(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[Ho Yeung Woo]PB[Bruno Poltronieri]WR[5d]BR[4d]DT[2023-08-27]EV[British Go Championship]RO[2]RE[B+6.50]
;B[pp]
;W[dd]
;B[dp]
;W[pd]
;B[qc]
;W[qd]
;B[pc]
;W[od]
;B[nb]
;W[cn]
;B[qh]
;W[fq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This version is a clone of the official recorded game in the British room
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;B[dn]
;W[dm]
;B[en]
;W[co]
;B[cp]C[Macfadyen [?\]: The players are more up to date on Alphago than me. I guess this is a researched opening so far
]
;W[er]C[idleparty [?\]: Looks odd. What is white's idea?
Macfadyen [?\]: White is trying to make the cut after D5 cost Black a move. There is also an issue about Black cutting at C7.
Macfadyen [?\]: The jist is that White wants to settle both sides, while Black wants to be out into the middle or definitely alive.
idleparty [?\]: Thanks
Macfadyen [?\]: This White move makes pretty sure that Black cant live in the corner except very small
StrangerGo [6d\]: nobosy is up to date with alphago, as alphago is not up to date :P
]
(;B[dr]
;W[cr]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: looks annoying tho ^^
Macfadyen [?\]: OK a rogue variation appeared in my record
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;B[cm]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: C7??
StrangerGo [6d\]: :O
Macfadyen [?\]: Black can exchange, but hes trying another way
]
;W[cl]C[segev [1d\]: w should d3 here?
]
;B[bm]
;W[bl]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: no
StrangerGo [6d\]: capture C7 is so good for white
Macfadyen [?\]: Black should play B4 first, then take one side or the other
StrangerGo [6d\]: white now has a much stronger group
]
;B[em]
;W[dl]
;B[ds]C[segev [1d\]: didnt expected d1 :o
segev [1d\]: expect*
]
;W[iq]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: I don't love this for black ^^
Macfadyen [?\]: The first move I dont like from Ho. 
segev [1d\]: i am so tempted to n17 here
Macfadyen [?\]: He is treating the two stones too preciously.
StrangerGo [6d\]: idk, there is still aji
Macfadyen [?\]: N17 or N16 both good for Black. He has taken a loss in the lower left and needs to find somewhere to play actively
StrangerGo [6d\]: and J3 just establishes a bottom side access, I think it's a fine move
]
;B[do]
;W[bn]
;B[bo]
;W[am]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Actually White ould have tried B4 instead of J3. Try to make Black regret leaving out  the forcing moves
StrangerGo [6d\]: still shocked by C7 :'D
Macfadyen [?\]: So am I. B4 is the only sensible order of moves if he wants to use the shape in that way
Macfadyen [?\]: Black has played P12
]
;B[oh]
(;W[mf]C[Macfadyen [?\]: But he tries a fancier idea
Penfold [?\]: Is black aiming to expand along the bottom with this?
Macfadyen [?\]: This invites Black to play N16
segev [1d\]: yea he want to use j3 weakness
segev [1d\]: but w left/top seem more terrify
Macfadyen [?\]: The whole left side is uninviting for both. White can never be attacked at the bottom, Black can live once, either C17 or C14, and White probably cant take the whole side with one move
Manifest [9k\]: Player names?
]
;B[qn]
;W[mc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Black is Brruno Poltronieri
Macfadyen [?\]: White is Ho Yeung Woo
Manifest [9k\]: Thanks Matthew
Nyanjilla [-\]: I dunno whether it's possible to add that info to the metadata of a clone game
Nyanjilla [-\]: Options --> Rules
segev [1d\]: its possible
]
;B[mb]C[Macfadyen [?\]: N17 looks too good to have allowed. Imprefer Black at N16 to make white show how hes settling his shape
]
;W[kc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Notice that the bottom left corner is still not quite worth two eyes
]
;B[kq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: But White may prefer to use the corner aji by playing D3 to make eyeshape himself
Macfadyen [?\]: White could try E15 here. Claiming that Black can only get one live group in the entire quarter of the board
segev [1d\]: i see e15 point, but seem quite unusuall lol
segev [1d\]: never saw this move in action
Macfadyen [?\]: Some time since I retired from active play
Macfadyen [?\]: White L2 here is one idea. Plan to settle the white group completely in sente
segev [1d\]: i would make shape with n14 something like m11 
Macfadyen [?\]: Another way is F9, expand the moyo while offering a lifeline 
]
(;W[nm]
;B[pl]
;W[np]
;B[ko]C[Macfadyen [?\]: here we are
Penfold [?\]: So now L5 and it's a splitting attack.
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;W[pq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: So, on territory. Lower left corner equal, Top right not much more than komi.
Macfadyen [?\]: so its between the smaller more solid Black right side (30ish
Macfadyen [?\]: and the White top left corner.
Macfadyen [?\]: Modulo a cuple of weak groups to settle
]
;B[qq]
;W[oq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Id say White is 20 points ahead if his groups at the bottom dont get attacked effectively
]
;B[qp]
;W[mq]
;B[io]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Bruno thinks this move stops the connection at L2
]
;W[kr]C[Penfold [?\]: Does it? I don't see how.
Macfadyen [?\]: But it doesnt stop white playing it anyway
Macfadyen [?\]: I expect M2,K2
]
;B[lr]
;W[lq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White thinks this will make him alive in sente on the left
Macfadyen [?\]: omg
]
;B[jr]C[Macfadyen [?\]: I dont see Whites plan
]
;W[kp]
;B[jq]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: or not lol
mismo [?\]: Maybe white wants to break blacks shape then live
Macfadyen [?\]: I think he wants to live both sides
StrangerGo [6d\]: break shape has little value tho if one side lives easily and the other had light stones
Macfadyen [?\]: Lots more moves already played
]
;W[jp]
;B[ip]
;W[ir]
;B[ks]
;W[jo]
;B[jn]
;W[lp]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: expected moves after M3
StrangerGo [6d\]: black back in the game it feels like
Macfadyen [?\]: Now Black can obediently live, or he can try to spoil whites eyeshape with h3 and squeeze
StrangerGo [6d\]: yeah
StrangerGo [6d\]: ah, not game
StrangerGo [6d\]: :D
StrangerGo [6d\]: okok
Macfadyen [?\]: But maybe g2 without the squeeze
StrangerGo [6d\]: yeah
StrangerGo [6d\]: was eyeing that one ^^
StrangerGo [6d\]: what is the komi btw?
StrangerGo [6d\]: kgs says 0 :D
Macfadyen [?\]: I prefer White simply extending k2 instead of m3, looks to live on the left and get sente to run on the right
StrangerGo [6d\]: oh - or could white have done L4?
StrangerGo [6d\]: or is that my tesuji-brain talking and not practical here? :D
Macfadyen [?\]: L4 needs reading lots of lines
]
(;B[mr]
;W[nr]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: well - they have time :P
]
;B[ms]C[Macfadyen [?\]: but here, how will white answer g2?
Macfadyen [?\]: Toolate
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;W[dq]
;B[cq]
;W[eq]
;B[br]
;W[in]LB[im:B][hn:A][hp:E][gq:D][gr:C]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Lots of readinghere too. Black can h6 then g2 for example
StrangerGo [6d\]: oh, that does look quite annoying
allenliu07 [3d\]: is this a tournament game?
megaschaf [1k\]: Yes
megaschaf [1k\]: British championship
Macfadyen [?\]: I dont se  two  eyes for  white.
allenliu07 [3d\]: oo
Macfadyen [?\]: he gets no good time to play E1, which only threatens one eye
StrangerGo [6d\]: me neither on first look
Macfadyen [?\]: I think he had to E1 before cutting
]
;B[go]C[megaschaf [1k\]: Aww
]
;W[gr]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Now K7 and its hard to see what j6 is doing
Macfadyen [?\]: So White has pretty well achieved his two live groups
StrangerGo [6d\]: ok I think L4 earlier worked and can lead to a famous tsumego if black insists ^^
]
;B[im]
;W[kn]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This never occurred to me - id love White to try to pull out j6
Macfadyen [?\]: I thought Black should probably k7, but could consider L6 aiming to attack White at N5 later
]
;B[hn]
;W[is]
;B[js]
;W[fd]LB[db:D][fb:C][jc:E][ce:B][eh:A]C[Macfadyen [?\]: K1 without thinking - that is 20 points in absolute gote. 
StrangerGo [6d\]: mhm
Macfadyen [?\]: Now try to count the game and find what Black must do
sai1732 [7d\]: only option is to invade
Macfadyen [?\]: apart from finding a magic move around N5 to kill
houteiron [4d\]: B15, maybe?
Simplet [3d\]: H16?
Macfadyen [?\]: How about E12, then if C15 try to live deep at F18
Macfadyen [?\]: Like this???
]
;B[bd]C[Macfadyen [?\]: IMO trying to live deep twice is unreaonable
Macfadyen [?\]: and once is not enough
StrangerGo [6d\]: who needs reasonable anyway :P
Penfold [?\]: Can black treat this move as a probe?
houteiron [4d\]: Hehe, close enough?
]
;W[bf]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Yes, it is one. White can reply at C16, also probing, but he is going for the simple eye stealing ttack
Macfadyen [?\]: Black could take that as a useful forcing move and digress to F18 or e18
Macfadyen [?\]: White is hoping for c15, then White can C17 and chase from both sides
Macfadyen [?\]: Black C17 is the ordinary move, try to live in the corner quickly
Macfadyen [?\]: I like E18, plan to make something on the left with C14 afterwards
Macfadyen [?\]: The area around H16 is best for Black to run away, because there is some prospect ofattacking on the right later
Macfadyen [?\]: So how about G16 now?
Macfadyen [?\]: Hes gone for the simple ine
]
;B[cc]
;W[db]C[Macfadyen [?\]: And White is trying to question the eyes
miao [5d\]: both are playing fairly reasonable so far
Macfadyen [?\]: I dont think C17 is reasonable. I think Black had to be more light footed
Macfadyen [?\]: G16 or F18
miao [5d\]: hm
Macfadyen [?\]: Now he seems committed to this group, better live.
miao [5d\]: I think your reasoning is good, but the moves suggested might kill the aji of b16
miao [5d\]: c15 first here? 
Macfadyen [?\]: C15 gets D13
Macfadyen [?\]: Push at D17 first to see the reply
]
;B[ce]C[Macfadyen [?\]: He prefers yournway
miao [5d\]: d17 will  almost everytime be answered with e17 i think
]
;W[cg]C[miao [5d\]: wow
Macfadyen [?\]: Mr Ho doesnt give up eyeshape someasily
miao [5d\]: d13 now?
Macfadyen [?\]: D17 then E15 should escape.
Macfadyen [?\]: But White gets both sides settled
]
;B[dg]
;W[dh]C[Macfadyen [?\]: One of the shape points. 
Macfadyen [?\]: White also had the vulgar C14
Penfold [?\]: I wanted black to play c14
Penfold [?\]: no d14
]
;B[df]C[miao [5d\]: c14 seems like self destruction with the e17 weakness
Macfadyen [?\]: Theres ab name for D14 in Japanese, and oits a go insult
]
;W[eh]
;B[ch]
;W[bh]
;B[ci]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: lol
]
;W[bi]C[Penfold [?\]: Well I'm glad you didn't call me that.
miao [5d\]: i prefered e13 instead of d14
miao [5d\]: ugly shape but fater to the center
Macfadyen [?\]: I think this is going ok for Black. White is putting a lot of stones on the side where he already has 4 eyes
]
;B[fe]C[Penfold [?\]: Can black afford to switch direction and reduce white at the top?
Macfadyen [?\]: Black may suddenly spring a counterattack at F18
Macfadyen [?\]: But not now, he is burning up that option
Macfadyen [?\]: Penfold - Black has to live with these stones.
Macfadyen [?\]: He has a threat at D10to work towards
miao [5d\]: i have a strong dislike of f15
Macfadyen [?\]: Me too. The point Black wants is  G16, and hes inviting White to take it without spending a whole move
Macfadyen [?\]: Blacks potential invasion around J3 should be worth a whole move. If White stops it while attacking and eg plays L7 then the balance of territory collapses
Macfadyen [?\]: Incidentally Black can answer G16 with F12 to make a shaply escape
Macfadyen [?\]: shapely
Macfadyen [?\]: The battery just went flat on my youtube computer. Ive lost my picture
Macfadyen [?\]: There may be some potential in a Black stone at N6.
]
;W[fg]LB[ba:L][bb:K][cb:J][fc:H][gc:I][gd:A][ee:B][ge:E][cf:F][ef:C][ff:D][bg:G]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White wont want O7 cut off and his eyes are not quite safe
idleparty [?\]: White played F13
miao [5d\]: f13 seems overplayish
StrangerGo [6d\]: indeed
Macfadyen [?\]: E17 will live with something
Macfadyen [?\]: G16 also looks ok
miao [5d\]: g16 feels right, but unclear
Macfadyen [?\]: White has probably read out the semeai:
Macfadyen [?\]: Lots of variations there
Penfold [?\]: If black makes the F G exchange can he answer B at D?
Macfadyen [?\]: Nearly an hour difference between their remaiming time
Macfadyen [?\]: Ho effectively plays byo yomi throughout - he uses only the time Fischer gives him
miao [5d\]: ho is black?
]
;B[ec]
;W[dc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Now what is Whites plan?
]
;B[cf]C[Penfold [?\]: It seems like Ho used blacks time for the last move.
]
;W[bg]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: no @miao
miao [5d\]: thx
Macfadyen [?\]: How will white fight after E16?
Macfadyen [?\]: Maybe just F17
Macfadyen [?\]: but simply black F14 here looks better than if White had plyed G16 first
]
;B[ed]C[liusasori [5d\]: f17 here  ?
liusasori [5d\]: f17 e18 f18 e15 e19 
liusasori [5d\]: e15 seems to crazy here to be played
Macfadyen [?\]: F17, Black can E15 then H16 and settle in good shape.
Macfadyen [?\]: I expect E15
StrangerGo [6d\]: E15 also feels like only move to me
Macfadyen [?\]: White will get cut off and fight a capturing race in the corner
liusasori [5d\]: yes f17 is the reasonnable way to settle the situation, and e15 the unreasonnable. But htis last requires deep reading
StrangerGo [6d\]: it is not unreasonable tho?
liusasori [5d\]: and if it works, then of course e15 should be played
]
;W[ee]LB[bb:F][cb:H][bc:G][fc:C][cd:D][be:E][de:A][ef:B]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Black can back down with E14
StrangerGo [6d\]: seems sad
liusasori [5d\]: I misscalculated liberties, I though b could play d15 but it's not working
Macfadyen [?\]: Superficially, White is a move ahead
Macfadyen [?\]: 4 liberties plays 5
mismo [?\]: c14 exchange feels really bad now
Macfadyen [?\]: but C has another way
Macfadyen [?\]: like this
]
(;B[ff]
;W[de]
;B[gd]
;W[ef]
;B[eg]
;W[gg]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Big ko coming up
Macfadyen [?\]: P17 looks like Whites only ko threat
]
;B[eb]
;W[cb]
;B[bb]
;W[cd]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: G15 not a threat?
Macfadyen [?\]: Oops yes it is
Macfadyen [?\]: some more moves played
]
(;B[be]
;W[bc]
;B[ac]
;W[ae]
;B[cc]
;W[ge]
;B[fc]
;W[gf]
;B[fd]
;W[bc]
;B[lo]
;W[ad]
;B[mo]
;W[jm]
;B[in]
;W[ln]
;B[no]
;W[oo]
;B[on]
;W[nn]
;B[op]
;W[kj]
;B[li]
;W[hc]
;B[ki]
;W[ij]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: H17 was played much earlier
Macfadyen [?\]: Ive been adding in some of the moves when the scribe slowed down, so the system is a bit confused
StrangerGo [6d\]: makes sense
Macfadyen [?\]: The top is not all white yet.
]
;B[ji]C[Macfadyen [?\]: for example k17 is hard to kill
Macfadyen [?\]: Here Black is preparing a reception committee for g16 to escape to
]
;W[jj]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: hhaha
indianayk [4d\]: whose game are we watching?
LaaLaa [1d?\]: Ho Yeung Woo 5D (W) v Bruno Poltronieri 4D (B)
StrangerGo [6d\]: Ho Yeung Woo 5D (W) v Bruno Poltronieri 4D (B)
StrangerGo [6d\]: damn xD
LaaLaa [1d?\]: :)
StrangerGo [6d\]: BGA Championship Final 2023 game 2 ^^
]
;B[ii]
;W[mn]
;B[po]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: Ho leading 1-0
]
;W[jl]
;B[hd]C[segev [1d\]: w mess himself up :o
Macfadyen [?\]: Bruno tries to make go a simple logical game.
houteiron [4d\]: Wow, that was rather obedient of white?
]
;W[ic]LB[jd:A]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: optimistic :P
Penfold [?\]: J15 next
]
(;B[id]C[Macfadyen [?\]: j15 is a little flabby. I wanted to see K16, but the game move is also better than j15
Penfold [?\]: What is the Japanese word for j15?
segev [1d\]: k14 kill with excnhge i think
StrangerGo [6d\]: lol
segev [1d\]: penfold i think you mean nobi, not sure
]
;W[je]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White has got to kill these stones
segev [1d\]: k15 feel to me too close giving that lib of b , but cant read that out
]
;B[jd]
;W[kd]C[segev [1d\]: ai kgs seem to agree with me :(
segev [1d\]: b got a cut point now
]
;B[jc]
;W[jb]
;B[kb]LB[gb:C][ib:A][lb:B][hf:F][if:D][jf:E][hg:H][ig:G][hh:I]C[segev [1d\]: b will live probably :/
StrangerGo [6d\]: B 21min - W 94 :D :D
Macfadyen [?\]: White has a lot of work to do
segev [1d\]: not even an exchange
Macfadyen [?\]: Possible for Black to die but get h10 in sente and kill the right centre
torooo [3d\]: it was 2 hours each ?
segev [1d\]: i mean b will live , w cant kill it
StrangerGo [6d\]: @torooo 100min
StrangerGo [6d\]: +45sec fisher I think ^^
torooo [3d\]: thx
Macfadyen [?\]: this is hard to read
Macfadyen [?\]: I think White has to try j18
houteiron [4d\]: Agreed. If nothing else, out of pure principle
Macfadyen [?\]: Up to I looks like the only shape to me- Black cant win the semeai at the top
Penfold [?\]: Wow, white gave that up!
mismo [?\]: I think black has tesuji of cut at l15
mismo [?\]: D E then l15
Macfadyen [?\]: but also there is D cutting at L15
]
;W[lb]
;B[ib]
;W[ka]
;B[hb]C[houteiron [4d\]: Can't see white winning this now
StrangerGo [6d\]: after ~10min of contemplation
Macfadyen [?\]: He can play a desperate ko at s17, t18??
Macfadyen [?\]: And Black still has H10 to look forward to, so there are sente moves around n9
]
;W[rc]
;B[rb]
;W[re]
;B[sc]
;W[sd]
;B[rd]
;W[gb]
;B[gc]
;W[rc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Mike has lost his kgs connection. These are real moves, but now being put in by me
]
;B[hq]C[houteiron [4d\]: Huh... why did black play t17 instead of just t18?
StrangerGo [6d\]: cause he can still do t18?
]
;W[hr]
;B[rd]C[houteiron [4d\]: Oh, doh ^^;
tianlong [4k\]: A) he got carried away b) he's confident that he will win even more easily c) Obi Wan Kenobi
Macfadyen [?\]: Good to burn up some of whites best ko threats. 
houteiron [4d\]: Of course
Macfadyen [?\]: But the other thing about a nice long ko is that you buy lods of fischer time while playing nobrainer moves
]
;W[qr]
;B[rr]
;W[rc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: and Bruno is an hour behind on time
indianayk [4d\]: who is Bruno?
houteiron [4d\]: Black
indianayk [4d\]: thx
Macfadyen [?\]: White will be hoping he can live at r11, or thereabouts
Macfadyen [?\]: Black can make more threats with E1
]
;B[mk]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Big and bold
Macfadyen [?\]: This could be whites chance
StrangerGo [6d\]: uuuuuuuuuh
StrangerGo [6d\]: ^^
]
;W[ll]C[Macfadyen [?\]: He believed it
tianlong [4k\]: couldnt w take the ko?
Macfadyen [?\]: White seems to have lost his mojo
]
;B[rd]C[tianlong [4k\]: :)
StrangerGo [6d\]: @tianlong, where did you leave 'tu'? :P
Macfadyen [?\]: This was a chance to mess about with eg p9, encourage Black to go for all the centre
]
;W[rq]
;B[pr]
;W[rc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: That last threat was rather small. only makes a tiny life in the corner
Macfadyen [?\]: White iskeeping back his one big ko threat against the top group
Penfold [?\]: White has a big threat at n4.
]
;B[sb]C[indianayk [4d\]: b has enough
Macfadyen [?\]: Whites problem in this game is that he made 20 eyes in the upper left area - that is overconcentration
]
;W[oi]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This looks like an attempt to cut off the k11 stones
Macfadyen [?\]: And it makes N9 look like a very clever move
Macfadyen [?\]: O11 is the obvious reply
Macfadyen [?\]: But Q11 protects the side better
StrangerGo [6d\]: I like O12 ^^
Macfadyen [?\]: Very hard to cut those centre stones off when J14 nearly works
]
;B[ni]
;W[nj]
;B[oj]
;W[pi]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: Bruno (B) sub 10min
Macfadyen [?\]: I want to push at Q10 here
Macfadyen [?\]: but n10 is good enough
]
;B[pj]C[Macfadyen [?\]: He agrees
]
;W[mi]
;B[nh]
;W[mh]LB[ng:B][ph:D][qi:F][lj:C][mj:A][nk:E]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White will get somethong here
vegmandu [3d\]: it seems  at most he gets teh r12 stone.
Macfadyen [?\]: like this
]
;B[mj]
;W[ng]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Now, P13 is a big side
Macfadyen [?\]: or M10 aims to kill at L9
]
;B[lj]
;W[ph]C[Macfadyen [?\]: r11 is big enough
Macfadyen [?\]: or is it?
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes, im pretty sure r11 and  o9 will do
]
;B[qi]
;W[og]
;B[nk]C[Macfadyen [?\]: So is Bruno
]
;W[qg]
;B[hj]
;W[hk]C[Macfadyen [?\]: He is usually pretty safe at endgames
Macfadyen [?\]: Black reduces the left side while glaring at the centre group
]
;B[gk]C[Macfadyen [?\]: S13 is big
]
;W[ik]C[Macfadyen [?\]: because almost sente for White
]
;B[ek]C[Macfadyen [?\]: H8 threatens the centre group
]
;W[gj]
;B[fj]
;W[hi]C[Macfadyen [?\]: C10 is big but s13 is bigger
]
;B[cj]
;W[el]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White has a squeeze
]
;B[gl]
;W[dj]
;B[dk]
;W[ck]
;B[di]
;W[ei]
;B[ej]
;W[bj]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Thats only 8 points in gote
houteiron [4d\]: Back to s13 then?
]
;B[dj]
;W[rh]
;B[ri]
;W[si]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White tries to stretch things
Macfadyen [?\]: S10 is the simple answer
]
;B[rg]
;W[sg]
;B[sh]
;W[fl]
;B[fk]
;W[rh]C[Macfadyen [?\]: O17 is small but double sente, therefore urgent
]
;B[fs]
;W[es]
;B[cs]
;W[gp]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Ho is aiming for maximum confusion
houteiron [4d\]: How's Bruno's remaining time looking?
]
;B[hp]
;W[gs]
;B[sh]
;W[gm]
;B[hl]
;W[rh]C[Macfadyen [?\]: thats up to date
Penfold [?\]: There is a lot of glare on the clock
Penfold [?\]: but someone in chat just said 3 minutes
houteiron [4d\]: Okay, thanks
]
;B[rf]C[Macfadyen [?\]: looks like a bad ko threat - makes the ko smaller
Macfadyen [?\]: White wondering about T10 now?
Macfadyen [?\]: He has good ko threats at E19, N4, and a big one at j8
]
;W[qf]
;B[sh]
;W[ps]
;B[qs]
;W[rh]
;B[sj]
;W[sf]
;B[sh]
;W[fo]
;B[gn]
;W[si]
;B[qj]
;W[fm]
;B[fn]
;W[pa]C[Macfadyen [?\]: he cant be serious
]
;B[pb]
;W[ma]C[Macfadyen [?\]: B4 and F11 are big
]
;B[qa]
;W[nc]
;B[ob]C[Macfadyen [?\]: maybe white stole a point there
Macfadyen [?\]: l14 looks quite big, but i find those centre points hard to count
Macfadyen [?\]: B4 is 6 points
Macfadyen [?\]: L13 is about 4 in Blacks sente but there are issues about the k10 group needing a move
]
;W[om]
;B[pm]
;W[kg]
;B[jf]
;W[kf]
;B[ie]
;W[bp]
;B[bq]
;W[ao]
;B[ke]
;W[le]
;B[gq]
;W[fp]
;B[lh]
;W[lg]
;B[ni]
;W[nh]
;B[sh]
;W[or]
;B[qr]
;W[si]
;B[fi]
;W[ml]
;B[sh]
;W[bs]
;B[as]
;W[si]
;B[lk]
;W[kk]
;B[sh]
;W[il]
;B[hm]
;W[si]
;B[aq]
;W[ol]
;B[ok]
;W[sh]
;B[da]
;W[ca]
;B[ea]
;W[ap]
;B[ia]
;W[ja]
;B[rd]
;W[rj]
;B[rk]
;W[rc]
;B[na]
;W[la]
;B[rd]
;W[sk]
;B[sl]
;W[rc]
;B[lc]
;W[ld]
;B[rd]
;W[mp]
;B[nq]
;W[rc]
;B[gi]
;W[rd]
;B[hj]
;W[hh]
;B[je]
;W[gj]
;B[nj]
;W[hj]
;B[jg]
;W[ih]
;B[jh]
;W[ig]
;B[hf]
;W[fr]
;B[nl]
;W[hg]
;B[fh]
;W[he]
;B[if]
;W[gh]
;B[kh]
;W[oc]
;B[eo]
;W[ep])
(;B[jd]
;W[id]
;B[he]
;W[jf]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Ogosh. White has backed down
]))
(;B[be]
;W[bc]
;B[ac]
;W[ae]
;B[cc]
;W[ge]
;B[fc]
;W[gf]
;B[fd]
;W[bc]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: well..
Macfadyen [?\]: Ive put them in, but im not sure the clone will like it
]
;B[lo]
;W[ad]
;B[mo]
;W[jm]
;B[in]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White played an extra threat.
Macfadyen [?\]: Promising to ignore the next one and skilfully stealing blacks F16 eye
Macfadyen [?\]: Now we seee wht sort of ko threat that was
Macfadyen [?\]: and wonder whether F16 can live if ttacked
StrangerGo [6d\]: looks like pain
miao [5d\]: super hard to win for black now
Penfold [?\]: If you pass twice that would count as a seperate variation.
Macfadyen [?\]: White has only about 60 points with komi
miao [5d\]: black has 50?
StrangerGo [6d\]: as opposed tp blacks massive territory :P
Macfadyen [?\]: White has successfully lived
StrangerGo [6d\]: how 50 for black?
Macfadyen [?\]: No he hasnt, hes just sacrifived the edge stones 
]
;W[ln]
;B[no]
;W[oo]
;B[on]
;W[nn]
;B[op]C[miao [5d\]: 50 is a bit generous maybe
miao [5d\]: huh
miao [5d\]: i am not convinced of this..
StrangerGo [6d\]: well - ok maybe now 50 :P
]
;W[hc]C[miao [5d\]: h17 now?
]
;B[li]
;W[kj]
;B[ki]
;W[ij]C[miao [5d\]: they are playing super fast o.o
StrangerGo [6d\]: no
StrangerGo [6d\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSsOFeEtdGM
StrangerGo [6d\]: normal play, just speedy scribe-catchup ;)
miao [5d\]: :)
]))
(;B[de]
;W[ef]
;B[eb]
;W[fc]
;B[fb]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: I mean...
StrangerGo [6d\]: yeah, but no ^^
]
;W[gb]
;B[gc]
;W[gd]
(;B[eg]
;W[ff]
;B[fh])
(;B[ge]
;W[hd]
;B[eg]
;W[ff]
;B[fh]C[Macfadyen [?\]: big exchange
]))
(;B[ff]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This is really the same as E14.
]
;W[de]
;B[gd]C[Macfadyen [?\]: But no, , Bruno has found  way to punish White for not playing G16 early
Macfadyen [?\]: Black may yet get to separate off the p16 stones
]))
(;B[hq]
;W[hr]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: deciding if just N2 or maybe fancier with G2?
]
;B[gr]
;W[gq]
;B[hs]
;W[hp]
;B[is]
;W[hq]C[houteiron [4d\]: Hello, what game is this?
]
;B[mr]
;W[nr]
;B[ms]C[StrangerGo [6d\]: oh, squeeze, hmm
]
(;W[es])
(;W[dq]
;B[cq]
;W[eq]
;B[br]
;W[gs]
;B[fs]
;W[es]
;B[cs]
;W[fr]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Looks like white gets eyes this way
])))
(;W[kr]
;B[jr]
;W[jq]
;B[lr]
;W[kp]
;B[lq]
;W[ir]
;B[ge]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Something like this.
])
(;W[nm]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Fun
segev [1d\]: may be better than my idea of m11 lol
Penfold [?\]: I see, white does like a stretched position!
Macfadyen [?\]: Hmm Yesterdays game looked  like Mr Ho is seriously allergic to playing endgames. 
Macfadyen [?\]: This is more like someone trying to freeze his opponents big territory into something not too big but countable, so he can judge how much to go for on the other side
Macfadyen [?\]: Black has played Q8
Macfadyen [?\]: and got O4 answer
Macfadyen [?\]: Im not sure how or when these stones arrive in our cloned game
]))
(;W[rc]
;B[rb]
;W[nc]
;B[mc]
;W[ob]
;B[oc]
;W[nd]
;B[pb]
;W[mb]
;B[oa]
;W[lc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White can settle the corner like this  
segev [1d\]: it seem to me like wrong direction :/
]))
(;B[dr]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This Black replu
StrangerGo [6d\]: R12 seemed very slightly early but all just preferences so far ^^
Macfadyen [?\]: reply is very obedient
StrangerGo [6d\]: yeah :'D
StrangerGo [6d\]: I'd expect more counterplay
Macfadyen [?\]: White tries to punish Blacks shape immediately. This is starting to ook like the old (500 year) Chinese games, where players are obsessed with invading even the smallest territory
Macfadyen [?\]: White has played C2, not sure why not showing
StrangerGo [6d\]: ?
StrangerGo [6d\]: ah lol
]))
