(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[1800]
GN[British Championship game 2]PW[Bruno Poltonieri]PB[Gaoge Wang]WR[5d]BR[4d]DT[2022-08-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This is todays game 2 of this years British championship
Macfadyen [?\]: Gaoge Wang, who won game 1 by 2.5, is black
Macfadyen [?\]: Bruno Poltonieri is White
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;B[dd]
;W[dp]
;B[qd]
;W[pp]
;B[cf]
;W[oc]
;B[pe]
;W[lc]
;B[qn]
;W[qk]
;B[qq]
;W[qp]
;B[pq]
;W[op]
;B[rp]
;W[ro]
;B[rq]
;W[qo]
;B[nq]
;W[qh]
;B[pc]
;W[fc]
;B[ob]
;W[dc]
;B[cc]
;W[cb]
;B[ec]
;W[db]LB[eb:B][ed:A]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Time for a big think. Black has two ways here
Macfadyen [?\]: A will let White out at the top, almost 9but not solidly) connecting to his loose stones there. 
Macfadyen [?\]: B will give up the corner for a larger sscale side
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(;B[ed]
;W[eb]
(;B[bc]C[Muttley [-\]: L6 sorry
tunturi [3d\]: again?
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(;AE[bc]C[tunturi [3d\]: @@
mathmo [?\]: I think W is leading now
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(;AE[bc]))
(;B[fd]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Im surprised that this is the first slow move of the game
Macfadyen [?\]: What else but G17?
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;W[gc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Actually I had clicked in B17 for Blacks previous move, Now I would prefer it
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;B[cn]
;W[ck]
;B[ci]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Bruno always seems to go for the laid back move rather than the tight one. Here both sides have some room to manoeuvre around c7
Macfadyen [?\]: The thing to note in this corner fight is that O3, strong and on the 3rd line, makes the lower side hard for either side to develop. So dont make a thick wall facing that way
Macfadyen [?\]: Blacks shape has a problem here.
Macfadyen [?\]: C11 is quite tight, making the top gropu strong, so the f16,G17 exchange looks bad
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;W[ek]
;B[rn]
;W[sn]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Fun time.
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;B[cp]
;W[cq]
;B[bq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Suddenly the board is getting busy
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;W[co]
;B[bp]
;W[do]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White is in danger of getting a wall in the useless direction
Macfadyen [?\]: White will probably want to push at O4 to suppress the R6 stones, so the lower side will be very small
Macfadyen [?\]: E9 looks like a stone trying to aim both ways, but what can he do at the top?
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;B[bo]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Perhaps he wants to make c16 capture an attack
Macfadyen [?\]: D2 here is proper shape
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;W[dr]
;B[dn]LB[bm:K][em:I][bn:L][en:A][fn:H][eo:B][fo:C][go:J][ep:D][fp:F][dq:E][br:M][fr:G]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Good
Macfadyen [?\]: No problem with E6 here. But he should read all the immeddiate fighting options first.
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;W[en]C[Macfadyen [?\]: For example, A etc
Macfadyen [?\]: Black probably has to live patiently here
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;B[dl]C[Macfadyen [?\]: But she wont
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;W[el]C[mathmo [?\]: on the top if M16 was high, then I think F16 might not be as good
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;B[dk]
;W[dj]C[Macfadyen [?\]: I dont like F16 at all, not if she plans to C11
Macfadyen [?\]: This looks a bit desperate for Black
mathmo [?\]: perhaps but I think C11 was more of a mistake. I think the point is that W F16 is too big especially with C16
mathmo [?\]: agreed, B's shape is much worse than W's
Macfadyen [?\]: I expect her to E7, giving up a load of thickness to connect on the left
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;B[em]
;W[fm]
;B[dm]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White cant keep everythinh
mathmo [?\]: F6 E10 G9 F10 G10
mathmo [?\]: I'm not sure W is actually better locally though
mathmo [?\]: I think C5 is unusual
mathmo [?\]: or at the least D8 should be E7
mathmo [?\]: I mean E8 should be E7
Macfadyen [?\]: I rather expected B5 after e5, to make Black play on the useless lower side
Macfadyen [?\]: Now white can F6 or mess about at C13
mathmo [?\]: I think F6 with centre or M3 miai
Macfadyen [?\]: In a big handicap game I might try C10 and then let Black capture E6 making a false eye
mathmo [?\]: B's left is only 20pts certain
Macfadyen [?\]: But that would be too bold for an even game
mathmo [?\]: then you probably wouldn't have played D2?
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes, D2 is simply correct
Macfadyen [?\]: I quite fancy C13 here, but it is not Brunos style. He is patient
mathmo [?\]: D2 looks bad now as B has lived, otherwise, it is a move
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;W[ej]C[mathmo [?\]: I think taking this gote is foolish
mathmo [?\]: isn't C13 very gote?
Muttley [-\]: e10 is foolish?
mathmo [?\]: I think so
Macfadyen [?\]: In the corner, D2 is the same as D3, on the side, Black can E3,D3 when the difference is clearly good for white
mathmo [?\]: perhaps now F6 and G7?
Macfadyen [?\]: The only loss of D2 is that Black gets an atari after E5
mathmo [?\]: D2 is better than D3 when B plays B2
mathmo [?\]: but that atari is very valuable when W isn't alive and B is
Macfadyen [?\]: imo that atari is worthless. Black wants the other atari (
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;B[fn]
;W[eo]
;B[gm]
;W[fl]C[mathmo [?\]: If W played F6, then W has a large potential here. Now I think there is a fight in the middle of it
mathmo [?\]: yes, but B still has F5
mathmo [?\]: C10 for now
Muttley [-\]: Matthew, sorry to interrupt, but do you mind putting in the white/black player info under options/rules/participants?
Muttley [-\]: it helps people joining/watching game
mathmo [?\]: W G6 seems to work for W for now but B has a ko to kill E5 in the direct variation
Muttley [-\]: Thank you :)
Macfadyen [?\]: player names in thanks
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;B[cj]LB[gn:A][fo:B][go:C][fp:D][gp:F][gq:E]C[shunashuna [?\]: would m3 work here?
mathmo [?\]: M3 then G5 G3 G8 sort of thing
Macfadyen [?\]: Probably best just capture at G6
Macfadyen [?\]: W must read carefully to be sure G6 works, then perhaps push at O4 a couple f times first
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;W[gp]
;B[gn]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Another way for White is to aim at n3
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;W[hk]C[Muttley [-\]: g6: are you saving kikashi stones and making a heavy group, or preserving cutting stones, or something else?
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;AB[hp]C[Macfadyen [?\]: I have a mistaken move on the record, so some browsers wont go past 33
Penfold [?\]: black played e3 on the board
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;B[eq]
;W[dq]
;B[da]
;W[hq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: PPlease excuse the silly stone at the top. I got the move parity wrong
mathmo [?\]: J4 G3 J8?
Macfadyen [?\]: Lets try to count, Black roughly 30 + 15 + 10 = 55
mathmo [?\]: perhaps not actually, but it is tricker now
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;B[gq]C[sila [1k\]: how many rounds will be played and when is the next one?
qazqazqaz: if you want to get rid of d19 then you can do... Tool (in top left), edit tool, click on d19 to make it disappear, then click tool, move tool and you'll be back to normal
Macfadyen [?\]: White 3 lots of 15 plus 2 in the middle plus komi = 55
Macfadyen [?\]: Next round not fixed. There are 3 so if Gaoge wins this it is over
sila [1k\]: thx
Macfadyen [?\]: Does anybody here know how to delete a rogue thread from the game string?
Muttley [-\]: Not sure you can in as it is being created, but if someone knows that please say :)
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;W[fp]
;B[iq]
;W[hr]
;B[ir]C[sila [1k\]: when will be tea break?
Macfadyen [?\]: My problem is I played a misclick on move 33, and some browsers wont see the game past that point, since the real game is a 'variation'
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;W[ho]
;B[ip]
(;W[gr]
;B[in]C[qazqazqaz: It's not possible without creating a new demo :-(
Macfadyen [?\]: Surely better for White to take 3 stones at J7 not one at G2
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;W[np]
;B[mq]C[sila [1k\]: was d19 really played?
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;W[nl]C[marmoset [?\]: I can’t see beyond move 31
TimHunt [?\]: I had to switch to KGS client.
Macfadyen [?\]: No, that was me creating a parity error in the record so I needed to waste anblack move
sila [1k\]: thx, thought so
marmoset [?\]: Tim can you tell hi
marmoset [?\]: Matthew how to correct it
tunturi [3d\]: hi
marmoset [?\]: Hi
tunturi [3d\]: d19's ưeird
tunturi [3d\]: weird
marmoset [?\]: He doesn’t know how to delete the branch he madeat move 31
tunturi [3d\]: is it a misclick?
tunturi [3d\]: lol
marmoset [?\]: Yes
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;B[nn]C[brute [6d\]: I'm not sure you can cut branches on live demonstrations, but you could make another edit to remove d19 <3
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;W[lo]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Black can try living on the right side, using n4 cut as a backup threat
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;B[sm]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Looks like that is her plan
toad [8k?\]: I think the interface is looking a bit jaded, you should be able to correct misclicks in demo games perhaps by dragging the mouse.
mathmo [?\]: T5 S8 Q6 R8 Q8 Q9 R7 R10
mathmo [?\]: better for B
mathmo [?\]: not sure if W has a way though
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;W[so]
;B[mm]
;W[jo]
;B[io]C[mathmo [?\]: Bruno has a way of playing terrible shape
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;W[km]C[mathmo [?\]: in order to go all out
mathmo [?\]: I think S8 remains shape
mathmo [?\]: even if it is sacrificed
Macfadyen [?\]: S8 q6 and Black might live too small
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;B[ml]C[mathmo [?\]: but if it is living while cutting off R12, that is great
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;W[nk]C[mathmo [?\]: if W plays Q6 now, B has no eyes and W has all the territory
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes, I wanted that
Macfadyen [?\]: White J7 is a nice forcing move to help the centre connect
mathmo [?\]: now B's centre is getting heavier but I think R8 or something remains shape
mathmo [?\]: But J7 is thin and not forcing
Muttley [-\]: surely black wants to cut m5
Muttley [-\]: which is kinda all in
mathmo [?\]: But B gets no territory from this
Macfadyen [?\]: If White catures G6 he has more territory and fewer worries
brute [6d\]: on the topic of awkward shape maybe black will r7
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;B[mp]
;W[mo]
;B[no]C[brute [6d\]: this is more reasonable
Muttley [-\]: maybe b s7 is a blind spot, if it works
mathmo [?\]: Bruno has a weird force that means he never loses by more than 7 points
Muttley [-\]: hehe :)
Macfadyen [?\]: It does, so does s8 i think. Black must P6 or q6
Muttley [-\]: is this the game position or analyis please?
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;W[pn]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This fight might end with White killing N7 and Black killing E9. 
mathmo [?\]: killing is difficult
tunturi [3d\]: is this the real game?
Muttley [-\]: L7 was the follow up here I thought
Macfadyen [?\]: White now has spare liberties. He could have played P3, O2 to get some endgame points
Macfadyen [?\]: or some aji
mathmo [?\]: maybe its time for Macfadyens centre tesuji from last game
mathmo [?\]: L8 with J8 looks similar
tunturi [3d\]: i think b plays risky here
Muttley [-\]: well, we can count
Muttley [-\]: I think w leads by komi, lots of undecided stuff of course
mathmo [?\]: I'm serious about L8 K7 J8
gotedeath [3d?\]: I think I know a way to get the game back on the top branch of the tree. It will involve replaying the last 60 moves though so would take about 1 minute.
mathmo [?\]: I think MM is good as this tesuji stuff
Macfadyen [?\]: L8 doesnt capture the white lower group
Macfadyen [?\]: but White is weak on the left
Macfadyen [?\]: Id want to start at J9 or near there
Macfadyen [?\]: Remember Black still has j17 to aim at if it all goes quiet at the bottom
Muttley [-\]: I would be vulgar and push at n9 as black
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;AB[kk]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: essentially you can just go back to the last node on the current top branch, pass to make it b's turn, and then replay all the moves
Macfadyen [?\]: Ok, I didnt think of passing, hence the silly stone at D19
Macfadyen [?\]: I still want to play p3,o2 while Black cant answer at q2
Macfadyen [?\]: thats free points
brute [6d\]: the liberty can still matter
brute [6d\]: as well as the ko threats
mathmo [?\]: I disagree as L3 is ok
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;B[]
;W[jl]
;B[jk]C[Penfold [?\]: J7 now?
mathmo [?\]: J7 with L3 aji is a problem
mathmo [?\]: but it risks a lot with B J9
mathmo [?\]: so I don't think it actually works
brute [6d\]: j7 j9 j8 and b will have to fix first
brute [6d\]: but maybe not good to give b j9 anyway
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;W[il]
;B[fr]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Black is trying to get j1 in sente to stop the L3 problem
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;W[fq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This costs her the chance of making b2 sente
Muttley [-\]: Is it reasonable to say e10 is unkillable now
brute [6d\]: no
Macfadyen [?\]: Not at all. The whole white group is eyeless
Muttley [-\]: k9 too weak to attack white is my argument
Macfadyen [?\]: But the N8 group is very killable
Muttley [-\]: yes, that's my point
Muttley [-\]: so I would strengthen white here if I could
brute [6d\]: amusingly b can't get j1 in sente anyway
Macfadyen [?\]: Black should now G1.
Muttley [-\]: all I wanted to do as black earlier was connect j6 with n7, not kill white stones per se
Macfadyen [?\]: White must choose to let j1 or b2 be sente
brute [6d\]: after g1, w can play e2, then neither are
Macfadyen [?\]: Actually L3 is not much problem, Black can L4
Macfadyen [?\]: Gives up 1/2 an eye
Muttley [-\]: not a problem if the only issue is connecting
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;B[mk]C[Muttley [-\]: h11 please
Macfadyen [?\]: Try L3 once to check the reply
mathmo [?\]: L3 is met by G1 at the moment, I think
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(;W[hm]
;B[hn]
;W[dh]C[brute [6d\]: f2 actually lost a lot, now b2 will be white's sente
mathmo [?\]: now L3 is even less forcing
mathmo [?\]: how does F2 lose?
Macfadyen [?\]: I absolutely cant understand H7
mathmo [?\]: bruno likes bad shape
mathmo [?\]: and territory
brute [6d\]: before f2, black is likely to get b2 in sente
brute [6d\]: now b2 will be white's sente
mathmo [?\]: I seee
Macfadyen [?\]: But he also likes yose, and here he could at leat save one stone in sente
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;B[ch]
;W[ii]C[segev [1k\]: think h7 solve him the problem to J11 and put more pressure i guess
mathmo [?\]: It does help a bit, but there remain problems
segev [1k\]: yea right corner too open
Macfadyen [?\]: OK I see, he was afraid of h10 here. But I dont think it worked anyway
segev [1k\]: if its only goal of b is living he can connect to the corner or live for my opnion but isnt that easy
mathmo [?\]: but even then H7 is unnecessary as J9 is met but G9
Muttley [-\]: I wanted g10 instead to poke at white's shape, hence h11, but perhaps it all too soft
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;B[nj]C[mathmo [?\]: G10 isn't a cutting point because W has H7
segev [1k\]: right corner very strong
mathmo [?\]: otherwise good shape
Penfold [?\]: Can black settle with sente here?
mathmo [?\]: unlikely
Muttley [-\]: I don't want to cut, I was just looking at eye shape
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;W[oj]C[procus [3d\]: q7 
mathmo [?\]: then G10 is too deep 
mathmo [?\]: as K9 isn't alive
Muttley [-\]: probably, yes
mathmo [?\]: but G11 remains shape
brute [6d\]: black can still cut h10 
brute [6d\]: which amuses me
mathmo [?\]: H10 gets laddered
mathmo [?\]: but the aji is bad
Macfadyen [?\]: G16 is getting big
mathmo [?\]: ah, G9 is a shape!
Muttley [-\]: hence why I prefered h11 as a better shape
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;B[ni]C[Muttley [-\]: basically, based on "how do you catch up here black if you don't kill anything?"
mathmo [?\]: extend seems reasonable as Q11 remains
brute [6d\]: b can use h10 and l6 together to connect under at m4
mathmo [?\]: yuck
brute [6d\]: not quite relevant yet
mathmo [?\]: oh so B2 really is a big move to lose as B7 is semeai
Macfadyen [?\]: H10 is nothing. Black can also make eyes after G8,H8
segev [1k\]: o11 i would do it too but seem slow
brute [6d\]: yeah, in this game white b2 will be sente
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;W[ok]C[brute [6d\]: (probably)
mathmo [?\]: what? P9?
Macfadyen [?\]: That looks like a claim that komi is big
Muttley [-\]: here you invade top :)
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes, j3 or K3?
Muttley [-\]: k16 imho
Macfadyen [?\]: SORRY 17 NOT 3
Macfadyen [?\]: K16 IS FAR TOO SOFT
Muttley [-\]: k17 sorry
Muttley [-\]: yeah, typo
Macfadyen [?\]: Black would like to make B17 sente if possible
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;B[pm]
;W[on]C[mathmo [?\]: K17 is local shape but requires reading
Muttley [-\]: k17 k15 and worry about m9 again
brute [6d\]: i think it's too early to abandon the fight between two cetner groups
Macfadyen [?\]: Just as I was thinking time to give up on that aji and play P6 with Black
mathmo [?\]: this simply doesn't work for B
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;B[gl]C[Muttley [-\]: is black playing time suji here?
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;W[gk]C[Muttley [-\]: maybe trying to disguise intentions
gotedeath [3d?\]: b will win
Muttley [-\]: spoiler alert :)
gotedeath [3d?\]: sorry ;-)
Muttley [-\]: :)))
brute [6d\]: q7 can get rid of p3, and also give b n6 stone
mathmo [?\]: true, maybe it is worth it when W has P9
Macfadyen [?\]: Lst game She got badly confused in the endgame and exchanged a 5 point side for a 30 oint centre
mathmo [?\]: but W should have played R7 then
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;B[ik]C[brute [6d\]: b really wants to h10 xD
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;W[hl]C[brute [6d\]: i guess h11 is the shape
brute [6d\]: if you want to cut
mathmo [?\]: G11 is shape then G13 or K12
gotedeath [3d?\]: b made g11 look shiny
Macfadyen [?\]: But H10 is DED
segev [1k\]: w really cornered here
gotedeath [3d?\]: l8 means centre not too weak. b has time to attack more :)
Macfadyen [?\]: White should probably L3 to test the reply quite soon
Macfadyen [?\]: And may as well O7, cause its double sente
brute [6d\]: pretty sure black o7 would lose points
brute [6d\]: b will play p7 locally i imagine
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;B[oi]C[brute [6d\]: to fix p3 by sente
brute [6d\]: maybe o7 is sometimes ok
Muttley [-\]: I would love to see this game through, but sadly work calls, so thank you for the excellent relay Matthew, and enjoy the game everyone :)
firechung [10k\]: s6
Macfadyen [?\]: P3 never sente because O7 sente
Muttley [-\]: see y'all
Macfadyen [?\]: Here the max yoe reply is s13
brute [6d\]: p7 o7 p5 q5 n6 and then?
Macfadyen [?\]: yose
brute [6d\]: isn't p3 sente for b after that
mathmo [?\]: W should play O7 now
Macfadyen [?\]: And that also aims best at p13
mathmo [?\]: or else B P7 W must play R7
Macfadyen [?\]: No becase r7 is a ladder
brute [6d\]: after r7, p3
brute [6d\]: is atari
mathmo [?\]: hmm, in that case W doens't have to play O7
mathmo [?\]: P7 is always met by R7
mathmo [?\]: it is just a big reverse sente
Macfadyen [?\]: P7 gets O7 rely, Black wont accept p3 for n6 capture
TobyM [?\]: Is O7 sente for W? Won;t B ignore it?
brute [6d\]: p7 o7 p5 q5 n6 r7 p3 is atari
brute [6d\]: black can save o5 stones, and still get p3 sente
mathmo [?\]: I see MM is probably right though the aji is bad
brute [6d\]: er wait the order may be bad
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes you are right
mathmo [?\]: that explains why B plays P11
mathmo [?\]: to activate problems
Macfadyen [?\]: So I was right that White should O7 first. Then his next play is r7 to anything
mathmo [?\]: that means W can't block Q11
gotedeath [3d?\]: I didn't realise Bruno already got to 5d
Macfadyen [?\]: And shouldnt. He has s13
segev [1k\]: what is the time set?
mathmo [?\]: but basically W does owe a move here
mathmo [?\]: even if there is no good moe
mathmo [?\]: O7 seems best
Macfadyen [?\]: fischer time, buno has !:!!, gaoge has 1:15
mathmo [?\]: and punishes Q7 and removes G11
segev [1k\]: how many time each have?
Macfadyen [?\]: I think White should have played O7 before H8
mathmo [?\]: I don't really agree as H8 and H10 remain big
mathmo [?\]: bigger than 2 stones
gotedeath [3d?\]: tenuki ftw
mathmo [?\]: actually if O7 is good, then P11 is bad
mathmo [?\]: I would probably play G16
mathmo [?\]: and just fall back with R7
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;W[id]
;B[rh]C[Macfadyen [?\]: A whole new game
segev [1k\]: yup
mathmo [?\]: after R11, B seems to have nothing inside
Macfadyen [?\]: White probably has to answer at R11
gotedeath [3d?\]: yes r11 feels nice
mathmo [?\]: I might be wrong though
mathmo [?\]: as S10 is troubling
segev [1k\]: the problem i cant see w win here by territory
Macfadyen [?\]: Black will get points. But white has M11 to look forward to
gotedeath [3d?\]: m11 then 30 pt centre incoming? :-p
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;W[ri]
;B[rg]
;W[pi]C[brute [6d\]: ok these exchanges by b seem very bad
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;B[om]C[mathmo [?\]: omg, semeai?
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;W[nm]
;B[oo]C[brute [6d\]: b did it too late
brute [6d\]: w n6
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;W[po]C[mathmo [?\]: there is nothing inside
brute [6d\]: white could have played n6 instead of q5
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;B[mn]C[mathmo [?\]: nothing for B
brute [6d\]: b got p3 sente by luck
segev [1k\]: yea didnt understand why either
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;W[qm]C[brute [6d\]: b played out of order but w didn't punish, lukcy for b
segev [1k\]: could be an opening for w
mathmo [?\]: difference of 5 points locally I think
Macfadyen [?\]: White is slow but thick. He has R14 to follow on the right
brute [6d\]: it's not just local benefit, if w played n6 capture all, it connects to h9 group
mathmo [?\]: I make it B+18 on the board with sente
Macfadyen [?\]: Not with sente. Sureky the centre needs protecting
mathmo [?\]: but centre can make some points
mathmo [?\]: even if retreat at L12
brute [6d\]: i'm surprised both players missed that w can sacrifice q6 stones and played so quickly
mathmo [?\]: I have uncounted W slightly for B's centre weakness
segev [1k\]: got to say hard to make n6 in championship
mathmo [?\]: undercounted*
mathmo [?\]: local reading is fairly easy. Clearly they just didn't consider it. I didn't either until MM pointed it out
Macfadyen [?\]: White R14 fololoweed by O18 might make something 
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;B[fh]C[segev [1k\]: m11?
brute [6d\]: well really only g11 now
Macfadyen [?\]: M11 looks pretty promising
segev [1k\]: i think b cant tenuki this
]
;W[kp]C[mathmo [?\]: B can almost tenuki
mathmo [?\]: maybe B can just tenuki actually
brute [6d\]: may as well g1
Macfadyen [?\]: He trying to stop Black getting a sente eye with L6
segev [1k\]: i think l4 its preview for m11
mathmo [?\]: but there is still eyespace
]
;B[kq]
;W[eh]C[segev [1k\]: e12 ithought its too slow
brute [6d\]: w resists!
]
;B[fg]C[mathmo [?\]: looks like B wants K12
brute [6d\]: i wanted b to try to cut with h11 after w e12 :(
mathmo [?\]: if H11 then J11?
segev [1k\]: f13 almost take all the center for w
brute [6d\]: j11 on the board
mathmo [?\]: I mean if H10 then H11
brute [6d\]: oh but i mean start with h11
mathmo [?\]: I see, interesting
segev [1k\]: m12 could be also good
mathmo [?\]: I think B doesn't have the ladder but it is tight
Macfadyen [?\]: White might try D14, several replies piossible
mathmo [?\]: D14 loses a lot of territory
mathmo [?\]: D14 then C16
Macfadyen [?\]: But only if Black allows F14
]
;W[gi]
;B[hh]C[mathmo [?\]: going downwards for W it seems
segev [1k\]: g11 was too simple in w situation, dont know if he can get back now
Macfadyen [?\]: Only the big counterattack on the centre to look forward to
gotedeath [3d?\]: w needs o17 and all of top to be territory, otherwise it seems not enough
mathmo [?\]: B only needs to play L12
mathmo [?\]: I already counted the entire top to be W 
gotedeath [3d?\]: maybe w can turn c16 into sente in magic dreamland
Macfadyen [?\]: White cant be killed if he is cut. He can M11 now
brute [6d\]: hmm, now d19 has an effect on c16 :S
segev [1k\]: m12 seem more good
Macfadyen [?\]: Sorry about D19. I havent learned to clean upmy record
Macfadyen [?\]: its a problem with only having a mute tv of the game to work with
gotedeath [3d?\]: you can use tool edit tool to get rid of that stone, then come back to move tool
Macfadyen [?\]: No, Edit tool is powerless in a live game, no cut, no delete
mathmo [?\]: getting C17 would gain 6pts over my count
segev [1k\]: really wondrred how b got himself into d19 lol
brute [6d\]: you don't need to delete, just click on the stone with the edit tool
gotedeath [3d?\]: edit tool should work
]
;W[hi]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: tool -> edit tool -> click d19
gotedeath [3d?\]: then tool -> move tool, then continue
segev [1k\]: w too defensive here
]
;AE[da]C[brute [6d\]: :D
gotedeath [3d?\]: don't forget to go back to move tool :-)
Macfadyen [?\]: OK got rid of d19
]
;B[ph]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: success :) :)
mathmo [?\]: good move
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes
segev [1k\]: yea
mathmo [?\]: P9 was terrible
brute [6d\]: it was
mathmo [?\]: but after connect I think L12 remains bigger
brute [6d\]: l12 is vital
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes. A whole move wasted going backwards in bd shape
segev [1k\]: he can tenuki and fight in k.o
brute [6d\]: after all, white still isn't alive
]
;W[qi]
;B[kh]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: shaaaaaaape
Mathkute [1k\]: D11 is enough to settle
mathmo [?\]: I'll estimate B+14 including komi
gotedeath [3d?\]: c16 first, worry about life later
Mathkute [1k\]: Yes.
mathmo [?\]: I think this is 1 move from death though
gotedeath [3d?\]: but alive and lost is no good :)
mathmo [?\]: well at least if you want to kep E12
Mathkute [1k\]: Better B16.
gotedeath [3d?\]: better to go down in a blaze of glory
Mathkute [1k\]: C16 may entail to start a ko.
Macfadyen [?\]: I guess white better H13 and wait for a chance
mathmo [?\]: C17 has swing of 11ish plus outside aji
gotedeath [3d?\]: b would not play that ko, cos w would take another sente
]
;W[hg]C[Macfadyen [?\]: He agrees
gotedeath [3d?\]: likely proper, but feels like game is drifting too far away
mathmo [?\]: B still has no real weak points
Macfadyen [?\]: Black should D11 early to make sure there is a way to steal the eyes
mathmo [?\]: now K13 and L15 in sente then N18 seem good endgame
mathmo [?\]: unless Q13 is bigger
gotedeath [3d?\]: many playable options
Macfadyen [?\]: R13 is much safer. Gives the centre group no more worries
mathmo [?\]: perhaps
TobyM [?\]: Is W R14 interesting?
mathmo [?\]: yes but it doesn't seem to help unless W takes gote
Macfadyen [?\]: Hi Toby. Yes R14 is good, Black will S14, then White R13 and White has things to do
mathmo [?\]: the P4 group is bigger than J5
mathmo [?\]: by around 10 pts
mathmo [?\]: so there is no aji of K3
mathmo [?\]: even not counting the life and death of R9
mathmo [?\]: actually J13 is shape I think
mathmo [?\]: and B has the ladder, P17 doesn't break it
Macfadyen [?\]: Black L15 now leaves pretty much no room for white
akinn [3k\]: when in doubt tenuki
mathmo [?\]: I think W's only hope is killing the centre
gotedeath [3d?\]: then there is no hope :)
mathmo [?\]: with O18 etc
mathmo [?\]: R14, N12
Macfadyen [?\]: Whites big loss was G2, taking one unexciting stone instead of catching three big ones in the middle
mathmo [?\]: but how could the centre be captured?
mathmo [?\]: J7 was met by J6
Macfadyen [?\]: J7. Black could escape, but only by letting white come out.
Macfadyen [?\]: Ill go back to there
mathmo [?\]: perhaps J5 then?
mathmo [?\]: but I agree the game shape was clearly good for B
]
;B[qg]
;W[oh]
;B[pg]C[mathmo [?\]: I'd try M13 now then O17
mathmo [?\]: delay resigning for a big
]
;W[lg]C[mathmo [?\]: bit*
Macfadyen [?\]: Bruno has won some pretty hopeless looking games ith this kind of thing. he just creeps up adding a few points
mathmo [?\]: B has gained around 6 points on the right
mathmo [?\]: only which is why I think it might not have been biggest
mathmo [?\]: but it probably was good as W is weak on left, so B has centre too
]
;B[lh]C[brute [6d\]: r13 was more than 6
brute [6d\]: or i guess it depends on how you count
Macfadyen [?\]: D14 still has some interest for White
Macfadyen [?\]: But C16 is immediate points
]
;W[ng]C[mathmo [?\]: I'd go back to O17
Trevoke [?\]: If we're talking about counting, remember that it's really about the point difference between the two colors; it may be six points, it may be eighteen, it may be two, as long as we agree on the point difference, we agree on the game
Trevoke [?\]: I'm simplifying slightly of course
mathmo [?\]: now L13 and J13 rethreaten to kill
mathmo [?\]: B is almost locally alive
brute [6d\]: o13 cannot be a big move
mathmo [?\]: M10 key point
brute [6d\]: bit desperate
Macfadyen [?\]: The Black group is in gote, so she can take the double sente point at M4
mathmo [?\]: but remember that Bruno doesn't lose by more than 7 points
]
;B[mg]
;W[mf]
;B[mh]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White should M4 immediately
mathmo [?\]: this move doesn't help B make life
mathmo [?\]: M10 aji remains
mathmo [?\]: but O17 now and W has made slight gain
]
;W[nc]C[brute [6d\]: i would say this helps b to live
]
;B[nb]
;W[mb]C[brute [6d\]: there are ways to make seki after m10 now
mathmo [?\]: that's what I mean, it wasn't worth a move even for life
Uberdude [2d?\]: Hello
brute [6d\]: m10 l8 k7 m7 m9 n10 m11 l11 for example
mathmo [?\]: hi
Macfadyen [?\]: Hello Andrew
Macfadyen [?\]: Id play P3 with Black uite early
Macfadyen [?\]: it would be annoying to see White get sente there
mathmo [?\]: how to lose the most points now without it being obvious? D13?
]
;B[md]
;W[mc]
;B[me]C[brute [6d\]: p3 does need to be played soon i agree
]
;W[lf]C[TobyM [?\]: er.. I fell  am being stupid, why P3 important?
mathmo [?\]: as W P3 is sente
brute [6d\]: it's about 5-6 pts reverse sente
]
;B[ne]C[brute [6d\]: w p3 isn't sente
]
;W[nf]C[brute [6d\]: it just has big followup
mathmo [?\]: maybe a very big follow up
TobyM [?\]: That's what I thought
mismo [3d?\]: because follow up is q2 o2 s2 r2 t3 I think
mathmo [?\]: K3 first
mathmo [?\]: but yes
TobyM [?\]: OK Thanks
Macfadyen [?\]: Gaoge loves a bit of excitement. Just take 6 points and the cutting stone
]
;B[jg]C[brute [6d\]: well i think b is correct that it is w who is overplaying
mathmo [?\]: locally P15 then M16 seems best
mathmo [?\]: the other group won't die yet
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes, I agree, but then can he answer D11?
mathmo [?\]: of course not
mathmo [?\]: but there is some return at the top
Macfadyen [?\]: And F10 followed by D11???
mathmo [?\]: G12 aiming at F14 and  J14
brute [6d\]: starting at f10 is almost always better ^^
Macfadyen [?\]: White j13 might avoid getting killed
mathmo [?\]: W would get up to 6 extra points at top, B upper right reduced a little, B gets 10points ish with D12
mathmo [?\]: B gets sente
mathmo [?\]: but M10 aji remains
]
;W[jf]
;B[ig]
;W[gh]C[mathmo [?\]: I think B+17 in the variation I suggested
]
;B[if]C[mathmo [?\]: now G13 and this is better for W than my variation
brute [6d\]: not worried about l15?
]
;W[je]C[mathmo [?\]: H16
]
;B[gg]C[brute [6d\]: i would just play g13 yeah
brute [6d\]: very safe style
TobyM [?\]: Please remind me... Gaoge won yesterday's game by ho many?
mathmo [?\]: 2.5
Macfadyen [?\]: By 2.5
TobyM [?\]: Thanks
mathmo [?\]: I thought she was leading by 100 at one point
Mathkute [1k\]: White has lost: to settle now is gote.
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes. She tried to make safe by running along a side, and at one point was definitely behind
Macfadyen [?\]: Bruno plays a creepy uppy sort of endgame
Macfadyen [?\]: Those of us who knew jon Diamond in his pomp will know what I mean
]
;W[fj]
;B[gs]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Tidying up time. Expect p3 soon
]
;W[hs]
;B[is]C[TobyM [?\]: Why is G1 good?
]
;W[fs]C[mathmo [?\]: if E2 then W can't play J1 anymore
Mathkute [1k\]: Sente.
gotedeath [3d?\]: hard for b to lose now
Mathkute [1k\]: G1 => Black keeps sente.
mathmo [?\]: but it is true that W saves a point inside
Macfadyen [?\]: P3 then B17
brute [6d\]: b avoids w getting j1 in sente
mathmo [?\]: J1 saves 2 points
mathmo [?\]: inside is less than 0.5 pt loss as W likely gets B2 in semi sente
Macfadyen [?\]: But  It leaves B2 sente and so gains nothing
TobyM [?\]: But why not just play J1, threat G1?
brute [6d\]: if j1, w would play b2
brute [6d\]: and probably b doesn't get j1 as sente
TobyM [?\]: OK Thanks
gotedeath [3d?\]: cos if b gets to place two stones there he wants them at g1 and h1, not g1 and j1
brute [6d\]: two big points left b17 and b2
brute [6d\]: and p3 is almost as big
mathmo [?\]: after that, D13, then M16, T11, K11
Macfadyen [?\]: B2 7.5 points
brute [6d\]: b2 is significantly more, w has b7 after
Macfadyen [?\]: C16 over 15. no contest
mathmo [?\]: C16 much bigger, though I'm not sure about 15
Macfadyen [?\]: M15 tempting
brute [6d\]: probably see p3 s7 b17 b2
gotedeath [3d?\]: @mathmo, you tempted to make a comeback next year?
brute [6d\]: and i guess w should just answer b2 at b6 directly
brute [6d\]: b*
mathmo [?\]: perhaps
]
;B[bc]
;W[bb]
;B[br]
;W[ac]
;B[be]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: 0_o, b got b2 and b17...
q11 [2d\]: Mathmo vs macfadyen :)
brute [6d\]: oh b got both
Macfadyen [?\]: a17 should try D14 first
brute [6d\]: that's not very fair to get both
mathmo [?\]: B18 around 7
mathmo [?\]: B2 around 10
]
;W[oe]
;B[od]
;W[of]
;B[nd]C[Macfadyen [?\]: P3
mathmo [?\]: P15 3 pt sente ish
gotedeath [3d?\]: seems like a mistake on lower side might be w's last hope
mathmo [?\]: P3 is biggest anyway
brute [6d\]: i'm not certain about p3
brute [6d\]: if b can answer it at m4
brute [6d\]: may not gain anything
brute [6d\]: but i guess it still does
gotedeath [3d?\]: a bit less aji given h5 is in atari
]
;W[hf]
;B[he]
;W[gf]
;B[ff]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: this is odd...
gotedeath [3d?\]: w moves I mean
Macfadyen [?\]: Last chance for the seki in the centre???
]
;W[ge]
;B[gd]
;W[ih]
;B[fe]
;W[hh]
;B[kl]
;W[jn]
;B[hd]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: looks alive with points to me
DaoLin [4d?\]: I thought the other for B. ?
brute [6d\]: is w gonna j15?
TobyM [?\]: Go down with flying olours?
TobyM [?\]: colours?
gotedeath [3d?\]: maybe res now
Macfadyen [?\]: C'mon, the crowds cry cut, cut cut
brute [6d\]: b is already alive in the center, m10 k11
gotedeath [3d?\]: j15 o12 p13 m7 m10 m9 
mathmo [?\]: I think B+11.5
brute [6d\]: j15 h17 lets see the all out fight
TobyM [?\]: Exchange K12 L13 first?
gotedeath [3d?\]: even k12 l13 doesn't help kill
mathmo [?\]: it is only a sente seki but a miniscule room for a mistake, if I read correctly
]
;W[hc]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: k12 l13 j15 o12 p13 m7 m10 m9 l11 m11 
]
;B[oq]
;W[rm]C[leachy [1k\]: *throws popcorn*
]
;B[ie]
;W[le]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: and into the small endgame we go
]
;B[ld]
;W[kd]
;B[pd]
;W[na]
;B[pb]C[mathmo [?\]: M4
]
;W[]
;AE[na][pb][kd][ld][pd]
;B[jd]
;W[ic]
;B[ld]
;W[kd]
;B[pd]
;W[na]
;B[pb]
;W[jc]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: b+9?
]
;B[dg]
;W[sp]
;B[sq]
;W[lp]
;B[lq]
;W[jp]
;B[go]
;W[jq]
;B[jr]
;W[eg]
;B[ef]C[mathmo [?\]: b+13.5
mathmo [?\]: T12=A16
]
;W[pf]
;B[qf]
;W[kg]
;B[jh]
;W[ji]
;B[ki]
;W[ae]
;B[im]
;W[jm]
;B[af]
;W[ad]
;B[bd]
;W[ab]C[mathmo [?\]: oops, I miscounted T11, then b+11.5
]
;B[cs]C[Macfadyen [?\]: T11 is sente
Macfadyen [?\]: No it isnt
]
;W[ds]C[mathmo [?\]: I'm assuming Chinese rules btw
gotedeath [3d?\]: presumably AGA
Macfadyen [?\]: aga which gets the same result
]
(;B[lm])
(;B[ij]
;W[hj]
;B[jj]
;W[lm]
;B[ll]
;W[cr]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: w got c2 as well
]
;B[bs]
;W[di]
;B[nh]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: c8?
TobyM [?\]: They have layed P19 N19
mathmo [?\]: wait a sec, true C8
Macfadyen [?\]: Ive not got the exact order here, they are playing fast
mathmo [?\]: W gains 6 pts over the count 
mathmo [?\]: B+5.5
mathmo [?\]: no, it doesn't quite work
mathmo [?\]: C8 C7
gotedeath [3d?\]: ah yes c7
gotedeath [3d?\]: i wonder if b will try anyway :)
gotedeath [3d?\]: w*
]
;W[bg]
;B[cg]
;W[bf]
;B[bh]
;W[ag]
;B[ah]C[mathmo [?\]: omg
gotedeath [3d?\]: oh, b gave it...
]
;W[af]
;B[oa]
;W[ma]C[mathmo [?\]: I told you Bruno doesn't lose by more than 7 points
mathmo [?\]: I have no idea how
gotedeath [3d?\]: close now, but should still be b
]
;B[og]
;W[sh]
;B[sg]
;W[si]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: strange that b didn't read after d11
gotedeath [3d?\]: d11 has no meaning except finding some aji
]
;B[ln]
;W[kn]
;B[fi]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: 3.5?
brute [6d\]: 2.5 i imagine
brute [6d\]: assuming 7.5 komi
]
;W[fo]
;B[ei]C[gotedeath [3d?\]: but b gets last dame, so w pass twice
mathmo [?\]: 72 vs 61+7.5 so B+3.5?
brute [6d\]: oh sorry b cannot win by 2.5 so it becomes 3.5
brute [6d\]: i would still count it as 2.5 in my head
Macfadyen [?\]: Black by 3.5
gotedeath [3d?\]: gg, gaoge
gotedeath [3d?\]: first female champ?
Macfadyen [?\]: Yup
TimHunt [?\]: Thanks Matthew for the commentary
Macfadyen [?\]: The first 'championships' were a bit informal, but I reckon that's  about 1-70 to the girls. Time for some catching up
]))
(;W[dh]
;B[ch]
;W[ii]
;B[hj]
;W[ij]
;B[ik]
;W[hl]C[segev [1k\]: yea
]
;B[hi]
;W[hh]
;B[fi]
;W[gh]C[segev [1k\]: could give exchange
]
;B[gi]
;W[eh]C[segev [1k\]: unwanted one
Macfadyen [?\]: Black is already plenty dead
mathmo [?\]: G11 at G12 works?
]))
(;W[im]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Like this. there is no escape
]
;B[in]
;W[io]
;B[hn]
;W[jo]
;B[jn]
;W[gr]
;B[kq]
;W[ko]C[mathmo [?\]: J8 not H6
mathmo [?\]: try to counter attack the centr
Macfadyen [?\]: so Black has the centre weakness
])))
(;B[eb]
;W[ed]
;B[fb]
;W[cd]
;B[de]
;W[bd]
;B[gc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This is the alternative. White needs to find a way at the top
]))
