(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[10800]OT[10/600 Canadian]
GN[British Champ. Title Match Game 2]PW[Andrew Simons]PB[Daniel Hu]WR[4d]BR[4d]DT[2017-09-30]
;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dq]
;W[pd]
;B[cn]C[valkyre [1k\]: finally, something to watch
sh [3k\]: It's the title match
valkyre [1k\]: it's been bored at kgs
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;W[nq]
;B[qn]C[cam411 [2k\]: you wasnt interested in the guo juan review valkyre ?
valkyre [1k\]: when was it?
cam411 [2k\]: now it is =)
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;W[dn]C[cam411 [2k\]: wow
cam411 [2k\]: is that modern move we ve already seen somewhere ?
sibickyfan [10k?\]: good luck to players
sh [3k\]: This kind of move was introduced by Inoue house
sh [3k\]: Before designing hatsuyron
r0n1n [2d\]: this move became popular after Alphago's games
r0n1n [2d\]: it's an attempt at switching back to the position where black has an enclosure at c5 and white approaches at d6 
r0n1n [2d\]: to make black overconcentrated
BGAadmin [-\]: So far Black has used 20 mins and W 10
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;B[do]C[valkyre [1k\]: how does w play here, 3 stones vs 1 stone in lower left
sh [3k\]: Maybe extend, but doubt any good result as w, afai can see this one was very high level probe or sth like that
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;W[cm]C[valkyre [1k\]: i guess c7
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;B[dm]
;W[en]
;B[cl]C[topos [3k\]: i can, too, after all
valkyre [1k\]: maybe w can get corner now
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;W[co]
;B[bm]
;W[bn]
;B[cm]C[topos [3k\]: low side
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;W[dp]C[valkyre [1k\]: nice, w started from 1 stone vs 3 stones
valkyre [1k\]: so its a b fatilure
topos [3k\]: B is stronger now
valkyre [1k\]: well, its b's corner that is being attacked anyway
sh [3k\]: It's too abstract to explain
topos [3k\]: B also want low side
topos [3k\]: wants (sorry)
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;B[eo]C[valkyre [1k\]: oh b gives up corner
valkyre [1k\]: but not completely
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;W[ep]
;B[fo]C[topos [3k\]: strugle for center was added now
valkyre [1k\]: b wants to seal w in the corner
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;W[cp]
;B[fp]C[topos [3k\]: of course
valkyre [1k\]: w could have f4
sh [3k\]: Not much to be gained by sealing off
valkyre [1k\]: i like b here
BGAadmin [-\]: Both players standing up to take a different view of the board
valkyre [1k\]: b in sente mode
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;W[eq]
;B[fq]C[f33332: andrew is uberdude?
BGAadmin [-\]: yes
valkyre [1k\]: l3 next?
valkyre [1k\]: maybe w is better since 2 star move above
BGAadmin [-\]: After one hours play, B has used 26 mins and W 34 mins
valkyre [1k\]: wow, 1 hr and they only play 25 moves
BGAadmin [-\]: main time is 3 hours each
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;W[fr]C[valkyre [1k\]: f2 looks bad
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;B[gr]
;W[er]C[valkyre [1k\]: guess he is afraid b e2 to get sente
valkyre [1k\]: o3 in trouble
valkyre [1k\]: p3 or m3
valkyre [1k\]: m3 seems bigger
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;B[oq]C[sh [3k\]: Seems you are wrong this time
valkyre [1k\]: y am i wrong?
sh [3k\]: This way actually b can force w into his influence
valkyre [1k\]: middle bottom got more area than the corner
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;W[np]C[sh [3k\]: If you are going to chase something you need to provide enclosed area
valkyre [1k\]: m3 is pincer
valkyre [1k\]: so its enclosed area
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;B[kq]C[valkyre [1k\]: too slow
valkyre [1k\]: p3 is good if w play o4
cam411 [2k\]: wht is better for you ?
valkyre [1k\]: p2
cam411 [2k\]: if w doesnt play o4
cam411 [2k\]: w  p2 instead o4 ? =)
valkyre [1k\]: yes
valkyre [1k\]: with l3 w can only run up
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;W[nm]C[cam411 [2k\]: with b influence you agree b plays o4 him self ?
valkyre [1k\]: b get nice shape with l7
cam411 [2k\]: it s small no ?
cam411 [2k\]: building suth without lower left corner ... splited in two by o4 ?
valkyre [1k\]: p6 o6 q9  also possible
cam411 [2k\]: seems small
sh [3k\]: Would do k8 as w but doesn't help much
valkyre [1k\]: b is thinking of cutting directly?
valkyre [1k\]: o6
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;B[pm]
;W[kp]C[Whirlwind [?\]: please take sente black
BGAadmin [-\]: After 90 mins, B has used 43 mins and W 47 mins
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;B[jp]C[Whirlwind [?\]: w must playk4 surely
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;W[jo]C[sh [3k\]: W is the winner after this hane
sh [3k\]: May as well resign
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;B[io]C[Whirlwind [?\]: L5 M4 L6 K3 J4 L2 R14 idea O8 eventually looks like one way white can go wrong
valkyre [1k\]: game is still early, both side doesnt have much points
Whirlwind [?\]: white's problem is black's thickness, black's problemis bad aji
Whirlwind [?\]: just connect
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;W[jq]
;B[ip]
;W[lq]
;B[kr]C[Whirlwind [?\]: >_<
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;W[ko]C[Whirlwind [?\]: why indulge in aji keshi ...
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;B[cf]
;W[df]
;B[dg]
;W[cg]C[BGAadmin [-\]: As a reminder, in one hour we will take a lunch break. The last move will be a sealed move
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;B[be]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Time check: After two hours, B has used 57 mins and W 63 mins
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;W[cd]
;B[ch]
;W[bg]
;B[bh]
;W[eg]
;B[dh]
;W[bf]
;B[ce]
;W[de]
;B[bd]
;W[bc]
;B[ag]
;W[jd]C[ChocoChip [3k\]: What game is this?
ChocoChip [3k\]: British Championship Title Match Game 2, I see
ChocoChip [3k\]: Between Andrfew Simons (w) and Daniel Hu
ChocoChip [3k\]: Because I'm dumb...
BGAadmin [-\]: Daniel won the first game and it is best of three
ChocoChip [3k\]: Thank you BGAadmin!
]
;B[qf]C[ChocoChip [3k\]: Can any strong players answer, what is white thinking about now?
ChocoChip [3k\]: Isn't this a familiar enough situation that has been read a hundred times before that white can just select a joseki or joseki variation that is good enough?
ChocoChip [3k\]: How much is he matching up his response to R14 with the rest of the board far away?
BGAadmin [-\]: Time check: after 2 hours 30, B has used 72 mins and W 78 mins
runderlap [5d\]: Chocochip, you are underrating the number of possibilities. This situation has exactly NEVER been seen before. Similar situations? Yes, sure. 
runderlap [5d\]: W has a few standard options: defend at o17 or o16. Alternatively pincer around  q11 or q12, etc. Or, less standard, expand the moyo with q14 or p14. Sometimes r16 or s15 or even r15 is possible.
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;W[pf]C[ChocoChip [3k\]: Thank you runderlap
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;B[pg]C[ChocoChip [3k\]: I agree/understand this position has NEVER been played before, but my 3k mind can't understand why it takes so long to compare those options you listed plus a few more
runderlap [5d\]: I think this is the wrong choice, but anyway.
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;W[qg]C[ChocoChip [3k\]: Like how deep are they reading? Are they seeing exactly how upper right connects with possibilities for left and bottom development or something?
runderlap [5d\]: Well, probably around 5 moves or so.
runderlap [5d\]: But with our human mind, we make some kind of decision, which we then back up with some kind of rational reason.
runderlap [5d\]: NOT the other way, usually.
runderlap [5d\]: Does it work? In a way, yes. In fact, we employ hordes of people do to just that. Some of these people have a special name. They are called politicians.
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;B[re]
;W[qd]C[Whirlwind [?\]: r12
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;B[qh]
;W[rg]C[runderlap [5d\]: But does it work for go? Well, our brains are not big and precise enough to read out all possibilities. We therefor rely on past (good) experiences.
Whirlwind [?\]: ... white
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;B[rh]C[ChocoChip [3k\]: South Korea's president is supposedly a 4dan player of baduk
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;W[og]
;B[ph]
;W[rf]
;B[qe]
;W[pe]
;B[rd]
;W[rc]
;B[sg]C[saiiii [2d\]: lol is it a troll game ? 
runderlap [5d\]: W probably was happy with the result on the left, and B too. So they copied it.
saiiii [2d\]: k2 
runderlap [5d\]: k14 ? - the question is, will all of the top be territory?
]
;W[jg]C[runderlap [5d\]: hehehe
Whirlwind [?\]: nah, b can invade and live
runderlap [5d\]: I think we can look forward to a nice invasion, e.g. at k17 
saiiii [2d\]: m13 h13 is also good
runderlap [5d\]: On the left side, B's position seems overconcentratred. But on the right side, B looks great
ChocoChip [3k\]: Lol
Whirlwind [?\]: b has 61.5, w  86
runderlap [5d\]: n13 or g13 look even more vital, if you ask me (which you may not, why listen to a 7d if there is a 3d around).
runderlap [5d\]: 2d, sorry for that insult...
runderlap [5d\]: + komi. Whirlwind?
Whirlwind [?\]: sorry, yes, I tagged the half onto black's count, not white's and didn't add komi
runderlap [5d\]: IMHO, B has about 75 pnts
BGAadmin [-\]: the referee has called for the next move to be sealed
Whirlwind [?\]: also, I didn't count e6 as black's because they aren't captured, but if black captures on a large scale (as black should) it gets closer
runderlap [5d\]: So probably a deep invadion is not necessary
Whirlwind [?\]: I can't see black winning this
runderlap [5d\]: yes, I agree, Whirlwind
runderlap [5d\]: I can't see B losing this.
Whirlwind [?\]: I gave black all 3 of b5 and sente yose, a17 and t17, and it isn't reasonable because in reality, these are white sente
runderlap [5d\]: I would invade at k17 
runderlap [5d\]: Right, Whirlwind, that gives me a more accurate picture of your strength, rather than that of the position at hand.
bleu [4k?\]: F11 large
Whirlwind [?\]: the interesting line (for me) is for black to try e12 f13, j12, k6/L7, but that's lot of unanswered moves 
runderlap [5d\]: B should not play f11 
Whirlwind [?\]: that is, try to make something out of the g9 area, but its still a big ask
bleu [4k?\]: runderlap, you mean b has no time to play f11?
runderlap [5d\]: IMHO, it is better to play g13 - this will not die. If We defends around g15, B can seal at e12 
bleu [4k?\]: ah
runderlap [5d\]: So that would be an improvement, but unly in terms of tactics.
BGAadmin [-\]: we are now going to lunch - we will be back in approximately 1 hour
BGAadmin [-\]: move has been sealed
Whirlwind [?\]: its a hard position because b is behind and has too many holes
runderlap [5d\]: However, I am not sure, this is the strategical line you want to follow.
Grunman [2k\]:  b behind?
runderlap [5d\]: So, again, my preference is a very deep invasion at k17 
ChocoChip [3k\]: What about something that puts pressure on L4 white stones?
Whirlwind [?\]: absolutely black is behind
ChocoChip [3k\]: Like J6 or K7 or related
runderlap [5d\]: B can play k2 at best IF he wants to pressure l5 group.
Whirlwind [?\]: k2 white with an resolved centre like this would be declaration of victory
ChocoChip [3k\]: b can invade top to make a big reduction, but also help white to solidify too
bleu [4k?\]: L5 has miai of L8 and K2, so it lloks safe to me
ChocoChip [3k\]: Thank you for explaining runderlap
ChocoChip [3k\]: Super helpful
runderlap [5d\]: Sure
bleu [4k?\]: can b wiin this without invading ?
bleu [4k?\]: w top is formidable
runderlap [5d\]: Since, we dont know how we are gonna play at the top yet, the exchange of k2 for j6 h6 j7 might be a very bad idea indeed
Whirlwind [?\]: make 25 points around g9 whilst white doesn't get any more, bleu
Whirlwind [?\]: its not going to happen
ChocoChip [3k\]: White top wide open, white can invade under K16 stone
runderlap [5d\]: So, I repeat.... IMHO, B k17 is the only move.
ChocoChip [3k\]: Probably worth it but I don't know if now is good timing
Whirlwind [?\]: how many points do you think a living invasion is worth here, given that you'll give white sente
bleu [4k?\]: IMHO = IM5DO, so I take it :)
runderlap [5d\]: To play a good move, there is never a better timing than now.
runderlap [5d\]: (IMHO, again)
runderlap [5d\]: I don't think it will die that easily
runderlap [5d\]: for example:
zinn [?\]: even if b lives, he needs to live a bit large, w has a lot of points
runderlap [5d\]: k17 l17 l16 m17 d18 c18 j17 
bleu [4k?\]: OT, what is the time control?
Whirlwind [?\]: k17 should be black's next move anyway, if you don't challenge white here you're busted
Epithany [5k\]: This is what I call a long think time...
runderlap [5d\]: Believe me, he has made a choice. Rationalizing it takes up most of the time.
alexrix [?\]: They may be having a lunch break?
Epithany [5k\]: The thinking was meant to cover variation exploration...
Epithany [5k\]: Normally KGS would announce lunch break if there was one
runderlap [5d\]: Well, we'll do the thinking for them...
runderlap [5d\]: k17 j17 q18 r18 j16 h17 l17 l16 
runderlap [5d\]: after that hane at, next W cuts at m17 and B sacs those stones in an elegant manner.
runderlap [5d\]: That should give a close game
runderlap [5d\]: Incidentally, W r3 is not possible.
runderlap [5d\]: r3 p2 s5 s6 r5 q5 s2 r1 s1 t5 kills
runderlap [5d\]: As you can notice, q7 is at the right spot to cover the cut that would normally appear at q6 
Warfreak2 [-\]: i prefer b
Warfreak2 [-\]: this seems like b can easily live in the top and give w little in exchange
runderlap [5d\]: that's my point.
runderlap [5d\]: Well, that is to say, if I'd make a point, that's the one I would want to be making.
Warfreak2 [-\]: :D
runderlap [5d\]: Yes, my lady.
Warfreak2 [-\]: this conversation is now weird.
Timk [-\]: sorry for ascing
Timk [-\]: it's real time game ?
Timk [-\]: *k
woebegone [-\]: which kibitz conversation isn't weird?
Warfreak2 [-\]: yes, it's real time. this is how slow british players think
runderlap [5d\]: That;s the only risk you ever have when you engage in a conversation.
woebegone [-\]: what's th einvasion point? k17?
woebegone [-\]: *the invasion
Timk [-\]: i'm not sure there is any...
Warfreak2 [-\]: k17 or k18 are both plausible
runderlap [5d\]: I have explained it above in great detail.
woebegone [-\]: sorry runder, i've just joined
runderlap [5d\]: k18 is sometimes an option, too.
Warfreak2 [-\]: oh. in that case, before you joined the chat, i explained the meaning of life and proved the riemann hypothesis
Timk [-\]: how about o13-like moves ?
runderlap [5d\]: Well, a good point of reference is to see what the conversation is about and then try to make a contribution.
woebegone [-\]: :D
Warfreak2 [-\]: i don't see a point to o13, do you want o13 o14 o12 and fight o3, or something?
woebegone [-\]: no, kgs vhat is not that serious
Timk [-\]: yes
woebegone [-\]: *chat
Timk [-\]: i'm talking about m3 too
Timk [-\]: not alive yet..
Warfreak2 [-\]: o3 is hard to fight, w k2 makes easy life so you must start at k2
runderlap [5d\]: we already covered that, too, Timk
Timk [-\]: i'
woebegone [-\]: i wonder if anyone ever does read back before joining kibitz
Timk [-\]: i'm sorry im late :)
runderlap [5d\]: I am not wondering. 
Timk [-\]: yes didn't read
woebegone [-\]: don't let yourself get bullied :)
Warfreak2 [-\]: TL;DR
runderlap [5d\]: You are not late, Timk. 
Timk [-\]: seems main fun in future
Timk [-\]: i mean how B handle this
runderlap [5d\]: You only have to upgrade your skill set.
runderlap [5d\]: OK, while we are off-topic anyway, what about W playing q5 r5 r3 ?
Timk [-\]: maybe q5 r5 is enoguh
Timk [-\]: or directily r3 
runderlap [5d\]: At that moment B can still descent at p2 because cutting at r4 in not a problem, because B can play at p5 
Timk [-\]: just to test
woebegone [-\]: forgive my ignorance, but isn't the corner small compared to the top?
runderlap [5d\]: Timk, we already covered a direct invasion at r3 
Timk [-\]: haha, i'm alte evertywhere :D
runderlap [5d\]: Yes, that's why I qualified it as "off -topic".
Timk [-\]: have you already covered resign ? :)
woebegone [-\]: do people usuall like having a chat with you, runderlap?
runderlap [5d\]: BUT, something very important, top pros think about these local problems. They come up with sequences and best results for each localized fight, both in case of sente and gote.
runderlap [5d\]: I don't know woebegone.
Timk [-\]: i suppose main topic now is about sente...
runderlap [5d\]: Somebody asked to explain the situation, so I did.
runderlap [5d\]: The main topic is not about sente, I think. You basically have sente any time it is your turn,.
Timk [-\]: woe, i think noone likes dialogue with him :D
runderlap [5d\]: Well, if you ask reasonable questions or say something useful. Just don't ask the same questions again.
runderlap [5d\]: e.g. you can question B k2, W j6 as a good response and claim that B might cut at k6 
runderlap [5d\]: and... that is probably good for B
woebegone [-\]: it's kibitz chat, runder. ppl come and go
woebegone [-\]: i'm grateful for all the insights i've read from you sofar
runderlap [5d\]: Well, I am just speaking for myself, but I am not so interested in explaining things twice. EXCEPT if there is a question about the explanation.
woebegone [-\]: but don't expect me to read what was said before i arrived
runderlap [5d\]: Of course, I can fool around like every other guy, but then it won't be about the actual game.
runderlap [5d\]: I am telling you, woebegone, that all the questions you ever had about anything have already been answered :-)
eurogoheb [3d\]: white having a boviz
Tree [8k\]: nice moyo
runderlap [5d\]: eurogoheb, who is David de Most?
runderlap [5d\]: OK, I read your little article. OK, I get it.
runderlap [5d\]: eurogoheb, LOL
fatih [2d?\]: is k18 good here? (it is symmetrical) or just something like m17 or g13?
eurogoheb [3d\]: thanks chris
Tree [8k\]: a deep invasion at k17 seems possible, if black dies he does not lose much
agony [5k\]: not losing much is not enough to win
Tree [8k\]: well, he could live :-)
Tree [8k\]: I would give it a try
bleen [1d\]: how much time he has left?
Warfreak2 [-\]: enough for a second pint with lunch, i'd say
eurogoheb [3d\]: check with the planning office first
Tree [8k\]: are the players permitted to use alcohol or drugs ?
Haskell [1k\]: of course
Tree [8k\]: ok, just curious
j1s2g4: ,
j1s2g4: is it done?
eurogoheb [3d\]: is G12 too boring here?
fatih [2d?\]: g13 slightly better than g12
Haskell [1k\]: seems not sufficient to win. and asymmetric
Tree [8k\]: k11 for symmetry then ?
Haskell [1k\]: k17
Tree [8k\]: yeah, can aldarkronin [-\]: Can they take such a long break?
BGAadmin [-\]: hi all
BGAadmin [-\]: we're back now and will be starting again shortly
Tree [8k\]: great
Tree [8k\]: was the beer ok ?
Warfreak2 [-\]: who's BGAadminning today?
maproomad [-\]: Matt Marsh
Warfreak2 [-\]: *thumbs up*
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;B[jb]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: wheeee!
BGAadmin [-\]: Well, your next session is from Matt R (speaking here). And the beer was very pleasant
Tree [8k\]: 100 points for symmetry
Warfreak2 [-\]: 100 points is optimistic
maproomad [-\]: Now Andrew will have to think for ages to decide which side to answer
Warfreak2 [-\]: i think the BGA needs more people named matt and andrew
BGAadmin [-\]: Absolutely
jakontin [1d\]: h18
Warfreak2 [-\]: targeted recruitment efforts required
BadMove: tenuki
teardrop: k17 
Warfreak2 [-\]: m18 or h18 for the all-out kill
eurogoheb [3d\]: Is there any video feed?
eugenie [5k\]: Living is it ignuf to win for b?
zinn [?\]: depends on how he lives
teardrop: ilving is far enough for him imo
zinn [?\]: if we count the whole w territory extensively, it's around a hundred points
zinn [?\]: b is far from this
BGAadmin [-\]: I think the clock says 1:30 for Daniel 1:20 for Andrew, but it is really hard to see. I'm having to squint under the board...
Grunman [2k\]: why is this called Title match 2?
TheOther1 [?\]: i will come back in and look
BGAadmin [-\]: Because it is the second of a best of 3. Daniel won the first 
eugenie [5k\]: What is a good answer for w?
Grunman [2k\]: hmm, nice system
eugenie [5k\]: K17?
Grunman [2k\]: m18?
Xorax [1d\]: k17 for the symmetry
TheOther1 [?\]: 1:38 left for B and 1:19 for W
Xorax [1d\]: let b be the breaker of nice things
Grunman [2k\]: the war is always ugly
meuns [1d\]: b+
SimbaRules [5d\]: Really no commentary?
eurogoheb [3d\]: I suppose the hardest thing here for White is how to decide if he should answer on the left side or on the right side
matroid [5k\]: viewer's left side I guess
Haskell [1k\]: B stone on the upper side looks very lonely
SimbaRules [5d\]: K17 looks like the obvious move, similar to Kitani bump joseki.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Keep B low.
Adria [10k\]: zzzzzz.....
SimbaRules [5d\]: This is quick for Andrew, Adria. ;)
Adria [10k\]: :-)
Haskell [1k\]: may be w considers to kill? via m18
SimbaRules [5d\]: Trying to kill is unwise.
SimbaRules [5d\]: When you fail, you need to come back to play a move around L17 at some point.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Just make black live small and take most of one half.
TheOther1 [?\]: Matt let me know when you want a time check. i can see easily from the doorway
Haskell [1k\]: hm... but w is busy with some thoughts...
SimbaRules [5d\]: Dunno if you guys already discussed this (I wasn't here), but K17 feels better for B than K18 does.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Now W can just K17 and it's hard for black to make a shape that's not tiny.
SimbaRules [5d\]: But with K17 himself he's already on the third line.
BGAadmin [-\]: At least Daniel remember to hit the clock after playing the sealed move this time...
BGAadmin [-\]: I suppose K17 gives B the choice of side, but it doesn't look there's much in it
SimbaRules [5d\]: It's about space more than which side.
SimbaRules [5d\]: K18 gives a choice too.
SimbaRules [5d\]: But white can K17 now and restrict the space black has.
BGAadmin [-\]: I was thinking about K17 for W now
SimbaRules [5d\]: Ah, I see.
zinn [?\]: y i'm not a fan of K18, 17 would have been making a larger life
SimbaRules [5d\]: yeah, indeed
SimbaRules [5d\]: If W hane, then black has nicer forcing moves.
SimbaRules [5d\]: And if W nobi, larger life.
zinn [?\]: it looks easier for w to make b live small
SimbaRules [5d\]: yep
BadMove: k2 ?
SimbaRules [5d\]: what
SimbaRules [5d\]: k2 for white here?
SimbaRules [5d\]: or are you upside-down?
SimbaRules [5d\]: capturing those 2 stones isn't urgent at all at the moment
BGAadmin [-\]: K2 looks large gote. Far too early
SimbaRules [5d\]: if c6 was white instead of black, then k2 would be pretty huge
SimbaRules [5d\]: or at least bigger than it is currently
TheOther1 [?\]: W has 1 hour remaining and B 1hr 38
BadMove: k8 then ?
SimbaRules [5d\]: no.
SimbaRules [5d\]: The top part of the board is the interesting part right now.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Always look where the weakest groups are.
BadMove: seems small
SimbaRules [5d\]: K18 is the weakest group.
SimbaRules [5d\]: lol
SimbaRules [5d\]: ok
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;W[jc]C[Haskell [1k\]: finally
BadMove: like I said !
Timk [-\]: it's the only move, no ?
Timk [-\]: what to said here lol
SimbaRules [5d\]: If I ever play Andrew I think I'll just blitz out the first 100 moves and win on time. :P
some1d [3d?\]: Well then you'll probably be at a huge disadvantage in the game :P
SimbaRules [5d\]: haha
some1d [3d?\]: Well it might be your best shot at beating Andrew though
SimbaRules [5d\]: He was my first teacher, hopefully I've seen all his tricks by now.
BGAadmin [-\]: You're not likely to win on time with the byomi
Lice [5d?\]: first game was very one sided
Adria [10k\]: now, what move do you predict?
SimbaRules [5d\]: for black?
SimbaRules [5d\]: Extend or jump.
SimbaRules [5d\]: H18/J18/L18/M17
SimbaRules [5d\]: M18*
SimbaRules [5d\]: One of those.
Adria [10k\]: ok
SimbaRules [5d\]: E12 is bigger than P12.
SimbaRules [5d\]: So the left side is more important.
SimbaRules [5d\]: So I'd probably play to the right here as black.
zinn [?\]: jump looks more flexible
SimbaRules [5d\]: Since that means white is less likely to get moves around the left.
SimbaRules [5d\]: So either M18 or L18.
bug2 [4d?\]: I think Q18 and D18 first
Lice [5d?\]: how about first attaching to k13 somehow and then deciding on the side to take
SimbaRules [5d\]: I don't want to attach to K13 unless I have to.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Giving white more central strength will reduce black's thickness.
Grunman [2k\]: just k14?
some1d [3d?\]: Isn't it better to go into the left side though?
Adria [10k\]: but he have to priotect k18
Adria [10k\]: no?
Grunman [2k\]: what can B use his thickness for?
SimbaRules [5d\]: It's more that black is going to make points in the centre.
SimbaRules [5d\]: If you give white more moves in the centre, W will reduce it more easily.
SimbaRules [5d\]: e.g. K12 for J12 is a good trade for white.
SimbaRules [5d\]: So you better make sure that K12 is worth it before you play it.
Grunman [2k\]: but b wanted to reduce upper points of W, no?
SimbaRules [5d\]: Right, but he doesn't need K12 to do so.
SimbaRules [5d\]: I mean, imagine that K18 for K17 wasn't on the board.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Clearly playing K13 then as black is weird and wrong.
SimbaRules [5d\]: You'd rather play something like E12.
bug2 [4d?\]: K18 is not good move, I will like K17 beeter
SimbaRules [5d\]: Yes, agree.
Grunman [2k\]: what if k14?
SimbaRules [5d\]: It's still giving white more centre strength.
SimbaRules [5d\]: It's just not needed.
Arnaud99 [2k\]: Who miles K14 here ? Me I think i hate that move
SimbaRules [5d\]: haha
bug2 [4d?\]: w can answer K12 for K14 ;)
Arnaud99 [2k\]: Hahaa
SimbaRules [5d\]: lol
MaLa [?\]: so, lunch break #2 ?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nope, just long time limits :-)
SimbaRules [5d\]: I like L18 most here I think.
SimbaRules [5d\]: More aji for something like a H18 clamp later after living.
bug2 [4d?\]: I think b should play Q18 and  D18 first, now w have to answer both
SimbaRules [5d\]: Yeah, that's an option, but if white replies with stuff like E17/P17...
SimbaRules [5d\]: Might damage black's living shape choices.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Those are really nice ko threats too.
bug2 [4d?\]: not, then b have more choice 
SimbaRules [5d\]: I'm thinking of something like L18 J18 O17
SimbaRules [5d\]: if white has p17 already say, then that's awkward
some1d [3d?\]: J18 seems like the right move, not L18
SimbaRules [5d\]: why?
BGAadmin [-\]: Later, might B be looking at things ike F13 as a probe? As a better alternative to E12?
SimbaRules [5d\]: I doubt it.
SimbaRules [5d\]: After this sequence, the top will be very small, mostly settled.
SimbaRules [5d\]: So black F13 will run into white E12.
some1d [3d?\]: Cos if you go l18, then g16 area will be more important to white and make it more valuable from him to play around e12
SimbaRules [5d\]: And black will lose more on the left while saving F13.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Than he'd reduce white by on the top.
some1d [3d?\]: And I doubt black will get sente from this
BGAadmin [-\]: Fair enough
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;B[lb]C[SimbaRules [5d\]: Exactly, that's the key point, W gets sente either way
some1d [3d?\]: The best probe is probably g13 for that area
SimbaRules [5d\]: And that's why black needs to go to the right.
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;W[ib]C[yafgg [5k\]: чо кто кого?
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;B[oc]C[Song9d [8d?\]: yea w should take their time with this one
some1d [3d?\]: J18 definitely seems a lot better than m18 though
BGAadmin [-\]: Speaking of which, 1.18 left for B 0.53 for W
Mokki [2d\]: N17 looks good to me. I'm fine with b getting a slice in the corner
Song9d [8d?\]: this is fine for b, w going q17 or n17, need to know
Song9d [8d?\]: which is best
SimbaRules [5d\]: q17 gives black a harder time.
SimbaRules [5d\]: Less space to live immediately.
Song9d [8d?\]: yea i like q17 a tad more
SimbaRules [5d\]: It's Fluffy btw :) how you doing? Been a while.
some1d [3d?\]: Think q17 is the best here
TheOther1 [?\]: B has 1hr 18 remaining and W 50 mins
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;W[mc]C[Song9d [8d?\]: but seem fine but i think might n127
Song9d [8d?\]: now that, oh yea
Song9d [8d?\]: n18... I wouldnt even think here
Song9d [8d?\]: then w will have to come back to q17 unless they want to continue with o17
Song9d [8d?\]: if q17, i believe b has to choose between p18 and q18
Song9d [8d?\]: maybe another option would be 017 as well
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;B[mb]C[eurogoheb [3d\]: how reactive
some1d [3d?\]: n18 o17 o18 q18 p18 q17 o15 o14
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;W[nc]
;B[nb]
;W[pc]C[Song9d [8d?\]: ah rlly ? giving b q18?
fatih [2d?\]: is it going to be ko?
Song9d [8d?\]: i think it wouldve been better to q18 like you said
Song9d [8d?\]: I am not sure if w is thinking of playing r18 if b played q18
fatih [2d?\]: seems like ko is inevitable 
BGAadmin [-\]: if q18, then p16?
fatih [2d?\]: then alive
Song9d [8d?\]: i think it is needed to play k19 after w r18
fatih [2d?\]: if q8 then r18
Song9d [8d?\]: wewll im wondering if w is thinking r18
Song9d [8d?\]: if not the only other think is p16 it seems
Song9d [8d?\]: so I'm assuming w will r18 which i think is better of the two, though q17 seems like a slight error, q18 seems best to me 
some1d [3d?\]: how about q18 r18 p16 o15 o16 n16 n15 m16 l17?
Song9d [8d?\]: though after k19 l18 seems to be a think but not much of a problem for b since he can just play l16
Song9d [8d?\]: and n15 is the only think w can do to stop m16
Song9d [8d?\]: which becomes a problem because b now has the j17 cut
some1d [3d?\]: Game definitely still looks good for white though
Song9d [8d?\]: this doesnt look good for w
some1d [3d?\]: oh haha
Song9d [8d?\]: before it was i think about even though this situation I dont think w is handling well
some1d [3d?\]: yeah I think if he played q18 it would ahve been much better
Song9d [8d?\]: it is better
Song9d [8d?\]: so let me see p17
some1d [3d?\]: I think the game is still quite even though
Song9d [8d?\]: because after b connects it still seems like w need to play 18
Song9d [8d?\]: but then there is l18
Song9d [8d?\]: for lifew
Song9d [8d?\]: life
some1d [3d?\]: yes, exactly
Song9d [8d?\]: yea this is a bit bad for w
Song9d [8d?\]: your variation w q18 and then b r18? or were you reading this situation here?
TheOther1 [?\]: B has 58 mins remaining and W 46 mins
some1d [3d?\]: I meant this situation
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;B[pb]
;W[qb]C[some1d [3d?\]: black could maybe play l18 directly here though
some1d [3d?\]: either l18 or p16 at least
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;B[kc]C[some1d [3d?\]: this doesn't seem great
BadMove: seems perfectly fine to me
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;W[ja]C[BadMove: oh no I didn't see that coming
some1d [3d?\]: yeah this is difficult for black. probably will jsut have to set up the ko
Song9d [8d?\]: think your variation seems best hmm
Song9d [8d?\]: either or this isnt looking good for w
some1d [3d?\]: hmm does black go ko directly or play p16 first?
Song9d [8d?\]: well your is certainly the strongest way to go about it
Song9d [8d?\]: p16 im pretty sure
Song9d [8d?\]: ah well l19 for ko isnt a bad choice I think either or so, but Im guessing they played l17 for p16, so I guess we'll have to see
some1d [3d?\]: yeah, probably
some1d [3d?\]: p16 does seem better
Song9d [8d?\]: im thinking ko seems fine because once w takes b can start doing o17
Scrognegne [3d\]: p16 can be used as a ko threat after l19 imo
Song9d [8d?\]: p16/or just ko b has to choose why they like best either or seem fine for b, this is still good result for b
Song9d [8d?\]: which they like*
Xorax [1d\]: they on a break?
Song9d [8d?\]: honestly feel like if b start ko and b o17 w should just immediatly end the ko
Song9d [8d?\]: let b live with n16 and take sente
BGAadmin [-\]: No break, long time limits
some1d [3d?\]: and they're both very slow players
Song9d [8d?\]: anyone would be slow with such settings
Xorax [1d\]: not me.. I do 3-4 seconds / move even with 3 hour timer :D
Song9d [8d?\]: wondering if w can q19 after taking sente
Song9d [8d?\]: seems like a fine option
TheOther1 [?\]: Clock is showing 43 mins remaining on both sides
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;B[od]
;W[ne]C[Song9d [8d?\]: ok so he goes with p16
begin [-\]: who r u?
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;B[ka]
;W[kb]
;B[nd]
;W[md]
;B[jb]C[Song9d [8d?\]: will he come l19?
Song9d [8d?\]: oh ok yes this is good
begin [-\]: p18
some1d [3d?\]: I think this looks really good for black now
Song9d [8d?\]: w should just connect this j19
Song9d [8d?\]: I wouldnt fight this ko
Song9d [8d?\]: if w does j19 an immediate cut by b has to happen
Song9d [8d?\]: in which w can atari m15
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;W[ia]
;B[ob]C[Song9d [8d?\]: mhm now cut n15 
Song9d [8d?\]: oh connection
Song9d [8d?\]: hes letting w dfix the cut?
Song9d [8d?\]: yea since b didnt n15 w should play it themselves
wretched [6k?\]: Hmm
Song9d [8d?\]: this result just looks
Song9d [8d?\]: idk b shouldve played strongewr here
Scrognegne [3d\]: here it will end up as picnic ko for w 
Scrognegne [3d\]: after b plays q19 to live
Song9d [8d?\]: yea this is like 50/50 now I can't say who's better their making slight errors
Scrognegne [3d\]: and both t16 and a16 will be big enough threats
some1d [3d?\]: if white plays n15 here I don't think there's any way he loses this game
Song9d [8d?\]: i really dont think b shouldve connected right now, n15 was still good for him
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;W[me]C[some1d [3d?\]: yes, definitely needed to cut
Song9d [8d?\]: yep w connects
some1d [3d?\]: Now the games is in heavy favour of white imo
BGAadmin [-\]: If q19,019, I don't se a ko
Song9d [8d?\]: you think so?
Scrognegne [3d\]: w clearly better imo, he has k2 whenever he wants and b overconcentrated on the left
BGAadmin [-\]: No soory, stupid..
Song9d [8d?\]: i think it's a little better for w as well but their not a lot better
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;B[pa]
;W[kb]
;B[oe]
;W[of]
;B[jb]C[some1d [3d?\]: I'd honestly say 70/30 for white right now
Song9d [8d?\]: wow
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;W[po]C[Song9d [8d?\]: good threat
Song9d [8d?\]: ill safetly say 60/40, sigh b was doing well on top right too
some1d [3d?\]: yeah that's a good move
Scrognegne [3d\]: in fact as w maybe the best is just to play k2, let b fill the ko and go for f12
Scrognegne [3d\]: simple game, already yose
Song9d [8d?\]: b must answer this
Song9d [8d?\]: after w takes ko
Song9d [8d?\]: t17 i think b can do
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;B[kb]
;W[qo]C[Song9d [8d?\]: ;o rlly
some1d [3d?\]: I actually think this was the right choice by black
some1d [3d?\]: There's no way he wins the ko otherwise
BGAadmin [-\]: Daniel also thinks he sould have cut :-)
some1d [3d?\]: I mean, the game is still terrible for him
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;B[ec]C[Song9d [8d?\]: yes I am not sure why he didnt
Song9d [8d?\]: i didnt think he wouldve give up r5 though
Haskell [1k\]: e17 surprising
yafgg [5k\]: e17 ?
Song9d [8d?\]: now Ill say is better for w certainly, I think b shouldve answered r5 here
yafgg [5k\]: looks like suiside move
Song9d [8d?\]: umm
some1d [3d?\]: black realises he has to make something happen or he will straight out lose the game
yafgg [5k\]: all in? )
Song9d [8d?\]: w just fixing h17 here 
zinn [?\]: b 's corner can still live no?
some1d [3d?\]: yeah, it seems bad though
BadMove: really ?
Song9d [8d?\]: just dont touch the stones leave it be and fix w/e aji that might be present
Song9d [8d?\]: i mean where does b expect to go..
Song9d [8d?\]: i mean if b played here
some1d [3d?\]: white could have pushed at l16 k15 m14 n13 etc
Song9d [8d?\]: he has to be looking at g14 or something
BadMove: home maybe ?
some1d [3d?\]: now that's gone if white just fix at h17
el [-\]: maybe just for c17 later
Song9d [8d?\]: yea thats the only thing i can think of is that b wants to play somewhere around g14
BadMove: or maybe to the pub
Song9d [8d?\]: maybe f14? I am not sure
matroid [5k\]: isn't black's e17 too deep?
Song9d [8d?\]: it is very deep
Scrognegne [3d\]: imo b is aiming at h17 c17 d17 c18 d18 b18 for later if w plays h17
Scrognegne [3d\]: huge yose
Song9d [8d?\]: the only reason he does this is to "throw sand into the board"
BGAadmin [-\]: Notably quick move; not much thinking time used before playing it. Maybe it was though out earlier...
Song9d [8d?\]: so hes gonna play lightly which is why im expect b to go g14/f14
Scrognegne [3d\]: if w answers at c18, then he can try somehting with the ladder at j17
Song9d [8d?\]: it is good spotr e17 I didnt expect it
BadMove: maybe it has to do with the cuts at c17 e14 j17 
Song9d [8d?\]: quite good because w still has some aji
Song9d [8d?\]: which is why im thinking w might h17 or something
Song9d [8d?\]: b might jump immediatly to g14 or maybe f14, unless he wants to do exchanges beforehand I am not sure
Scrognegne [3d\]: h17 means letting the c17 yose for b later, it is very painfull
zinn [?\]: what about b S3?
yafgg [5k\]: if your name is Hu, you must win all games against man with name Simons )
some1d [3d?\]: how about just playing f14
some1d [3d?\]: for white
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;W[dc]C[some1d [3d?\]: d17 is also fine
Song9d [8d?\]: yea its hard to say whatrs best to play here
some1d [3d?\]: g14
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;B[mg]C[Song9d [8d?\]: f14 better^ i think
Song9d [8d?\]: i suspected around that area but maybe not g14 directly
Haskell [1k\]: B's plan is misty
TheOther1 [?\]: After 5 hrs of play, B is showing 34 mins remaining and W 26 mins
Song9d [8d?\]: i dont think he has a plan, just poking at w
Song9d [8d?\]: i meant if w l16 here
Song9d [8d?\]: whats the point of this move?
some1d [3d?\]: I guess black wants to push at l16
some1d [3d?\]: And try to harass the upper right white group
some1d [3d?\]: seems difficult though
BadMove: make w play a bad move ?
Song9d [8d?\]: prepping support to come out around g14? I mean i dont know at this point 
Song9d [8d?\]: this is very strange
some1d [3d?\]: yeah same
some1d [3d?\]: still think g14/f14 is the way to go
Song9d [8d?\]: i mean anythign there seems fine g14 f14
Song9d [8d?\]: hell f13 if he wants to be safe
Song9d [8d?\]: it's clear b is going to something in that area
Song9d [8d?\]: but what is this move about
some1d [3d?\]: white should jsut go l16
Song9d [8d?\]: is this to prep supp while also looking o11? because i highly doubt b is looking at o14 cut
some1d [3d?\]: yeah if anyting it's gotta be o11 for black there
el [-\]: if B L16 w has to k15, B can split and try to kill dragon
some1d [3d?\]: yeah so w should just play l16 here
Song9d [8d?\]: tho it's w's turn im pretty sure they will play l16
Song9d [8d?\]: what else is his motive besides doing something so obvious
el [-\]: agree
Haskell [1k\]: seems w can p12
Song9d [8d?\]: yea i called out l16 immediatly a while back, no reason not to play it
Scrognegne [3d\]: o12 much more active than l16
Scrognegne [3d\]: l16 is passive and makes no points
Song9d [8d?\]: i dont think I would play something that potentioally helps b
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;W[kd]C[some1d [3d?\]: playing safe here is fine for white
Song9d [8d?\]: w is ahead, might as well playt my move at l16
Song9d [8d?\]: yea
Song9d [8d?\]: so im guessing b will just give up on this and look towards top left again
Song9d [8d?\]: this exchange was simpl,y better for w
some1d [3d?\]: probably o12 o13 exchange first though, right?
Song9d [8d?\]: if he wants to some thing he may as well play l16 directly himself
Song9d [8d?\]: wanted*
Song9d [8d?\]: no n13
Song9d [8d?\]: first
some1d [3d?\]: yes, I think playing l16 could have been a goo mvoe for black earlier
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;B[gd]C[Song9d [8d?\]: ...
Scrognegne [3d\]: anything around n11 o12 l12 l13  is now sente against o14
Song9d [8d?\]: mm ok so thats is the top left like i said but this seems idk
Scrognegne [3d\]: I'm not sure about l16 at all
]
;W[hc]
;B[gg]C[Song9d [8d?\]: and now w plays my h17 move
Song9d [8d?\]: and now g13 yea
Song9d [8d?\]: this was expexcted
some1d [3d?\]: think white could have played h15 instead of h17
f33332: isnt b pushing white into his own potential?
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;W[ni]C[eugenie [5k\]: O11 looks like tesuji
some1d [3d?\]: hm I thought g14 h14 f14 j13 h15 was good for white
josette [3d?\]: b E14 ?
Song9d [8d?\]: m not h17 was the move, mb late responce doorbell rang
Song9d [8d?\]: no*
Song9d [8d?\]: tho here
Song9d [8d?\]: w should rlly look to g14 here
Song9d [8d?\]: strange
some1d [3d?\]: yeah
some1d [3d?\]: now black can go f15 or even cut directly at e14
Song9d [8d?\]: because now b can f15
Song9d [8d?\]: if theyd like
some1d [3d?\]: j12 seems like an option too
Song9d [8d?\]: j12 diagnal for w?
Song9d [8d?\]: o11 doesnt seem bad i just thought allowing b to f15 looks a little sad for w
some1d [3d?\]: I meant j12 for black
Song9d [8d?\]: just feels like after f15 w needs to answer to help out his groups a bit maybe f17
some1d [3d?\]: j12/f15/e14 is my guess
Song9d [8d?\]: brb
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;B[qp]C[some1d [3d?\]: yeah I agree with you, f15 f17 j12 would have been good I think
]
;W[ro]
;B[rp]C[Song9d [8d?\]: interesting move
some1d [3d?\]: p4 p2 j6 h6 j7 h7 j9
Song9d [8d?\]: well ill take a break and eat, Ill place my bets that... w will win
some1d [3d?\]: I'm with you on that
Song9d [8d?\]: p4 normal here..
Song9d [8d?\]: brb
some1d [3d?\]: cya
FrenchDude [-\]: Yeah I agree some1d
Squiggles [1d\]: E12 seems huge to me
Squiggles [1d\]: but maybe i'm crazy
some1d [3d?\]: don't think e12 is the move around there
BGAadmin [-\]: Top left anyhow
some1d [3d?\]: white should play g14 and black should play f15 imo
BGAadmin [-\]: Looks bigger than bottom right at the moment
some1d [3d?\]: don't understand why they're both ignoring it
some1d [3d?\]: Yeah, for sure
some1d [3d?\]: white should just play p4 then come back to top
Squiggles [1d\]: yeah
Squiggles [1d\]: if black gets a move up there first i tink black wins easily
some1d [3d?\]: defnitely still a really good game for white even if black gets a move up there
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;W[pn]C[FrenchDude [-\]: W is thinking too hard
some1d [3d?\]: Oh man, what is white doing
some1d [3d?\]: Yeah, he should jsut play simple
BGAadmin [-\]: I suppose that with O11, something around R9 is big
some1d [3d?\]: This is a really slow move though
some1d [3d?\]: q6 doesn't make a huge difference. Would have almost been the same locally if white played p4, only that he'd have sente
some1d [3d?\]: Black should just go back to f15 now
TheOther1 [?\]: Black has 20 mins remaining and W 10 mins
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;B[ih]
;W[or]
;B[pr]
;W[op]
;B[pq]C[some1d [3d?\]: now definitely g14
some1d [3d?\]: white is slowly throwing away this game
]
;W[jh]
;B[ij]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Paralax ...
Shibe [1d\]: white is uberdude, right?
some1d [3d?\]: yes
sh [3k\]: I predicted w as the winner around forty fifth move
sh [3k\]: but I can be wrong
some1d [3d?\]: White still looks good imo
Xorax [1d\]: look like B is making some points on left o.O
BGAadmin [-\]: B has 17m remaining and W has just entered byo-yomi
Song9d [8d?\]: im back
some1d [3d?\]: What's the byo yomi?
Song9d [8d?\]: yea thats a bit of an issue
Song9d [8d?\]: but w has j6 so their fine I would say
BGAadmin [-\]: byo-yomi is 10 moves in 10 minutes
some1d [3d?\]: Yes, j6 for sure th move now
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;W[ff]
;B[gf]C[some1d [3d?\]: what...
some1d [3d?\]: at least play g14
eugenie [5k\]: 5periods of 30seconds?
some1d [3d?\]: i dunno, the game was looking great for white earlier. Black got nothing on top. But now white is slowly giving away points
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;W[fe]
;B[ji]C[Song9d [8d?\]: w couldve gone straight for g14
Song9d [8d?\]: g15 *
Song9d [8d?\]: instead of f15
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;W[ig]C[some1d [3d?\]: yeah
some1d [3d?\]: I think white should cut at g15 here
Song9d [8d?\]: btw f14 is fine even though it looks bad
some1d [3d?\]: but then black gets k6 though
]
;B[hh]
;W[fh]C[eugenie [5k\]: J6
some1d [3d?\]: yeah I also think it's fine, but not just as good as g14
]
;B[fj]C[some1d [3d?\]: g15 and j6 are both so big
]
;W[in]C[Song9d [8d?\]: i think g15 is better though yes this is big too
]
;B[ge]C[Song9d [8d?\]: yea g15 is just so big
Song9d [8d?\]: w can start looking at
Song9d [8d?\]: r9/r10
Song9d [8d?\]: s10 any of those
some1d [3d?\]: phew, black finally played it
Song9d [8d?\]: i think its huge to go right now
some1d [3d?\]: h6 seems really big
Song9d [8d?\]: mm maybe s10 is best option,. if w does decide to go right sode
oohbetty [?\]: How long has W got left?
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;W[gc]C[Song9d [8d?\]: i just think
Song9d [8d?\]: if w goes for h6
Song9d [8d?\]: there is n11 for b
]
;B[hn]
;W[im]C[BGAadmin [-\]: B has 14mins left main time
BGAadmin [-\]: W has less than 2mins left of byo-yomi
oohbetty [?\]: Thanks
]
;B[hm]
;W[il]C[Song9d [8d?\]: f16 still available for b
BGAadmin [-\]: H6 was huge
Scrognegne [3d\]: it was not
Scrognegne [3d\]: because h6 j3
some1d [3d?\]: h6 was definitely huge
Scrognegne [3d\]: now w can go back to k2
Scrognegne [3d\]: b saved 6 points in the center, letting w build the same around k6
Scrognegne [3d\]: cannot be huge
Song9d [8d?\]: i didnt rlly care for h6 i just wanted s10 for w
Song9d [8d?\]: w has to asnwer f16 so i see no reasson not to play it
Scrognegne [3d\]: just k7 k6 j3 was better for b than the game
]
;B[gk]C[Song9d [8d?\]: ..
]
;W[ki]
;B[kj]
;W[li]C[some1d [3d?\]: I really like h2 or r10 for white
Song9d [8d?\]: i've preferred right side for the longest time now
BGAadmin [-\]: B has 9 minutes remaining and W is back to 10mins of byo-yomi
some1d [3d?\]: Black should just exchange f16 and then go r8
Song9d [8d?\]: i think s10 better though, anywhere  right side is good
some1d [3d?\]: I like r10 for white
some1d [3d?\]: I dunno
Song9d [8d?\]: r10/r9/s10/s9 any of those
]
;B[pk]C[Song9d [8d?\]: good for w, erg b took it
some1d [3d?\]: Dunno why black isn't playing f16 though
some1d [3d?\]: Why is he saving it
some1d [3d?\]: and wasn't r8 better than q9? What do you think?
Song9d [8d?\]: since b took right
Song9d [8d?\]: i guess w will continue to poke like g11
Song9d [8d?\]: or maybe f16 themselves is bigger
Song9d [8d?\]: yea f16 looks better for w here
some1d [3d?\]: h2 and k2 still very big though
Scrognegne [3d\]: f16 is 5 pts reverse sente
]
;W[jr]C[Scrognegne [3d\]: there are bigger moves
Scrognegne [3d\]: k2 is much larger
Scrognegne [3d\]: Imo
Song9d [8d?\]: yea I would say w is maybe ahead by around komi... only looks fine because end game is better for w
Song9d [8d?\]: k2 is big yes
some1d [3d?\]: yeah, it's a safe lead as lonog as he makes no big mistakes
Song9d [8d?\]: k2 bigger then f16? hmm
some1d [3d?\]: was h2 or k2 better you think?
Song9d [8d?\]: k2
some1d [3d?\]: hm ok
]
;B[ir]C[Song9d [8d?\]: w is ahead safetly because of komi and end game so i think anything big whether h2 k2 f16... is good for w
Song9d [8d?\]: w i think counted befre playing k2
]
;W[lr]C[Song9d [8d?\]: and saw he was winning a bit
]
;B[fd]C[Song9d [8d?\]: w must answer 
]
;W[fc]C[Song9d [8d?\]: f17 is best
Song9d [8d?\]: yea
some1d [3d?\]: p7 looks good for black after this
]
;B[rm]C[Song9d [8d?\]: ..
]
;W[jk]
;B[jj]
;W[om]C[some1d [3d?\]: o2 is big
Song9d [8d?\]: b should just finish e16 ... 
Song9d [8d?\]: yea o2 is big
some1d [3d?\]: yup, e16 is the obvious one
Scrognegne [3d\]: o2 is larger than e16
Scrognegne [3d\]: reverse sente
Scrognegne [3d\]: and more points
some1d [3d?\]: I mean, there's no way white is going to ignore e16
Scrognegne [3d\]: same for o2
Scrognegne [3d\]: for b
Song9d [8d?\]: either way b is losing..
Song9d [8d?\]: lol
]
;B[kk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: B has less than 2 minutes left
BGAadmin [-\]: and W 4.5mins left for 4 moves
]
;W[pl]
;B[ql]
;W[qm]
;B[ed]
;W[eb]
;B[pm]
;W[sd]
;B[sf]
;W[qm]
;B[db]C[BGAadmin [-\]: W back to 10 minutes
BGAadmin [-\]: and B has 47 seconds
]
;W[cb]
;B[pm]
;W[ad]
;B[af]
;W[qm]
;B[fb]
;W[da]
;B[pm]
;W[gh]
;B[hg]
;W[qm]
;B[ea]
;W[fa]
;B[pm]C[Song9d [8d?\]: t4 i guess
]
;W[hl]C[Song9d [8d?\]: or h8 is another option
Song9d [8d?\]: ok h8
BGAadmin [-\]: B has just entered byo-yomi
Song9d [8d?\]: yea i think what's going to win this game for w is his komi
Song9d [8d?\]: like half of the komi
BGAadmin [-\]: W has 6:40
]
;B[gl]
;W[qm]C[Song9d [8d?\]: idk n10... idk
]
;B[ee]
;W[ef]
;B[pm]C[BGAadmin [-\]: W back to 10 minutes
Song9d [8d?\]: o2?
some1d [3d?\]: o2 really big
zinn [?\]: O2 perfect ko threat as well
elgcrt [9k\]: K 15
Song9d [8d?\]: seems like b will have to answer with s2 so I thought it seems good
zinn [?\]: i never remember the conditions for b's life in this shape ^^
]
;W[ma]
;B[na]
;W[qm]C[Song9d [8d?\]: so.. n10 now?
BGAadmin [-\]: Nobody remembers
firefly [1k\]: if in doubt, there is most of the time a ko involved
Song9d [8d?\]: i just wonder if w will ignore n10 and end the ko or connect
Song9d [8d?\]: ah no too big must connect
some1d [3d?\]: yeah there's no way white can ignore n10, right?
Song9d [8d?\]: i dont think so
Song9d [8d?\]: so w will connect b takes ko and w o2
Song9d [8d?\]: the issue that im see'ing in p12 for b
Song9d [8d?\]: and then what..
BGAadmin [-\]: B has less than 3 minutes left for 5 moves
some1d [3d?\]: surely someone must be losing on time soon, I thought they were in byo-yomi
BGAadmin [-\]: the byo-yomi is quite generous
]
;B[oh]
;W[nh]
;B[pm]C[Song9d [8d?\]: if w cant win ko, it's just  extremely close... cant say who is winning honestly
BGAadmin [-\]: now N10 is gote
Song9d [8d?\]: pushed first?..
Song9d [8d?\]: ...
Song9d [8d?\]: y..
]
;W[ao]
;B[ol]
;W[kl]
;B[ll]
;W[km]
;B[iq]
;W[ks]C[BGAadmin [-\]: B back to 10 mins
]
;B[nr]C[some1d [3d?\]: so why did white play a5 before saving o2
some1d [3d?\]: I'm confused
]
;W[gi]
;B[hk]
;W[hi]
;B[ii]
;W[ml]
;B[lk]C[BGAadmin [-\]: W back to 10mins
]
;W[lm]
;B[eh]
;W[fg]
;B[sp]
;W[mr]
;B[os]
;W[fi]
;B[ei]
;W[rn]
;B[qm]
;W[oj]
;B[if]
;W[jf]
;B[ie]C[BGAadmin [-\]: B back to 10mins
]
;W[ik]
;B[hj]
;W[pj]
;B[qj]
;W[ok]C[BGAadmin [-\]: W back to 10mins
]
;B[mj]
;W[mi]
;B[ng]
;W[nf]
;B[je]
;W[ke]
;B[nj]
;W[nk]
;B[sm]
;W[hd]
;B[he]
;W[pi]
;B[qi]
;W[ms]
;B[ns]
;W[id]
;B[am]
;W[gs]
;B[hs]
;W[fs]
;B[bq]
;W[cq]
;B[cr]C[Squiggles [1d\]: what is  black doing?
Song9d [8d?\]: possibly using this for time
Arnaud99 [2k\]: Black has +0.5 or  Kimi is 6.5
]
;W[dr]C[Noobster [3d?\]: d1 
]
;B[ds]C[BGAadmin [-\]: W has 2.5mins for 7 moves
Tree [8k\]: it looks like a close game to me
]
;W[bp]C[some1d [3d?\]: It is, but white is ahead by a bit as long as he doesn't screw up here
Warfreak2 [-\]: a2
]
;B[ar]
;W[bs]C[Warfreak2 [-\]: w should be ok
]
;B[cs]C[Song9d [8d?\]: oh no ;/
]
;W[ap]
;B[an]
;W[aq]
;B[qa]
;W[ra]
;B[lc]
;W[ld]C[some1d [3d?\]: sooo did black just win the game?
Song9d [8d?\]: yea even if w played that right it's reduction
]
;B[oi]
;W[kh]C[some1d [3d?\]: Well damn
]
;B[is]
;W[gq]
;B[hr]C[BGAadmin [-\]: g3 time move
Song9d [8d?\]: like half point like i said before like 100 movea go
some1d [3d?\]: That's honestly quite impressive by Daniel. White looked very dominating in the midgame
]
;W[nl]
;B[pl]C[Song9d [8d?\]: tbh I think b was playing a tad better anyways I just thought w wouldnt give up his lead but screwed up a bit during middle game
]
;W[gj]
;B[bo]C[some1d [3d?\]: Yeah, he got a huge lead after the sabaki on top by black, but then white played very slow from there
Song9d [8d?\]: i wish he had played s10 like i said but too late now ;/
]
;W[ho]C[Song9d [8d?\]: seems like 2.5~
Song9d [8d?\]: differeence
]
;B[hp]
;W[bn]
;B[br]
;W[es]
;B[bo]
;W[as]C[bibip25 [9k\]: for who?
]
;B[bn]C[some1d [3d?\]: black
bibip25 [9k\]: thx
Song9d [8d?\]: yea b is winning
Song9d [8d?\]: by about half komi
Song9d [8d?\]: half of the komi
Song9d [8d?\]: 4.5
]
;W[js]
;B[ae]
;W[ac]
;B[lj]
;W[so]
;B[se]
;W[sc]
;B[mk]C[some1d [3d?\]: Congrats to Daniel as the champion
]
;W[sn]C[McMaster [-\]: so this game is final?
bibip25 [9k\]: why can w take f10
some1d [3d?\]: It's a best of 3, but Daniel already won the first game
BGAadmin [-\]: This is the 2nd of best of 3
]
;B[]
;W[]C[BGAadmin [-\]: Counting
McMaster [-\]: thx
Song9d [8d?\]: pretty sure its 4.5
bibip25 [9k\]: why can w take f10?
Song9d [8d?\]: i know it's within komi difference
bibip25 [9k\]: it seeem to work for me 
bibip25 [9k\]: g7 then f9 no ?
McMaster [-\]: cannot kill f10, b g5
maproomad [-\]: bibip: B has an eye at h14
bibip25 [9k\]: yeah i know but still it work no?
some1d [3d?\]: black will answer g6 to g7
Song9d [8d?\]: it doesnt..
BGAadmin [-\]: B+3.5
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