black fix his problem.
marshmn: for those watching: if Daniel wins this game, he will definitely be in the title match for this year's British Championship

]))
(;W[cf]
;B[kd]C[

-- chat --
Simba: And here, white can still invade at H17.

]))
(;B[gd]))
(;B[pd];W[as]
(;B[pj];W[]
(;B[ar];W[])
(;B[jd];W[qc];B[qd];W[pc];B[oc];W[ob];B[nc];W[nb];B[mc];W[rd]
;B[re]
;W[rc]C[

-- chat --
Enumaris: I see..

];B[qf]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Here, both of the extensions are working well.
Enumaris: hmm

]))
(;B[qj];W[ar];B[jc];W[qc];B[qd];W[pc];B[oc];W[ob];B[nc];W[nb]
;B[mc];W[rd];B[re];W[rc]
;B[qf]C[

-- chat --
Simba: But here, neither of them are.
Simba: K17 wants top territory, but N18 is open.
Simba: And R10 is not building well from the huge wall.

];W[oi]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Can reduce with something like this easily.
Enumaris: alright
Enumaris: thx
Simba: np :)

]))
(;B[dp];W[pp];B[dd];W[pd];B[gq];W[iq]
;B[kq]C[

-- chat --
G-O: i do about connecting underneath and blocking connection
G-O: but i dont fully get it
Simba: To block black, yeah.
Simba: Okay, so.
Simba: Suppose white jumps up, the normal move.

]
(;W[jp]C[

-- chat --
G-O: 1. From move 0: D4 Q4 D16 Q16 G3 J3 L3 K4 
G-O: i see this move to block white from connecting underneath

];B[ir]C[

-- chat --
Simba: But here...

];W[hr]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Block the other side to your diagonal move.

];B[hq]C[

-- chat --
Simba: And if he tries the same idea...

];W[jr];B[jq]
;W[ip]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Doesn't work. :)
G-O: got it

])
(;W[io]
;B[ir]C[

-- chat --
Simba: Then black can attach.
G-O: ok

];W[jr];B[jq];W[hr];B[ip];W[hq]
;B[hp]C[

-- chat --
Simba: And come through like this.
G-O: ah yes
Simba: So that jump up still allows black to connect.

])
(;W[ip]C[

-- chat --
Simba: This move also worksl.
G-O: great thanks! i couldnt see the first variation fully
G-O: ok
Simba: ^^

]))
(;B[cq];W[dq];B[cp];W[dp];B[bo];W[co];B[cr];W[bn];B[ao];W[cn]
;B[pd];W[dr];B[nc];W[bl];B[qe]
;W[aq]C[

-- chat --
Enumaris: I remember this should be a ko, but I can't remember how to get there. From move 0: C3 D3 C4 D4 B5 C5 C2 B6 A5 C6 Q16 D2 O17 B8 R15 A3 

]))
