(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]TM[11100]
PW[Bruno Poltronieri]PB[Ho Yeung Woo]WR[4d]BR[5d]DT[2023-08-28]EV[British Go Championship]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Resign]
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;W[dd]
;B[dp]
;W[pd]
;B[cc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This is the third, and deciding game from this years British championship
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;W[dc]
;B[cd]
;W[de]C[Macfadyen [?\]: So far, same as the first game
toad [9k?\]: Fairly instant 3-3 invasions is this from AI?
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;B[cf]C[Macfadyen [?\]: The game record relay from the go centre is not up yet, so I am putting the moves in from the youtube video stream by hand
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;W[nq]
;B[bg]
;W[qn]
;B[pn]
;W[pm]
;B[on]
;W[qp]
;B[qq]
;W[qo]
;B[pq]
;W[kq]
;B[pk]
;W[om]
;B[lp]
;W[lq]
;B[np]
;W[ql]
;B[mp]
;W[or]
;B[qk]
;W[qg]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Still the same as the first game
Macfadyen [?\]: But R13 is new
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;B[nm]
;W[ol]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White played R13 at N7 before. This looked very slow, nd he got behind on development
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;B[ph]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Also interesting psychology. The first game involved two decisive fights, both in the top right area. 
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;W[pg]
;B[nh]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Black is looking to play s8 and steal whites eyes
Macfadyen [?\]: He is also making shape so that White s9 will not attack the black stones too much, otherwise white can live in sente
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;W[nl]
;B[mm]C[Macfadyen [?\]: White O8 effectively gives up any idea of attacking Black below
Macfadyen [?\]: This means that Black j3 is more of a threat to White
Macfadyen [?\]: White has several ways: 
Macfadyen [?\]: live immediately with s9,s7
Macfadyen [?\]: Play S11 and see how Black responds. This will steal Blacks eyes and make running away around n10 more aggressive
Macfadyen [?\]: Play O10 quietly (This would be typical Bruno). Black will probably reply at r12 planning to invade the top right later
Macfadyen [?\]: Play P10 to attack Blacks connection
toad [9k?\]: Had n8 m8 on video
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;W[ml]
;B[ll]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Sorry, I forgot Iwas doing the moves as well
Macfadyen [?\]: I dont understand what White gained by that exchange
domie [2d?\]: hi there, is it the final round ?
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes, the decider
domie [2d?\]: Ok thx
Macfadyen [?\]: In game 1, Ho won all the fights, but Bruno missed a sharp move which could have turned it
Macfadyen [?\]: In game 2, Ho started all the fights, but lost out by making a huge ko exchange and then failing to kill the group he wanted
Macfadyen [?\]: Here Bruno is in danger of spending a lot of moves making a very small territory
toad [9k?\]: had a few moves (sorry to have to mention it)
Macfadyen [?\]: Both sides have to settle their shape on the right, getting first play around J3 is very important
toad [9k?\]: looks like cut at m7
Macfadyen [?\]: Getting K17 first is also big but less urgent
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;W[lm]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Ho ho, Bruno has started the first serious fight - good mental attitude
domie [2d?\]: I was about to write the cut at M7 was bad lol
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;B[kl]C[Nyanjilla [-\]: ^_^
Simplet [3d\]: )
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;W[ln]
;B[mn]
;W[mo]
;B[nn]C[Macfadyen [?\]: N6 looks like bad shape, but he needs to fill Whites liberty so as to stop K5 from being a good move
unepatate [4d\]: yeah its too bad w cant play it
Macfadyen [?\]: Now k5 gets captured at L6
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;W[jm]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Ho Ho, hes going for the jugglr
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;B[kp]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Both sides would be wise to know exactly how the White group at the bottom makes eyes
domie [2d?\]: exactly what I was wondering
Macfadyen [?\]: Black would like at least to get q2 in sente, so he doesnt need to defend the group against s2
unepatate [4d\]: w played k5 next it seem really hard for him
Macfadyen [?\]: White hopes K5, then k4, j2 and Black still has to worry about eyes (white has q5 sente enytime so two eyes in the middle cant be done)
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;W[jo]C[toad [9k?\]: had k4
bliviu [2d\]: who's playing?
Macfadyen [?\]: White is Bruno Poltronieri, Black is Ho Woo
bliviu [2d\]: thx
domie [2d?\]: Bruno was Italian ?
Macfadyen [?\]: Bruno's parents are French and Italian. He speaks all languages, but lived in England for 10 years or more
Macfadyen [?\]: I guesw Woo is looking at playing k3 to start a capturing race
imback001: k3 k2 no?
Macfadyen [?\]: Otherwise why waste time not playing K4
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;B[jp]
;W[ir]
;B[iq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: My bad - My youtube had frozen - not a slow move
Trevoke [?\]: I was gonna ask :p
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;W[jr]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Now I expect black s8, and try to chase two groups into the same area
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;B[mj]C[Macfadyen [?\]: He has a more direct idea
Trevoke [?\]: It is called the surrounding game after all
toad [9k?\]: I think youtube live tends to stop if it loses focus for more than x secs
domie [2d?\]: enclosing W group is fine, isn'it ?
unepatate [4d\]: I thought about this at first too but I prefer s I think
unepatate [4d\]: s8*
domie [2d?\]: and that make all B stones around stronger
Macfadyen [?\]: Yes. First thing is to know what shape results when White lives on the side
Macfadyen [?\]: Next is to plan the attack on the lower white group.
Macfadyen [?\]: Classically, one weak group will live
Macfadyen [?\]: Now White has a  weakness at m9 to aim at, and forcing moves around h5
Macfadyen [?\]: So his lower group is not so easy to kill
Trevoke [?\]: With B S8, wouldn't W have a much easier way to break out into the center and pressure L8 ?
Trevoke [?\]: (that is, with B S8 and without N10)
Macfadyen [?\]: No pressure on L8. If Black s8 + s10 white must play around N10, then its Blacks turn, and he gets first move  to run with good shape from M8
Macfadyen [?\]: Now if White makes eyes he can lean as hard as he likes on the m8 stones pushing from his weak side
unepatate [4d\]: it would've been an easy fight for him
Macfadyen [?\]: Also, theres a 10 point territory difference between Black and White s8
Trevoke [?\]: Okay then forgive my complete innocence here but if B S8 why would W respond locally? If I were W and I saw B S8 I would _instantly_ move towards the center, e.g. N10 (or in my case because I'm suicidally aggressive I might play W P11)
unepatate [4d\]: s8 s7 s10 n10 
unepatate [4d\]: this would probably happen
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;W[oj]C[Trevoke [?\]: No, I understand that s8+s10 means W played S7 but ... I guess maybe this is just one of those honte sequences you should play anyway?
unepatate [4d\]: this way w isnt alive locally
Macfadyen [?\]: White has decided to make Black show how  his stones connect
unepatate [4d\]: so he end up with 2 weak groups
unepatate [4d\]: also with n10 b's shape is still pretty thin
Macfadyen [?\]: This could backfire badly.
Macfadyen [?\]: Black has hit the spot
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;B[qh]LB[og:C][oh:A][oi:B][pi:D][rj:F][rk:E][rm:G]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This point is huge, aiming at invading s15 later.
Macfadyen [?\]: Probably it takes 10 points off the territory count for the top right corner
Macfadyen [?\]: And White still needs to protect his group
Macfadyen [?\]: Perhps White cannget away with s12 now, creating enough weaknesses somha cant be killed
Macfadyen [?\]: P12 might also work for White
Macfadyen [?\]: Whites problem here is that he might get to escape around n11, or get to capturev the two r9 stones, but neither would score many points. So exchanging for black r15 could be a loss
Macfadyen [?\]: Id probably settle for playing P12 and then scrambling eyes somehow
Macfadyen [?\]: like this
Macfadyen [?\]: Black cant answer A at C
Macfadyen [?\]: If White can manage life in sente he has G3, which is very big and forces Black to run in  a pointless direction
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;W[nj]C[unepatate [4d\]: this feel really bad
unepatate [4d\]: maybe he want  n11 p12 
Macfadyen [?\]: This is slow. It only works well if Black keeps trying to kill.
Macfadyen [?\]: Black P13 now takes a lovely big point
unepatate [4d\]: b can just p13 maybe ?
Macfadyen [?\]: Exactly. He needs to stop P12
Macfadyen [?\]: White should have seized p12 straight away, get the big point for the upper side
Macfadyen [?\]: Too late for Black s8, Whiteb would P12
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;B[og]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Life and death precision is what we expect from Ho
Macfadyen [?\]: If White tries S13, Black can reply s10 and force n11 to escape
Macfadyen [?\]: letting black settle the side group by capturing q3 would hurt
unepatate [4d\]: w will probably play n11 I think
flogo [-\]: shape are disaster
unepatate [4d\]: but he must really regret his last 2 moves
Macfadyen [?\]: I think White has to do s12 or s13 to keep the game balanced
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;W[io]
;B[hq]C[Macfadyen [?\]: That exchange cost a lot of points
Macfadyen [?\]: I suppose hell play k8 next, and try to get strong in the centre
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;W[mi]C[Macfadyen [?\]: But no. He has another plan
unepatate [4d\]: j5 seem unnecessary
Macfadyen [?\]: Black can now play r15, pretending go is a game of territorynfor a bit
unepatate [4d\]: lol
Macfadyen [?\]: Power in the centre is really important in this game. 
Macfadyen [?\]: It affects the probability that the left side becomes Black, and that the top side becomes White
KA0S [4d?\]: Which one is which? Did they nigiri for colors or were those given to them?
Macfadyen [?\]: P13 was just too big to allow
Macfadyen [?\]: The lower right Black group can ony be killed by White starting at M5, If Black plays first he can live  with Q2
Macfadyen [?\]: Because Q1 follow up threatens O2
Macfadyen [?\]: Black is having a long think this time. I can see his fingers moving on the video so it hasnt frozen
Macfadyen [?\]: Atually the tiimes are 26 minutes Ho, 60 mins Bruno
Macfadyen [?\]: quite a contrast
Macfadyen [?\]: Ho has Black. Nigiri only fo the first game
KA0S [4d?\]: Thanks
plasss: who is ho
Trevoke [?\]: If I read the screen correctly, Ho has 83 minutes at the moment
Trevoke [?\]: There's a glare on the hour section of the clock but I think that's a 1
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;B[go]C[Macfadyen [?\]: yup, 1 hour
unepatate [4d\]: oh right I missed it too 
Trevoke [?\]: No, I mean, Black has 83 minutes and W has 59 minutes
Trevoke [?\]: Instead of 26 vs 60
Trevoke [?\]: Unless you do round down 25 minutes, in which case my apologies for not understanding you
Macfadyen [?\]: This is a good attacking point for Black
Macfadyen [?\]: Better, I think, than anything he had if White had omitted J5
unepatate [4d\]: I dont know wouldnt k8 be better to attack ? (disregarding that r15 was probably bigger
Macfadyen [?\]: White K10 nearly works. He can try G6 here - Black will not want to lose his cutting stones
Macfadyen [?\]: Simpler is K8, forcing Black out
Macfadyen [?\]: Perhaps H8?
Macfadyen [?\]: hard to see a good route to safety
unepatate [4d\]: j9  maybe ?
Macfadyen [?\]: Black is trying to build the left side
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;W[jl]
;B[kj]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Back to speedy ho
Macfadyen [?\]: Now maybe G8?
Macfadyen [?\]: White has to be careful not to get too close to the bottom left corner
Macfadyen [?\]: So that his invasion there is worth a whole move
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;W[lj]
;B[jk]C[Macfadyen [?\]: OK so now White isndefinitely alive on the right
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;W[ik]C[Trevoke [?\]: I am terrified at the fact that the past five moves are the moves I would have played because I'm ... Not a good player :p So I think I may be ill
ios: who are the players ?
Trevoke [?\]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiqhHW6Wdyg
Nyanjilla [-\]: or a genius, Trevije
Nyanjilla [-\]: Trevoke
Trevoke [?\]: If I were a genius I wouldn't be 8k :p
ios: ty
Nyanjilla [-\]: you haven't realised your potential yet
Macfadyen [?\]: J9 is a bit dangerous because Black can cut at j8 if his centre stones get spare liberties
Trevoke [?\]: Well, thank you for the vote of confidence
Macfadyen [?\]: This is all getting a bit busy. Perhaps safer for Black to have played r15 when things werenot so hot
Macfadyen [?\]: cause now White s12 is looking like an attack
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;B[ki]C[Trevoke [?\]: Ah, the end of the genius theory, I would have B J10 :p
unepatate [4d\]: j10 would've been normal 
unepatate [4d\]: b want to keep the cut
Macfadyen [?\]: j10 would have been a classic case of the sente move that ends in gote
unepatate [4d\]:  here k9 j9 seem like a bad exchange 
Macfadyen [?\]: Here Black will always have to sort his liberties out by playing L11. much best do it first, then White has to defend
Macfadyen [?\]: If White wants to stop j8 cut, then capture n9 is best
unepatate [4d\]:  w may want to just sacrifice m6 later  to prevent the cut 
Macfadyen [?\]: Flat battery on my youtube laptop. Can anyone watching shout the moves for a few minutes
Trevoke [?\]: W H8 now
Trevoke [?\]: Literally just happened as you were typing that message
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;W[hl]C[Trevoke [?\]: Time - B 80 minutes, W 47 minutes
Macfadyen [?\]: I still want Black to play r15, but I expect he will try something like G17
Trevoke [?\]: B h17 
Trevoke [?\]: Close
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;B[hc]C[Trevoke [?\]: I would have gone the wrong direction, I guess - my thought for B would have been to start with E13
Trevoke [?\]: But I suppose it's bad to help D17 build a connection to Q16
unepatate [4d\]: e13 w would just extend on the side
plasss: how strong are the players?
Macfadyen [?\]: E13 looks like a try for the ntire left side.
unepatate [4d\]: and live
Macfadyen [?\]: entire
Trevoke [?\]: It does look like a try for the entire left side, but I would be trying to surround D15 indirectly. It's probably crude, inexpect, and ineffective :p
Trevoke [?\]: *inexpert
Macfadyen [?\]: Black only needs the left to be bigger than Whites top, and at the moment the top may not even be white
Trevoke [?\]: That makes a lot of sense
unepatate [4d\]: w n12 or m13 here maybe
Macfadyen [?\]: Do you know the proverb that if you have six groups, one of them is dead?
iceweasel [-\]: b may even prefer o16 to r15
Trevoke [?\]: *nod*
Macfadyen [?\]: that says that White cant play c3 without being killed somewhere
Nyanjilla [-\]: ... but your opponent might not know which one it is
Macfadyen [?\]: Thats the point Nyanjilla. You dont have to know. You just keep splitting and attacking and something will fall over
plasss: how strong are the players?
Nyanjilla [-\]: ^_^
unepatate [4d\]: 4 and 5d
unepatate [4d\]: w just played e13 
plasss: ok thanks
Macfadyen [?\]: Ho beat two 7 dans at Leksand this month. Bruno beat Ho yesterday
Trevoke [?\]: W e13 indeed
Trevoke [?\]: Too many monitors, not enough eyeballs
Macfadyen [?\]: I have my picture back, but it freezes intermittently
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;W[eg]C[Trevoke [?\]: B o17 
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;B[nc]C[Trevoke [?\]: So B has ... 5.5 groups?
Trevoke [?\]: I guess technically it's 4 groups and two light stones?
unepatate [4d\]: h17 and o17 aren't really light
Macfadyen [?\]: I dont think White can win by territory.
unepatate [4d\]: well not yet at least
Trevoke [?\]: But they don't count as one group yet, so I guess it does mean B is getting close to the "one group has breathing problems" proverb
unepatate [4d\]: I would try to attack l11 
Macfadyen [?\]: He should play around L17 and tempt Blackto invade R17, going over the groups allowance
Trevoke [?\]: But then wouldn't W also be over the groups allowance? I mean - then again, that's your point with W not being able to win by territory
unepatate [4d\]: w is behind its a risk he may want to take
Macfadyen [?\]: How about White n12 here, definitely isolating the L10 group?
unepatate [4d\]: its what I would want to play
unepatate [4d\]: q16 q13 may be in danger though
unepatate [4d\]: although its a risk w may need to take 
Macfadyen [?\]: Everything is in danger, thats the point
Trevoke [?\]: Great, now I have Highway to the Danger Zone playing in my head
Nyanjilla [-\]: could be worse
Macfadyen [?\]: I think Black could have played N12 last move. Then s8 becomes sente
idleparty [?\]: W attached O16
Trevoke [?\]: W o16 
Macfadyen [?\]: and everything Black becomes strong
unepatate [4d\]: yeah even instead of h17 too
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;W[nd]C[Trevoke [?\]: B n16
Trevoke [?\]: W O15
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;B[md]
;W[ne]C[Trevoke [?\]: B p17
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;B[oc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: thanks
Trevoke [?\]: B reached out for the move then pulled back, thought for a whole second more, then played it
Macfadyen [?\]: N12 getting more urgent
Trevoke [?\]: np, broadcasting/relaying is a lot of work
toad [9k?\]: are they not stopping for a break?
Trevoke [?\]: No rest for the wicked
Macfadyen [?\]: No, they just play straight through
unepatate [4d\]: o15 o16 dont seem so good w still has a lot of weaknesses and black got stronger at o17
unepatate [4d\]: they may rest on their playing time though ofc
Macfadyen [?\]: I agree. Those stones help Black
Trevoke [?\]: I am going to need to stop providing move relay backup, I gotta start my workday, BUT ... W n12
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;W[mh]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Finally White got to an urgent point first
Macfadyen [?\]: Black r15 is still there
Macfadyen [?\]: But for White, at least he can go after the L11 stones
unepatate [4d\]: b can probably afford to treat l10 somewhat lightly I think
unepatate [4d\]: a move around l16 might hurt though
Macfadyen [?\]: First thing is the two groups in the upper right have to settle
unepatate [4d\]: b p16 
Macfadyen [?\]: Black can come out at n13, but n15 is nasty
Macfadyen [?\]: or he can r15 and contest the eyes and territory in the corner
unepatate [4d\]: yeah b should try to live locally
unepatate [4d\]: b played p16 
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;B[od]C[unepatate [4d\]: w played p14 
Macfadyen [?\]: Ho thinks he has found something
unepatate [4d\]: and b q14 
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;W[of]
;B[pf]C[unepatate [4d\]: o13 r14 maybe
Macfadyen [?\]: Something will die that way
unepatate [4d\]: or not maybe just s13 for b
Macfadyen [?\]: O13 certainly. Then he may have to try P15
unepatate [4d\]: w did o13 
Macfadyen [?\]: White is taking a loss on the side, he absolutely must come out of it with an attack on the L11 stones
unepatate [4d\]: b began to move toward p12 and pulled back
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;W[ng]C[unepatate [4d\]: can b connect he would still be alive there ?
unepatate [4d\]: oh right r14 dont work for w
unepatate [4d\]: I was just hallucilating lol
Macfadyen [?\]: If Black connects, maybe s14 causes trouble. 
unepatate [4d\]: yeah but should be manageable I think
Macfadyen [?\]: Perhaps White has to hope that N13 connect will be a big threat in the  centre
Macfadyen [?\]: Ho has 4 minutes left
unepatate [4d\]: It should be easy enough for black to sacrifice l11 if needed
unepatate [4d\]: he connected
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;B[oh]C[idleparty [?\]: Maybe an hour and 3?
unepatate [4d\]: yes he still have an hour left
Macfadyen [?\]: P15 will keep the corner
unepatate [4d\]: w just played n15 
toad [9k?\]: b getting low on time
Trevoke [?\]: B has one hour and two minutes left
Trevoke [?\]: ... If I read through the glare correctly
idleparty [?\]: The glare is a problem! Better than yesterday, though
Macfadyen [?\]: I think P15 in the only way for white now
Macfadyen [?\]: It means he can answer N13 at M13 and keep up the chance to attack the centre
unepatate [4d\]: they played n15 p15 
unepatate [4d\]: both move seem strange letting w m16 give him a chance
unepatate [4d\]: and he played it
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(;W[me]
;B[oe]
;W[ld]C[unepatate [4d\]: b connected
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;B[mc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Go for broke. Now it is all on the attack in the centre
unepatate [4d\]: m15 o14 happened
unepatate [4d\]: w would want the upper side too I think
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;W[le]
;B[nf]
;W[lc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Time for Black to count (except he doesnt have time)
unepatate [4d\]: h11 maybe for b
unepatate [4d\]: he does have time he has an hour left
unepatate [4d\]: we dont see it well because of the glare 
Macfadyen [?\]: I prefer G13. When defending, always try to find something to attack
Macfadyen [?\]: White needs to find about 50 points somewhere, or 40 in sente and play c3
Macfadyen [?\]: I am assuming q17 cant live, but that M18 will beed an answer in the corner
Macfadyen [?\]: need
unepatate [4d\]: he did play g13 
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;B[gg]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Black L13 needs an answer, and j10 can make an eye
unepatate [4d\]: yes really hard to kill everything
tianlong [4k\]: when i lower ly head or my screeb i seee the time numbers well enough
unepatate [4d\]: and he has to more or less
tianlong [4k\]: *My head or my sceen
unepatate [4d\]: maybe w l13 now
unepatate [4d\]: or j11 
unepatate [4d\]: which he played
Macfadyen [?\]: If white doesnt play g12 or close, then Black can F15 and then escape
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;W[ii]C[Macfadyen [?\]: This is a proper move, but hard tom see it being enough
unepatate [4d\]: b played j13 
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;B[ig]C[unepatate [4d\]: yes it's getting really hard for w
Macfadyen [?\]: looks like h15 or h14
unepatate [4d\]: j15 it is
unepatate [4d\]: j15 h15 j16 happened
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;W[ie]
;B[he]
;W[id]C[Macfadyen [?\]: im only getting stills from youtube, have to keep my finger on the forward button
Macfadyen [?\]: Black should F15 now
unepatate [4d\]: isnt d14 good before f15 ?
unepatate [4d\]: and he did do that
unepatate [4d\]: d14 e14 f15 
unepatate [4d\]: then c18 
Macfadyen [?\]: D14 might get F15
unepatate [4d\]: yeah but b could then push more his lead is that big
Macfadyen [?\]: White  doesnt have to be allowed any top side territory
toad [9k?\]: To Matthew have you tried refresh screen? It might reactivate "Live" or click on that
unepatate [4d\]: d14 e14 f15 c18 b18 e18 
unepatate [4d\]: e15 
unepatate [4d\]: happened
unepatate [4d\]: then w f12 and b f17 
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;W[ef]
;B[fe]
;W[cb]
;B[bb]
;W[eb]
;B[ee]
;W[fh]
;B[fc]
;W[ba]
;B[bc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: All over bar the wailing and gnashing of teeth
toad [9k?\]: pity no sound on we might enjoy
unepatate [4d\]: w resigned
toad [9k?\]: thanks for commentary
toad [9k?\]: love to hear what players are saying
Macfadyen [?\]: Bruno has resigned
Macfadyen [?\]: Ho seems to think that n15 at r14 was good for White
idleparty [?\]: Thank you for the commentary!
farfrom [2k\]: Thanks for the relay and analysis!
Macfadyen [?\]: Thanks to the players for entertaining us all
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(;W[qf]
;B[pe]
;W[qe]
;B[oe]
;W[nf]C[unepatate [4d\]: thanks a lot macfayden
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;B[qc]
;W[rc]C[unepatate [4d\]: b would have to s13 
unepatate [4d\]: I think
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(;B[rb]C[unepatate [4d\]: oh they stopped the stream its a bit of a pity
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;W[rh]
;B[ri]
;W[rg]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Heres Ho's suggestion:
])
(;B[rg]
;W[rf]
;B[rh]C[unepatate [4d\]: n13 would still hurt 
]
;W[qb]
;B[mg]C[unepatate [4d\]: or maybe w would just let o14 die
unepatate [4d\]: to attack l10 
Macfadyen [?\]: not sure about thiis cut. Still looks hard for White
unepatate [4d\]: m13 n14 m14 n15 k12 
unepatate [4d\]: something like that maybe
Macfadyen [?\]: So, a new British Champion. Well done Ho
]))
(;W[oe]
;B[qf]
;W[pe]C[tianlong [4k\]: thx for relay and insight
Macfadyen [?\]: This was another way
unepatate [4d\]: s11 would work for w if b tenuki ?
]
;B[mg]C[Macfadyen [?\]: this doesnt work
]
;W[lg]
;B[mf]
;W[me]
;B[lf]
;W[ld]
;B[mc]
;W[kf]
;B[kg]
;W[le]
;B[lh]
;W[nf]
;B[lg]
;W[lc]C[Macfadyen [?\]: Only as andgame. White probably needs S13 and squeeze to be alive in sente
Macfadyen [?\]: My tea time
Macfadyen [?\]: Bye all
unepatate [4d\]: bye and thanks again
]))
